whats the Fastest legal p plater car under 125kw per tonne?

[TanitY]

well im 17 and i live in VIC and damn these new laws i wanted a s2000 so badly but as i heard these new rules came up i cant get it until im like 21 :(

Now im looking for the fastest p plater and i have came up with these 2 cars. DC5r and DC2r i know how much power they output 141 for dc2r and 147 for dc5r but im not too certain about the weight of those cars that's why im here to ask this noob question. How much do they exactly weigh stock? THANKS :)

[EKVTIR-T]

Dc5 1160kg
Dc2 1087kg

[absolutR]

dc2r ftw

dc5r for ghey bo's

[dsp26]

dc2r ftw

dc5r for ghey bo's

don't matter he can't get either R

[Elwood]

It'll be the hottest thing in the Year 12 carpark at school doing burnouts bro!

[cris88]

lollll at skewl they prob only intrested in vt commodoress,,,and shit like that :p

[AE092]

lol 17 - and wants the fastest car. Tell the tree or pole i said hi

[aaronng]

Buy life insurance. Good investment for you.

[CRXer]

stripped out CRX SiR ftw

[kiet88]

TanitY - you come under the new P laws wince you will get your P's after 1 july 07- the 125kw/tonne does not apply to you.

your not allowed to drive v8, v6 supercharges and certain number of v6 vehciles.. your allowed to drive s2K.

http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/node/197

Whereas P-platers who got their P's before 1 july 07 must go under both rules...

[hisoka]

honda ceevic 92 breeze

[mattchuej8]

dc5r for looks, personally.
they look sexy done properly imo. *drools
maintenance wise, it could get hard.
But i dont think that should bother you, since u have a budget big enough for a s2000 lol.

[aaronng]

dc5r for looks, personally.
they look sexy done properly imo. *drools
maintenance wise, it could get hard.
But i dont think that should bother you, since u have a budget big enough for a s2000 lol.
Why would a DC5R be hard for maintenance?

[Mr_will]

TanitY - you come under the new P laws wince you will get your P's after 1 july 07- the 125kw/tonne does not apply to you.

your not allowed to drive v8, v6 supercharges and certain number of v6 vehciles.. your allowed to drive s2K.

http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/node/197

Whereas P-platers who got their P's before 1 july 07 must go under both rules...

remember the bit where he said he lived in victoria? the rules you quote apply to NSW, not VIC.

[I heart the SSS]

lol 17 - and wants the fastest car. Tell the tree or pole i said hi

LOL win.

Or the police officer.

[CB7_OWNER]

too the OP ,, you have no budget??

[EKVTIR-T]

remember the bit where he said he lived in victoria? the rules you quote apply to NSW, not VIC.

lol hmm vic.gov.au is nsw now?

[Chi]

remember the bit where he said he lived in victoria? the rules you quote apply to NSW, not VIC.


The quoted rules you quoted says VIC, not NSW

[Zilli]

do you want to leave the car stock? because if you dont then it doesnt matter really

[Elwood]

Buy Chi's DC5 - i can assure you that it'll make the other kids give you frontages in the canteen line.

[TanitY]

do you want to leave the car stock? because if you dont then it doesnt matter really

yeah ill be leaving the car dead stock, as i would have spent my whole life savings on the car lol leaving no dosh left to do anything.

[TanitY]

too the OP ,, you have no budget??

yeah i got a budget of like 23k'ish

[mattchuej8]

Why would a DC5R be hard for maintenance?

going off my mates experience, with his dc5
it was a b!tch for him to get parts, and it was heaps expensive.
he's around my ages. 18-19. hard u know how it is, study with lil money or study with no money lol. *sigh

[TanitY]

Dc5 1160kg
Dc2 1087kg

damn both cars are illegal :(

DC2 - 130kw per tonne
DC5 - 127kw per tonne

DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNnn well since they are both outta the question what other cars are there worth looking at? a EG Breeze sounds good :thumbsup:

thank you all for helping

[[NAV]]

i kno this is a honda forum... but try the celica out..

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

GTFO NAOOO!!!

LOL Kidding

Celica's=ok

n/a Silvia too much still?

[STiR]

honda ceevic 92 breeze

Hey I'm almost 21 and I'm driving a BREEZE. Quick enough to cause serious damage to an inexperienced driver i must say

[danielj]

damn both cars are illegal :(

DC2 - 130kw per tonne
DC5 - 127kw per tonne

DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNnn well since they are both outta the question what other cars are there worth looking at? a EG Breeze sounds good :thumbsup:

thank you all for helping

the power-to-weight laws don't apply to you..

[guwarkjay888]

the power-to-weight laws don't apply to you..

To be honest buy what you want, the laws on power-to-weight ratio or "legal P plate cars" i believe is bullshit.

My mate who's 19 has a 350Z, he has been dicked a few times, for carbon fibre eyelids and being lowered too low, but not once have they even looked into the whole power-to-weight ratio crap.

I highly doubt that they'd know the kW's of Honda's anyway. Honestly, what they'll be looking for is Holden HSV's and things which they would obviously know is high powered vehicle. A victorian cop wouldn't have a clue how many kW's a DC2R does.

My choice would be a DC2R, if i had a budget of 23K.

[MikeyG]

i got pulled over with my mates dc2r.. and the cop said do u know how much kw is ur honda.. lol i said nah mate dont have a clue.. he goes between 147 @ the fly.. im like tihnking "wtf".. then he says nice atleast its jdm not bling then i was like whoa.... and he was aussie late 20s i think nice guy

[danielj]

To be honest buy what you want, the laws on power-to-weight ratio or "legal P plate cars" i believe is bullshit.

My mate who's 19 has a 350Z, he has been dicked a few times, for carbon fibre eyelids and being lowered too low, but not once have they even looked into the whole power-to-weight ratio crap.

