B16 upgrade, who can help me?!!

[Rivic]

ok, i have a JDM b16a, exhaust intake otherwise stock and need more grunt, spoke to a bloke from TODA got a price of 2.5K for a set of cams comp etc thought that was way to steep and out of my budget, so i found these on ebay along with cam gears.. wondering if something liek this is anygood?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=024&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=370073511049&rd=1

now i want to kno is there someone i can talk to about wot i want to do as i was thinking of doing final drive, flywheel, clutch etc..

wot i need to get if doing a cam or other upgrades like valve springs or wot type of cam,
someone who's done a bit of work or know's wot there on about when modding honda engines etc?..

[dsp26]

too bad i deleted all my bookmarked research on these as i was going to get them...

bottom line is DO NOT get them.. regardless how well you baby your car during run in these cams will literally fall flat in performance and physically as they eat away at your rocker covers...

no shit seriously after extensive research on this not one person salvaged their rockers .

and this is through the last 4yrs of people buying these... the chromoly was just TOO hard

their replicas of Skunk2 Stage 2s... you may as well get the Blox B replicas as their cheaper but their also chill cast like the skunks and oem cores

[Rivic]

other wise my only option is forking out near 2k for spoon, buddy club, toda etc :(

[Benson]

ITR cams, ITR manifold and t/b, ECU + tune will yield around 105-110kw

[dsp26]

other wise my only option is forking out near 2k for spoon, buddy club, toda etc :(

since your already looking on eBay you'd realise that you can get all those cams for under $800 delivered to Aus... don't forget to factor in valve springs + new valve stem seals as an absolute minimum.. get flat face valves if funds allow...

heres a start on the valvetrain.. quoted US$190 for delivery to Aus....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Performance-Valve-Train-Honda-Acura-B16-18-H22-H23-GSR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33621QQihZ007QQitem Z8074283170

[dsp26]

ITR cams, ITR manifold and t/b, ECU + tune will yield around 105-110kw

serious?? manifold + TB worth that much? i'm hoping for 110wkw after tune without those 2 parts...

[Benson]

The guy from Toda quoted you that price, but have you factor in other things to make the combo work? Sure you can put a set of cams in, but you need to account for labour, aftermarket ecu + tune, headers, intake and etc

[Benson]

serious?? manifold + TB worth that much? i'm hoping for 110wkw after tune without those 2 parts...

b16a2 motor with ITR cams, ITR manifold + t/b, long ram intake, ITR header, crome ecu + tune 108kw

[dsp26]

The guy from Toda quoted you that price, but have you factor in other things to make the combo work? Sure you can put a set of cams in, but you need to account for labour, aftermarket ecu + tune, headers, intake and etc

oh yeah, he probably included the labour cost in which case that price is right Rivic...

if your serious about the performance then you gotta cough the cash...

[Limbo]

modding cars is not a cheap thing especailly if you actually wanna make power and not bling

[Limbo]

If you wanna make a bit more power start with the basics.
Intake, exhaust, clutch & lightened flywheel.

Might also want some suspension upgrades & braking improvement, tyres

Then once you've seen what you've got and want more go;
CAMS, CAM gears, P&P, ECU.

Then you gotta make a choice, either ALLMOTOR or BOOST & your wallet starts to get a hole in it

[dsp26]

If you wanna make a bit more power start with the basics.
Intake, exhaust, clutch & lightened flywheel.

Might also want some suspension upgrades & braking improvement, tyres

Then once you've seen what you've got and want more go;
CAMS, CAM gears, P&P, ECU.

Then you gotta make a choice, either ALLMOTOR or BOOST & your wallet starts to get a hole in it
:thumbsup: exact order i went through minus brakes.. wanted to see if it was justified or if better pads + rotor was adequate

[Limbo]

hehe, yeah i did it abit different also, only did the brakes last, but i learnt after boosting that my braking power was not sufficient ;).

My advise on brakes is try to always have better braking that what you require.
For most applications ITR rotors & calipers with upgraded pad, certainly do the trick.

If you need more than that you'll already know what to buy

[dsp26]

hehe, yeah i did it abit different also, only did the brakes last, but i learnt after boosting that my braking power was not sufficient ;).

My advise on brakes is try to always have better braking that what you require.
For most applications ITR rotors & calipers with upgraded pad, certainly do the trick.

If you need more than that you'll already know what to buy

should be the standard mentality:thumbsup:

same with tyres though... see so many heavily modified cars on the road with the shittest cheapest tyres money can buy + maybe some king springs super lows... way to go:thumbdwn:

[Rivic]

thanx for all thi info guys much appreciated, ok..
i feel from wot's been said cam's/final gear/flywheel is my next option, ive done exhaust, done intake, coilovers, tyres wheels etc so now engine mods..

'dsp26' thnx for that link of the springs on ebay, that along with a set of itr cams (integra vtir b18cams yes?) cam gears and ecu tune would be a good start set up?

now, ive heard ppl talk about changine the final gear (i.e diff?) is a good option to allow to rev out quicker? but wot? where? how?.. someone said the vtir b18 gear is a good option?

also with wot's been said for labour my old mans a mechanic so got all instalation covered..

i'm from hobart so all my stuff has to come from interstate taht's why ive gotta do all this noob reaserch not alot to choose from down here!