I highly doubt that they'd know the kW's of Honda's anyway. Honestly, what they'll be looking for is Holden HSV's and things which they would obviously know is high powered vehicle. A victorian cop wouldn't have a clue how many kW's a DC2R does.

My choice would be a DC2R, if i had a budget of 23K.

sounds like your having a go at me?? if so then F*** YOU..hahaha nah just messing. i was just letting him know that he CAN drive a type R.

[aowwllan]

lol 17 - and wants the fastest car. Tell the tree or pole i said hi

LOL LOL LOL LOL i cant breathe LAWWWWWWWWWWWWWL!

someone give this guy some rep points!

[Nepolian]

^^ Very harsh trism. I remember a mate of mine losing his license driving a 70's Toyota MKII which he bought for $300. An idiot will be an idiot regardless of what car he's in.

The guy just wants to know which fast car to get? Either car stated is an excellent car. May I suggest a EK VTIR as another option :)

[pattyd89]

Pretty much if you have to spend the next x amount of years paying the s2k off, then it's not worth it. uni is mad fun, coz for the first 6 months, your out MOST nights of the week just getting shit faced. Hence you'll need money for that. I'm a first year student, and i spent like $200-300 a week on big nights. Now I've calmed down considering more money is going into the car now!

[Hans Bond]

under 125kw per tonne? i would suggest to get a standard / luxury dc5 not the dc5r.. their power is 118kw.

[dsp26]

why not motorbike? or corolla sportivo.. from memory they just pass the threshhold coz their heavy as....

[mocchi]

damn both cars are illegal :(

DC2 - 130kw per tonne
DC5 - 127kw per tonne

DAMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNnn well since they are both outta the question what other cars are there worth looking at? a EG Breeze sounds good :thumbsup:

thank you all for helping

how did u get that calculation anyway? inc. u sitting in the car? lol
say ur 200kg heavy.. maybe thatll bring it down to 125kw haha jk

[hisoka]

Hey I'm almost 21 and I'm driving a BREEZE. Quick enough to cause serious damage to an inexperienced driver i must say

nah i agree with you aye~infact my freind got a breeze and it looks the same as my vti~he is very inexperienced and what do you know he actually did crash it~

[hisoka]

if he really wanted to be a dick he coulda jus gone out and bought the first turbo car he saw.

i dont see how thats being a dickhead~

thread owner get whatever car you want~just about driving safe

[trism]

i dont need to act tough. nor am i trying to

he wants the fastest car he is legally aloud.

he is obviously gonna be a dick in it

doesnt have his Ps, doesnt have teh experience of driving alone, or wiht lots of distractions. thge last thing he needs is a fast car

[SiReal]

Guys,

May I kindly remind you all to show restraint if you do not agree with one's opinion. There is no need for swearing and language like that.

As for car, how bout a EJ8 civic for 6.8K ?? hehehe jks jks

[Aza]

my vote goes to swift gti, cheap, do some bolt ons would go ok. then when ur off ur p's u can buy something better without regretting ur account balance :D

no need to invest all this money in a car you know u wont have for too long when ur off your p's

[Ek-4 Chick]

Aza maybe thats why he wants the fastest car he can have on he's P's so he isn't stuck with a slow car when he does get he's full licence.

Maybe he is smarter than trism gives him credit for and doesn't want to loose money on replacing a car after 3 years. Maybe he wants a decent car that he can keep for a lot longer something that he can drive moderatly while on he's P's. Then unleash some more power later with a few mods.

[TanitY]

dude..you dont even know this guy from a packet of chips u cant jus go shooting ur mouth off, atleast the kids doing his research and trying to get his car within the guidelines, just because he wants a fast car doesnt mean hes going to be driving like he stole it on the streets, maybe he wants a daily but can also take it on track once in a awhile owning a fast car doesnt mean ur gona be pushing it to its limits 24/7 if he really wanted to be a dick he coulda jus gone out and bought the first turbo car he saw.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[dsp26]

dude..you dont even know this guy from a packet of chips u cant jus go shooting ur mouth off, atleast the kids doing his research and trying to get his car within the guidelines, just because he wants a fast car doesnt mean hes going to be driving like he stole it on the streets, maybe he wants a daily but can also take it on track once in a awhile owning a fast car doesnt mean ur gona be pushing it to its limits 24/7 if he really wanted to be a dick he coulda jus gone out and bought the first turbo car he saw.

great post!! +pq... although you make a good point let's just hope ay...

admittedly we were all p-platers once and went through it so we know the mentality, at the end of the day it's always the later generation that ruins it for the next.. i know i did my part and lost my license from it and learned the hard way.. the key is to 'learn' from it though.. having to catch public transport with the biggest weirdos was more than enough for me over the moral ones :p

even if it is denied it's like a guy saying "i've never jerked off in my life"...

[Vu-Tek]

Good luck on your search TanitY. Just remember, With great power comes great responsibility.:p

[TanitY]

Aza maybe thats why he wants the fastest car he can have on he's P's so he isn't stuck with a slow car when he does get he's full licence.

Maybe he is smarter than trism gives him credit for and doesn't want to loose money on replacing a car after 3 years. Maybe he wants a decent car that he can keep for a lot longer something that he can drive moderatly while on he's P's. Then unleash some more power later with a few mods.

yeah this was exactly my plan i planned on keeping my dream car (s2k) for ages and mod it up crazy when im on my full license for track day events. but it seems my range of selection is going smaller as i have calculated all the cars that i wanted power to weight ratio and they all are illegal (super sad face).

But lets say if i do get a s2k or dc2r or dc5r is it really risky? Would the cops be intelligent enough to spot them as illegal cars? i think its not worth the risk as we only get 3 demerit points and cop a massive fine thus prolonging my time on this damn p plate laws for even longer that would really grind my gears.

and thanks all for sticking up to me :thumbsup::thumbsup: and no thanks to people who think im a hoon dumbass mofo of a driver LOL.

cars that are currently in my interest are ek4, eg6 breeeeeze but i heard the breeze is like finding kryptonite. and the dc5 type s is alright but its even more illegal then the type r lol wth (154kw) and plus its quite expensive..... and also all recommendations don't all have to be honda LOL. but i mainly like honda only so other car then honda is hard to accept anyways :p

[paps02]

get some experience in a shitty car first. get some experience on the road then buy a nice upgrade. dont hit the ground running. its those stupid and dumb attitudes that get kids like me and you killed.

why do you need to drive fast? are you doing track? im guessing not...

[TanitY]

get some experience in a shitty car first. get some experience on the road then buy a nice upgrade. dont hit the ground running. its those stupid and dumb attitudes that get kids like me and you killed.

why do you need to drive fast? are you doing track? im guessing not...

well ive had my learners for a year already and im lucky enough to have a brother that has a dc5r which i drive often. and yes i plan to do tracking cause its the safest and most enjoyable way of driving fassttttttttt as i wouldnt speed on the road unecessarily on the road risking lives of other people and my own. and besides i dont want these cars just for the speediness i want them because they are my favourite cars. if i wanted a car that was just fast i would had just bought a VL TURBO ULEH and act like a dumbS**T!

[hisoka]

lol they made the power to weight law to make sure you cant drive fast car~honestly eg5 ftw lol then b16 it

[dsp26]

well ive had my learners for a year already and im lucky enough to have a brother that has a dc5r which i drive often. and yes i plan to do tracking cause its the safest and most enjoyable way of driving fassttttttttt as i wouldnt speed on the road unecessarily on the road risking lives of other people and my own. and besides i dont want these cars just for the speediness i want them because they are my favourite cars. if i wanted a car that was just fast i would had just bought a VL TURBO ULEH and act like a dumbS**T!

his statement holds really true if you look at it this way:
- you will always wan't the s2k
- you will get a car that you don't really want but will do well enough for what you want it for
- you end up spending cash on it where you won't get your resale value back
- after selling you still can't buy your s2k or after sitting down thinking of your mods... eventually you could have waited to get the s2k.

come on whats 3 years? if you kept saving in that time on top of your current spendings you could afford something better then or better yet, get a 2nd hand s2k for cheap and have yourself a house deposit after you finish uni... my 2c...


at your age i too wanted an S2k and couldn't afford it... bought a gt starlet... ****ed it and lost money on it.. bought a nissan nx, spent on it for track work and was written of by an old lady at a roundabout after a $1500 rebuild with $3k of other parts sitting in my room.. had to sell those at a loss... then i realised.. settle for the closest thing to an s2k which was the crx del sol... i've spent on modding it for track work with my rebuild just finishing and to this day i have shit all savings to show for it and my car will still be worth shitall when i get over it next year... think about it...

heres another one, my old boss had spent well over $80k on his datto project (after adding all the receipts with him).. never got to the drag strip, got over it and stripped the parts for a total of only $20k... he never got the 300c he always wanted...

sure we spend money on cars coz its a HOBBY... but because of that fact.. make sure you spend it on the one you want

[SXC-84K]

his statement holds really true if you look at it this way:
- you will always wan't the s2k
- you will get a car that you don't really want but will do well enough for what you want it for
- you end up spending cash on it where you won't get your resale value back
- after selling you still can't buy your s2k or after sitting down thinking of your mods... eventually you could have waited to get the s2k.

come on whats 3 years? if you kept saving in that time on top of your current spendings you could afford something better then or better yet, get a 2nd hand s2k for cheap and have yourself a house deposit after you finish uni... my 2c...


at your age i too wanted an S2k and couldn't afford it... bought a gt starlet... ****ed it and lost money on it.. bought a nissan nx, spent on it for track work and was written of by an old lady at a roundabout after a $1500 rebuild with $3k of other parts sitting in my room.. had to sell those at a loss... then i realised.. settle for the closest thing to an s2k which was the crx del sol... i've spent on modding it for track work with my rebuild just finishing and to this day i have shit all savings to show for it and my car will still be worth shitall when i get over it next year... think about it...

heres another one, my old boss had spent well over $80k on his datto project (after adding all the receipts with him).. never got to the drag strip, got over it and stripped the parts for a total of only $20k... he never got the 300c he always wanted...

sure we spend money on cars coz its a HOBBY... but because of that fact.. make sure you spend it on the one you want

what he said... so bloody true, especially in my case im just like u LOL trying to sell all my mods atm for my BB6 and saving to get my long awaited sti :D

[i_s2_honda]

125kw : tonne rule was abolished with the new p plate rules.... it is now any turbo or supercharged vehicle... (except cars with a low displacement ie: cappachino) or any vehicle over 3.5L

[totojojo]

buy my jazz. wait for coule of years and then use the reat of money to put a k20a in it. lol

[kiet88]

if u really want the s2k buy it... it not illegal for new p-plate drives to drive as it is not a v8, v6 supercharged or on the list of not allowed vechicles..

like i said in my previous post you are not restricted to the 125kw/tonne rule as you will get your P's after 1 july 07

[paps02]

well ive had my learners for a year already and im lucky enough to have a brother that has a dc5r which i drive often. and yes i plan to do tracking cause its the safest and most enjoyable way of driving fassttttttttt as i wouldnt speed on the road unecessarily on the road risking lives of other people and my own. and besides i dont want these cars just for the speediness i want them because they are my favourite cars. if i wanted a car that was just fast i would had just bought a VL TURBO ULEH and act like a dumbS**T!

but do you understand where im coming from?

[bennjamin]

be nice ok guys. keep the shit to pm.

otherwise infractions will be dealt out. This isnt a place to bitch at each other without actually knowing each other

[Sp00ny]

well ive had my learners for a year already and im lucky enough to have a brother that has a dc5r which i drive often. and yes i plan to do tracking cause its the safest and most enjoyable way of driving fassttttttttt as i wouldnt speed on the road unecessarily on the road risking lives of other people and my own. and besides i dont want these cars just for the speediness i want them because they are my favourite cars. if i wanted a car that was just fast i would had just bought a VL TURBO ULEH and act like a dumbS**T!