[delsol9000rpms]

vtir and ITR are not the same thing... you will want the ITR (integra type r) stuff not the vtir stuff coz your parts are better if not the same as the vtir...

ITR cams, 4.9 final drive, light flywheel,, tuned computer... you will be very happy with the outcome of that...

the quicker final drive ratio will allow you to accelerate much quicker.. however yu will have less actuall topspeed which is useless and dangerous anyway.... dnt mistake top speed for top end....

[Limbo]

Final Drive depends on what you want the car for.

In NA, yes it helps with your power band, but its not good for economy.

With Boost, you don't bother getting a shorter FD, you generally want fairly long FD.

[dsp26]

Final Drive depends on what you want the car for.

In NA, yes it helps with your power band, but its not good for economy.

With Boost, you don't bother getting a shorter FD, you generally want fairly long FD.

using the various calculators around based on my Y21 gearbox.. it was sort of negligible but the 4.7 would be a good balance.

4.4 - 100km/5th/~3200rpm
4.7 - 100km/5th/~3700rpm
4.9 - 100km/5th/~4100rpm


true about boost though... and it makes me wonder why the 96spec jdm dc2r still used the 4.4fd....

[fatboyz39]

4.9 FD for b16a.

[dsp26]

4.9 FD for b16a.

good cams + 4.9fd + light fly = :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: i think :)

[Limbo]

earlier ITR with 4.4 was prob cos they has the FD cast from the b16s.

I still recon boost the little bugger and it will act better ;)

[Rivic]

the final drive situation doesn't bother me that much the cars only drivin on weekends not a huge amount of highway runs where im gonna be sittin constantly on 100+km/h..

so the final drive i should be looking at either 4.7 or 4.9 come from teg itr?
and say itr cams, getting these from wreckers on the mainland or where should i shop?

dsp26, say i went with the itr cams is it a good idea to get a valtrain set up like u posted or cause the cams are from its brother everyhitng should be fine to put straight in?..
ive read of replacing on exhaust or could have been intake springs? only doing one or the other, im not sure which one now tho..

[dsp26]

you gotta upgrade to full ITR springs as a bare minimum...

but in all honesty, if you get all that valvetrain you may as well get better cams considering the going rate for 2nd hand ones anyway, wreckers would charge you more anyway versus 2nd hand from here...
head off job anyway unless your mech has that buddy club valve spring remover... good excuse to mill the head and get thinner head gasket for more compression... and the flat face valves included in that kit adds 0.3:1CR


Compression = Boost for NA cars...

[Rivic]

ok so keep an eye out for some itr cams and grab them, itr fd is that the 4.9? anyone know wot FD's in the vtir?
when it comes to the computer wot do i have to do to get it tuned? take it to a dyno shop and its tuned there like that? or new comp?

[dsp26]

ok so keep an eye out for some itr cams and grab them, itr fd is that the 4.9? anyone know wot FD's in the vtir?
when it comes to the computer wot do i have to do to get it tuned? take it to a dyno shop and its tuned there like that? or new comp?

- i'm actually saying for the price of 2nd hand ITR cams, get some aftermarket ones instead unless you can get em for $300 or less
- itr fd is 4.7
- vtir fd is 4.4

In terms of computer I suggest installing this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA-92-95-ECU-CHIP-CHIPPING-KIT-VTEC-CIVIC-INTEGRA_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a552Q7c39Q 3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286 Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem170254025992QQitemZ170254025 992

Then get someone to tune you on Crome or Hondata S100

[Rivic]

cheers for that.. so wot is the 4.9 fd out of?
do any traders sell itr cams or gears etc or where should i be looking?

i just found this in sale section to..
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92512

[dsp26]

cheers for that.. so wot is the 4.9 fd out of?
do any traders sell itr cams or gears etc or where should i be looking?

i just found this in sale section to..
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92512

4.9FD is aftermarket... PM grumpy rooster or trader "Motorsport Induction" re 4.9FDs...

as for ITR gear... if your gonna just drop em in and your engine is fine then why not

[Rivic]

wot u reackon about that head the blokes sellin in that link?

[[ricer]]

In terms of computer I suggest installing this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA-92-95-ECU-CHIP-CHIPPING-KIT-VTEC-CIVIC-INTEGRA_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a552Q7c39Q 3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286 Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem170254025992QQitemZ170254025 992


how hard was this to install?

[dsp26]

;1862212']how hard was this to install?

piece of piss with the right equipment

a good solderering iron with fine tip and WICK!!!

it's sooooo hard to get rid of the factory solder in those holes and you need a decent wick or solder vacuum

took ~30mins

DO NOT install any of those mugen/spoon/skunk2/etc chips.. their useless, no peak power gain + massive loss of midrange + less than 300km out of 42l tank due to O2 sensor being switched off.

Best rom I ever had on mine was the JDM B16a p30-j02 rom... dyno was sooo linear, vtec at 5875rpm and redline at 8700rpm