Firstly, I apologise if i have gotton the wrong impression...but you didn't state any of this in your first post...you came straight out basically stating you wanted the fastest car for your money with no mention of track work. Your main focus was power, stating power specifications on two models suggested and investigating P/W ratio's...

This gave me the immediant impression you were going to speed or get yourself into situations you don't have enough experience to get out of. Unless your serious about tracking...having a Type R just for the power is useless...unless of course they are your favourite cars...if its the "aura" or just the looks...but honestly...i love type R's but if i was going for looks it wouldnt be an integra lol. Thus i am stating you can't exactly blame people who are suggesting that you could be irresponsible.

Perhaps you should consider doing as some have suggested and getting a "daily" until you can afford the car you actually want.

Important Note: I know someone that bought their car and crashed it three times within 8 months. This guy isnt a bad person, he just had too much confidence...and cannot except his level of driving skill/experience and is too proud to ask for help.

In my opinion get a "daily" that is simple to drive and cheap to maintain..if you get a S2K or a Type R later you will appreciate it more... My old man didnt even like the power of my Stock Engined VTi-R (lol), but i have a very high level of self control ;) I don't really see the point of a fast car/engine mods for the street where the average speed limit is barely over 60km/h.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying if something happens it will necessarily be your fault...once you get your licence you will learn just how awful the majority of drivers are...and how annoying it is to actually care if something happens to your own car.

When i worked at Knox Shopping centre my car got hit twice in the car park...both only scraped paint with no damage...but in the end i still got a respray...It's small irritating things like that...that will piss you off with a decent car.

Perfect Solution: Daily + Dream Car for W/E && Track.

Just my $0.02 xD

[xenonkuraz]

I recommend an R33 GTS-T if you don't mind them...it was my second car and I loved it. Although I did lose my license in it (leading to a chain of unfortunate events) but I still miss it. The stock ptw ratio is legal. Keep it stock. Fast enough anyway!

You can pick up a late model these days for around 10-13k.

Otherwise go for the DC2R. My first car was VTi-R and I loved it. My dream car is the DC2R...it looks beautiful and is a very fast N/A car. Legal...PTW ratio is not dry weight...consider petrol...passengers...sound system...100kg+ easy.

[trism]

eg6 breeeeeze but i heard the breeze is like finding kryptonite.

eg6 is not a breeze.

the breeze is a base model, 1.5 litre non vtec carburetor car.

they are more common here than aids is in africa

the eg6 is/was the top of the range eg model.

b16 vtec motor, all the good shit, australia didnt get them

can only be brought in under personal import, or you might be lucky to find one here. they go for about 13k but

[TanitY]

Firstly, I apologise if i have gotton the wrong impression...but you didn't state any of this in your first post...you came straight out basically stating you wanted the fastest car for your money with no mention of track work. Your main focus was power, stating power specifications on two models suggested and investigating P/W ratio's...

This gave me the immediant impression you were going to speed or get yourself into situations you don't have enough experience to get out of. Unless your serious about tracking...having a Type R just for the power is useless...unless of course they are your favourite cars...if its the "aura" or just the looks...but honestly...i love type R's but if i was going for looks it wouldnt be an integra lol. Thus i am stating you can't exactly blame people who are suggesting that you could be irresponsible.

Perhaps you should consider doing as some have suggested and getting a "daily" until you can afford the car you actually want.

Important Note: I know someone that bought their car and crashed it three times within 8 months. This guy isnt a bad person, he just had too much confidence...and cannot except his level of driving skill/experience and is too proud to ask for help.

In my opinion get a "daily" that is simple to drive and cheap to maintain..if you get a S2K or a Type R later you will appreciate it more... My old man didnt even like the power of my Stock Engined VTi-R (lol), but i have a very high level of self control ;) I don't really see the point of a fast car/engine mods for the street where the average speed limit is barely over 60km/h.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying if something happens it will necessarily be your fault...once you get your licence you will learn just how awful the majority of drivers are...and how annoying it is to actually care if something happens to your own car.

When i worked at Knox Shopping centre my car got hit twice in the car park...both only scraped paint with no damage...but in the end i still got a respray...It's small irritating things like that...that will piss you off with a decent car.

Perfect Solution: Daily + Dream Car for W/E && Track.

Just my $0.02 xD

ah yeah, good advice. i think i should consider buying my s2k/dc2r after vce or something or during uni. too busy studying in vce and apparently first year of uni is great fun :angel: so then thanks all for advice and stuff. but really is the 125kw/tonne rule really abolished? wow... so i could had gotten an s2k/dc2r all this time LOL. decisions decisions.....

keep the car recommendations coming it doesn't necessarily have to be fast ass anymore but i wouldn't mind something that would look nice and fun to drive :angel: for the time being

and sorry about not writing all the things in the first post lol giving you the first impression that im one of those crazy hoon drivers i dont blame ya as i know many of those idiots (most of which has commodores LOL)

my bad!

and r32 gts-t sounds nice but its turbo so its illegal ain't it?


:honda:

[Elwood]

^Just remember that just because you have driven a DC5r before, doesnt mean that you are a professional race car driver. To add on to everyone else's concerns - we are all still learning how to be a better driver, and will never be perfect.. So don't get overconfident on your skills, because despite what you may think, you havn't got any.

If i were you, id get a car to learn on - Like a EG and develop my skills further

[EGJOE]

get a car that hsa potential learn how to drive it then put a k in it later

[TanitY]

^Just remember that just because you have driven a DC5r before, doesnt mean that you are a professional race car driver. To add on to everyone else's concerns - we are all still learning how to be a better driver, and will never be perfect.. So don't get overconfident on your skills, because despite what you may think, you havn't got any.

If i were you, id get a car to learn on - Like a EG and develop my skills further

yeah for sure, i know i'm not a pro driver i was just saying i had a little bit of experience but ill definitely remember that im still a noobcake at driving and have a long long way to go :thumbsup:

and yeah i was thinking of getting a eg5 and put k20 in it later or get s2k .

[Elwood]

Only you know your budget mate, im sure if your responsible you will maintain your s2k very well.

A EG>K20 = time off the road, so if you need your car for a daily always remember!

[whtteg]

Out of curiosity can you afford to have a road/track car being off road after a track bingle while it gets repaired? or the panel costs after a track bingle?

Have you thought with your budget of getting a eg3 dropping a b18c in it just for track and getting a eg5 for on road?

[TanitY]

Out of curiosity can you afford to have a road/track car being off road after a track bingle while it gets repaired? or the panel costs after a track bingle?

Have you thought with your budget of getting a eg3 dropping a b18c in it just for track and getting a eg5 for on road?

i dont think i can afford 2 cars, so yeah i guess not. but just out of curiosity how much would a b16a or b16c or what ever good b series engine LOL, cost for eg3 including labour and everything :confused:

:honda:

[Sp00ny]

ah yeah, good advice. i think i should consider buying my s2k/dc2r after vce or something or during uni. too busy studying in vce and apparently first year of uni is great fun :angel: so then thanks all for advice and stuff. but really is the 125kw/tonne rule really abolished? wow... so i could had gotten an s2k/dc2r all this time LOL. decisions decisions.....

keep the car recommendations coming it doesn't necessarily have to be fast ass anymore but i wouldn't mind something that would look nice and fun to drive :angel: for the time being

and sorry about not writing all the things in the first post lol giving you the first impression that im one of those crazy hoon drivers i dont blame ya as i know many of those idiots (most of which has commodores LOL)

my bad!

and r32 gts-t sounds nice but its turbo so its illegal ain't it?


:honda:


Lol @ commodore drivers.

I'm still not positive that the P/W law doesn't apply to new P'Platers. Although your not even allowed to modify an Inline-4 with any performance mods...rediculous and half arsed solution if you ask me. The problem is with education and social issues...irresponsable driving will always exist regardless of the power of cars. Perhaps they should make the licence test more difficult on a practical level and focus on driving safety and driving smoothness and controlability in general than on 3-point turns, Parking etc. Have a compulsory school safety class in all high schools....

Or have the standard P'Plate then a P-Advanced Licence...in which is very difficult and you are expected to have a wide theory knowledge and practical ability which allows you to drive any standard car......hold on....wait....that would require a real government, money...and effort....say good-bye to that idea.

Majority of the countries with the least road toll in the world...dont have any of this restrictive bullshit...they are just taught respect, theory and are told about safe and conservative driving from the start...not to mention MUCH better built and designed roads...

And yes...any Nissan worth getting will be illegal...eg. GTR's, GTS-T etc. considering the R33 GTS-T has the same 0-100 Time than a VTi-R and .2 seconds faster QTR...and your not allowed to modify cars....then i would say Honda's are the way to go...they are more fuel efficient and extremely reliable and you dont get the awful attention and looks from cops etc when you drive a honda.

Its easy to do up a honda and make it look like its completely stock...K&N Drop in with Type R CAI extension or custom + Full Exhaust (not cannon and modify the stock heatsheild) + Cams and you will have once tuned a 13second car in which no one will be the wiser xD

Engine Drops will quickly become the easiest way to have a fast car without having to worry about cops...

[Elwood]

i dont think i can afford 2 cars, so yeah i guess not. but just out of curiosity how much would a b16a or b16c or what ever good b series engine LOL, cost for eg3 including labour and everything :confused:

:honda:

I'd avoid any engine conversion as it seems that you havnt read up on the costs + whats involved in a conversion. it takes time, effort and money. Do yourself a favour and get a normal everyday car with abit of go. I'd recommend buying a EG with a b16a conversion already done.

They are relativly cheap, and have some guts.

[whtteg]

i dont think i can afford 2 cars, so yeah i guess not. but just out of curiosity how much would a b16a or b16c or what ever good b series engine LOL, cost for eg3 including labour and everything :confused:

:honda:

a really good eg5 you could get for about 8k or under, a eg3 with high km is 3k+, motor (b16a) and gearbox (half cut with everything) for about 2.5k (approx) then labor (not sure what the going rate is, talk to mates who are doing mechanical apprenticeships for cheap labor) so with your budget of 23k it would be affordable and you wont be off the road when you bingle on the track (and chances are you will, even the best drivers on track have bingles, ive seen the best prepared drivers have a bit of a slide and kiss walls)

[STiR]

Best bet to probably buy a nicely set up EG which has had most of the money already spent on it. Then just learn to drive, and when you do, you'll be able to go very, very quick in it. Look for something that has an excellent suspension and brake set up, that really is the most important thing.

[ROLLED]

From personal experience I had my S2k on my Ps for 2 years and never had any issues with the 125kw PTW laws...I was getting pulled over a lot as well even though my car is stock, maybe once or twice a week through summer. Now that I have my full license, I haven't been pulled over once yet!

Moreover, you can't get a decent s2k for $23k...when you need to consider costs like insurance (probably about $2-3k p.a. for yourself), plus duty (4% of purchase price) and rego($575 approx if the car has none left) when you purchase the car.

There are also a lot of bad examples out there and you would need to look at maybe 5-10 cars before getting a good indication of the condition etc. A lot of people have reported having mechanical issues like leaking diffs, gearboxes etc. So if you can't afford a good one, you certainly won't be able to afford a bad one.

[xenonkuraz]

considering the R33 GTS-T has the same 0-100 Time than a VTi-R and .2 seconds faster QTR...

you're joking right? did someone tell you this?

I've owned both cars. The VTi-R was fast, yeah. But the 33 was a LOT faster (0-100).

Down the 400m? It kills the teg. I've tracked my stock 33 against a vti-r (not my one) with notable mods and I still rorted it. On multiple runs.

[02gzm]

um GL finding an s2k in good condition for $23k. Do what a few others have said and buy an eg5 and learn how to drive. Then it can be your daily when you buy a better car later in life ;)

[TanitY]

um GL finding an s2k in good condition for $23k. Do what a few others have said and buy an eg5 and learn how to drive. Then it can be your daily when you buy a better car later in life ;)

Yeah i searched s2k on carsales and all that other junk it still like 28k plus. GG. so yeah i might just get a EG or EK or maybe just get a DC2R :cool: as i heard cops are too stupid to notice that dc2r are illegal seeing as they only got a 1.8L engine.

[hisoka]

get ek 1.6 litre then when u good to go smash in what ever engine u can afford with the money thats left

[simonnowis]

it pretty much comes down to either u want a good performing stock all rounder car then dc2r, otherwise civic eg or ek if u wanna mod urself, but keep in mind modding individual parts urself will cost u alot more $$$.
overall its really which chasis you think looks better.

[xenonkuraz]

I know it's cool to tell all your mates (or even show them) that you have a DC2R or S2K as your first car...

but within your 6-12months of initial driving...you're bound to have some sort of small accident. It's inevitable. Maybe just a scratch. But wouldn't you rather the inevitable happen to car that isn't worth so much?

You'll hear this from a lot of people...and I could guarantee a few have mentioned it in this thread already...

get a learner car (even though you have your p's...you'll still be learning a LOT).

Down the track, maybe a year or even after you're off your p's...then get your dream car.

You'll be saving yourself lots of money this way.

[TanitY]

yeah i think id rather get a stock dc2r which is a great all rounder car then a eg/ek for first car as i wouldnt have the finances to do so.

its not all about being cool showing of to my mates (but it is a bonus LOL) i just really like these cars so im gonna get it for my enjoyment.:)
and also small acidents may be inevitable but i cant wait another year to get it lol so i just cant wait. thanks for the tips.

[mocchi]

So if you can't afford a good one, you certainly won't be able to afford a bad one.

so true. :)

[Sp00ny]

you're joking right? did someone tell you this?

I've owned both cars. The VTi-R was fast, yeah. But the 33 was a LOT faster (0-100).

Down the 400m? It kills the teg. I've tracked my stock 33 against a vti-r (not my one) with notable mods and I still rorted it. On multiple runs.

Read from one of my old Wheels magazines...for the R33 and VTi-R are honda specs....quarter the 33 is faster by about .3 but its the same or .1 slower 0-100....you have to remember....TORQUE makes your car FEEL FASTER when its not...

Torque Sells Cars...Horsepower Wins Races...

I really dont know where your getting "you won against one with mods" R33 GTS-T's stock are useless....they handle like shit same with S13's...It's is a COMPLETELY differant story when you mod them though...You also MUST consider you are both amatures....driving skills play THE BIGGEST part of a track particulaly one with many corners...he could of been an awful driver. Once your up high in RPM...the VTi-R's will go around a track good expessially with "notable" mods as you mentioned...expessially if they have aftermarket suspension.

Stock for Stock Very Similar...once a R33 is modded properly...it's a differant story.

Similar Scenario: The new EVO X base model....goes 0-100 in 5.7 seconds...now drive one of those...compared to an EK9 that does it in 5.9...i bet you the evo will feel ALOT faster....but....0-100 its not...the torque will start to show its advantages in much later gears.

Ive been in a new VE commodores (base model)....feels very fast...but when i drag one...no chance. Except as soon as a Honda is out of 3rd Gear...without heavy modding and good tuning...any Turbo/V8 will wipe the absolute flaw with it...very big disadvantage to have no torque.

Nothing against skylines...GTR's (R32, R34 & R35) are in a league of their own...but the GTS-T's are not as good as what people think they are. Torque can be deceiving...;)

[NightKids]

http://firesport.ipspace.com/toyota-corolla-sportivo-2005-car-trading-point-sales--ad125637.htm

Problem solved.

[DC4Integra98]

DC4 :thumbsup:

[CB7_OWNER]

H22A powered Prelude =)

[SiReal]

Lol EJ8 coupe. damn quick cars hahahah

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Jeff stop whoring your car around and let me keep it

lololololol

[[NAV]]

H22A powered Prelude =)

X 2:p:p:p

[AE092]

50cc scooter

[guwarkjay888]

H22A powered Prelude =)


;1866394']X 2:p:p:p

X 3 :p:p:p:p:p:p

[lilcrx]

get a commonwhore! lol

if u get a chick knocked up no worries u got a family car ready lol

[TanitY]

Lol lol lol

[FASN8U]

reading most the posts here , hopefuly i can help clear this up as i went throught the exact same thing being 17. first of all hands down the kw per tonne law WILL apply to you. so type R and s2000 out of the question , also imagine ur insurance on an s2000? itl be well over 5 grand for full comp under your name. i no because i was qouted 5gs for full comp on my dc5. so id suggest go for a dc5 luxury/base if that will fuffil your needs, dc5's are still worth abit more than 23grand and even if you got for 23 you still need to think of rego , insurance upfront then services/tyres etc later down the track. my suggestion is save abit longer and try buy something as new as possible 2002 + to save hassles on repairs for hopefuly a long time. hope this helped in some , best of luck with your choice dude

[i_s2_honda]

hate to bump an old thread...

but... a good fast car under the 125kw:1000kg rule is a s13 silvia with a CA18DET... just misses out on being a high powered car :p

129kw / 1220kg * 100 = about 110kw : 1000kg

[Riced_Civic]

but its turbo, they cant drive turbos now, can they?

[eg5civic]

but its turbo, they cant drive turbos now, can they?

Correct

and to op and anyone thinking the same thing

Dont be a faygart

Learn on something relatively slow and old... bash it around a bit... then get something faster

Why do you think these new laws are in place.... So dipshit P platers dont go wrapping themselves around a tree

And funny thing is... the ones that kill themselves are usually clueless sheep that follow trends and buy the cars that are in right now, ect on old laws silvias and skylines

Hence why cops crack down so hard on imports... Dont be a hero... if you want something really fast but a ute or 4x4 and tow a track only turbo tot he track:thumbsup:

[mitchyb]

get a stock car with an awesome chassis i.e. Civic, Integra, Silvia (non turbo)... get used to the way the car handles and take it to a track day and explore the limits. when your used to the way the car handles then explore power. stupidest thing i did was buy a supercharged vk commodore as soon as i got my p's... almost killed me

[i_s2_honda]

AIYO!!!! just fill out one of these f**ken

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/B0956D37-C073-42B4-A523-726F5FF5653E/0/HighPoweredVehicleExemptionform9.pdf

and the turbo restrictions don't apply to low powered engines....

[eg5civic]

AIYO!!!! just fill out one of these f**ken

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/B0956D37-C073-42B4-A523-726F5FF5653E/0/HighPoweredVehicleExemptionform9.pdf

and the turbo restrictions don't apply to low powered engines....

You need to have good reason.... are you a p plater... do you have your license.. cause your maturity about this seems very blase


What is a high powered vehicle?
A high powered vehicle is a vehicle that has:
• an engine that has eight or more cylinders, or
• a turbocharged or supercharged engine (except diesel
powered vehicles or exempted low powered turbo vehicles**),
or,
• an engine that has been modified to increase the vehicle's
performance (other than a modification made by the
manufacturer in the course of the manufacture of the vehicle)
or,
• a nominated high performance six cylinder engine**.

Also exempted vehicles that are petrol not diesel include..... daihaitsu copen!!! woooo 1300cc turbo ftl

[i_s2_honda]

^^ meh.... whatever floats you boat :p

[FASN8U]

AIYO!!!! just fill out one of these f**ken

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyres/B0956D37-C073-42B4-A523-726F5FF5653E/0/HighPoweredVehicleExemptionform9.pdf

and the turbo restrictions don't apply to low powered engines....

ahh yer they aint just gunna hand it out to anyone.

thers gotta be a catch for example if its for work you still get penalised if your driving it outside of work hours

[stylish.]

Hmmm... how about a 2004 Subaru Liberty 3.0R?

180 kws weighing in at 1490 kgs?

That's about 120.8 kw/tonne.

0-100 is about high 6's to low 7's I think. Correct me if I'm wrong!

[milkman]

Get the R-B for Bilstein goodness & 6-speed STi gearbox :)

[eg5civic]

ahh yer they aint just gunna hand it out to anyone.

thers gotta be a catch for example if its for work you still get penalised if your driving it outside of work hours

exactly

you have done the smart thing... got yourself a nice cruiser for your first car... no police hassles no life threats

[chauster]

Br3wwww..

Get a ED and drop a k24 =]
sleeeper ftw

[ndeuro_]

buy a euro? seriously, its fun to drive, nice handling. leave it dead stock if u want. cause u can even get one for 20k and spend the rest on mods. plus they catch low attentions. piff in a turbo if u want too.

but in the end. i bet u wont even take half of the opionions on there seriously cause its your money, your choice and your interest. do whatever you want just dont get kill.

[eg5civic]

i dont understand why u need the "fastest" p-later car?

Cause otherwise your not the most hectic ulleh out

My mates continuously need the prove themselves that they can do stupid shit in cars ie slide them (fwd's in particular :(), speed in zones where it's just plain dangerous, do stupid shits with mates in the car ect

They dont get how easily everything can go wrong

[hisoka]

why dont you just buy whatever car you want and put it in parents name, then apply for immediate family members hi power vehicle. then drive all the turbos you want man. quick go go go.

lol agree 100% with eg5, same shit here, i hate it. it actually finally happened a few nights ago and now atleast one person lesson driving like a dickhead. he was shaking after, and was doing 60 in 100 zone cause he was so scared of what had just happened. hasnt driven since

[Riced_Civic]

i dont understand why u need the "fastest" p-later car?

because he want to be the next brian o'connor around the streets.

lets face it who doesn't. :P LOL

[kazam]

I dont agree with buying a super fast car for your first car, at least have a trash around of a weaker car first, THEN upgrade to sum speed....


but i feel your pain man, all these plans of turboing my civic, can't do shit for another year....

[AE092]

i dont understand why u need the "fastest" p-later car?

'cause it'll hit the tree/pole/wall faster than my beasty Corolla ever could

[aaronng]

Hmmm... how about a 2004 Subaru Liberty 3.0R?

180 kws weighing in at 1490 kgs?

That's about 120.8 kw/tonne.

0-100 is about high 6's to low 7's I think. Correct me if I'm wrong!

If you got your Ps after July 2007, you'll be alright to drive it. If it is auto, 100 in high 7's or low 8's.

[hisoka]

is there a rotary restriction there aswell ?

[aaronng]

is there a rotary restriction there aswell ?

RX-8s are not on the banned list. But RX-7s are.

[hisoka]

he should save for rx8 lol, most hp per litre. or get mx5 and put rotary engine in it

[aaronng]

The stupidest banned car I've seen under the new ruling is the original 1996/97 Boxster with 162kW. You can drive a 177kW RX-8 (132kW/ton), but not a 162kW Boxster (128kW/ton).

[aaronng]

he should save for rx8 lol, most hp per litre. or get mx5 and put rotary engine in it

RX-8 has the worst km/litre, so he had better be a rich person. And MX-5 with rotary engine is banned.

[040501912]

Fast cars = fuel

slow car save money :p

[aaronng]

Fast cars = fuel

slow car save money :p

An auto Daihatsu Terios drinks more fuel than a 350Z. LOL

[4age8u]

say hi to the tree for me haha ROFL

[timofytit]

Silly question for anyone to answer. Do they measure the power at the engine or at the wheels?

[aaronng]

Silly question for anyone to answer. Do they measure the power at the engine or at the wheels?

They use the specs of the unmodified car. That is why one of the requirements for a P plater legal car is one without any modifications to increase power.

[rbk_212]

guys can i also point out to those asking why he wants the fastest car out... 125kw/ton is not a fast car...

a dc2r just tips that limit and although it is a brilliant drivers car and handles like a dream, it is not super quick in a straight line

you can kill yourself in your mums v6 commodore just as easily as you can in a GTR, its driver skill not car power

[ndeuro_]

id say let the kid have whatever car he wants. let there be a few accidents for him to learn from the mistakes. thats if he does hoon :D

[BNK]

Agree with some of the posters here when they mentioned that you should start with something turtlish. My EK1 may not be as fast as those GTS-ts or commonwhores but it does looks arite, fun + FUEL EFFICIENT !!!:honda:!!:honda:!!!

Yet, i would be naive not to say that i wanted a speed demon myself (typical urges of a car-enthusiast teenage p-plater:p). But i figured, it's better to work my way up there (that's why im gonna save up as much as i can) and upgrade later down the track (dc2r/dc5r/Mx-5 NB/S15,etc). Meanwhile i can spend a bit on my civic and still stay alive and spend less in fixing and petrol for the old reliable fun hondas.

And of course when i get even older and experienced (aka matured) i'll then try to get one of my dream car (achievable in price-wise that is) ------> EVO/S2k/STI,etc:cool:

[AE092]

say hi to the tree for me haha ROFL

yeh man bad, send the poor tree my condolences

[string]

Acceleration = fun, and corners give you far more acceleration than pumping liquid cash through an engine.

[FASN8U]

But i figured, it's better to work my way up there (that's why im gonna save up as much as i can) and upgrade later down the track (dc2r/dc5r/Mx-5 NB/S15,etc).

lol there not powerfull cars

[Riced_Civic]

upgrading from an EK1 they are.

[rebound]

lol there not powerfull cars

s15 not a powerful car? lol

[BNK]

LOL, never say they're the most powerful (if you can see, my main realistic goal one day would be EVO/STI/S2K) and those cars which potentially be my next upgardes (i prefer fun ness than POWER really) and i see ITRs/S15s/Mx-5s + whatever else i can't think of atm would be more powerful than EK1 and still fun.

And trust me, drive ur DC5 and drive my EK and you'll feel how "POWERFUL" you're DC5 is. Beside you probably already aiming at something better than your DC5 when you get your Ls yeh ? If so, gud on ya ! (have fun with ur next upgrade!) meanwhile I'll have fun with my R:thumbsup:

[FASN8U]

s15 not a powerful car? lol

nope (keeping in mind im speakin of stock)

BNK - wasnt trying to bag ya. i see your point. well i wasnt realy aiming "higher" than a dc5 but if i petrol wasnt so exepnsive and i could legally drive it i definently wouldnt of bought a 4cylender. i love my car none the less though. goodluck with ur upgrade:thumbsup:

[AE092]

nope (keeping in mind im speakin of stock)

BNK - wasnt trying to bag ya. i see your point. well i wasnt realy aiming "higher" than a dc5 but if i petrol wasnt so exepnsive and i could legally drive it i definently wouldnt of bought a 4cylender. i love my car none the less though. goodluck with ur upgrade:thumbsup:

So can you explain why an S15 isn't "fast"?

[FASN8U]

never said is wasnt fast i said it wasnt powerful

[kazam]

So can you explain why an S15 isn't "fast"?

coz it duznt have vtec

[FASN8U]

no , cuz it has 4 cylenders

[kazam]

how many cylEnders duz an evo have?

[FASN8U]

ur missing the point completely

[kazam]

interesting

[BNK]

nope (keeping in mind im speakin of stock)

BNK - wasnt trying to bag ya. i see your point. well i wasnt realy aiming "higher" than a dc5 but if i petrol wasnt so exepnsive and i could legally drive it i definently wouldnt of bought a 4cylender. i love my car none the less though. goodluck with ur upgrade:thumbsup:

Yeh i know (no offence taken by any means:thumbsup:) , I was just extending my explanation further about what im trying to say of getting something that's not powerful and upgrading to something better each time down the track.:cool:

peace!

[FASN8U]

yer wel if you want something good on the track thats a different case .personaly i want 6.0L of v8 power when im off my p's! somethin that go's and can rip a decent burnout ;)

[BNK]

Well, each to their own huh ;)

[rbk_212]

yer wel if you want something good on the track thats a different case .personaly i want 6.0L of v8 power when im off my p's! somethin that go's and can rip a decent burnout ;)

i hope you run into my cousins 220kw atw rex and he shows you how slow commodores really are, even in V8 form (and at the same time uses less petrol than you) :)

nothing beats forced induction and light weight

[GIPONU]

i hope you run into my cousins 220kw atw rex and he shows you how slow commodores really are, even in V8 form (and at the same time uses less petrol than you) :)

nothing beats forced induction and light weight

i should meet my cousins 300kw atw nissan 200zr.lmao

anyways, ur probaly better lookin at a ute. not a car.lol

[rbk_212]

i should meet my cousins 300kw atw nissan 200zr.lmao

anyways, ur probaly better lookin at a ute. not a car.lol

lol that'd work too.... hehehe

[migoreng]

jesus...choose whatever looks cool to you with some power. like a vti-r. keep your car simple. don't overdo it and stuff :P but that's up to you whether you want clear tailights/massive bodykits like lancers etc.

17 years old and you want to do 6 seconds 0-100kph or something? >_<

[FASN8U]

i hope you run into my cousins 220kw atw rex and he shows you how slow commodores really are, even in V8 form (and at the same time uses less petrol than you) :)

nothing beats forced induction and light weight

talkin stock vs stock ( i no rexies are quick ) but dont bring in mod's cause skys the limit either way

[rbk_212]

talkin stock vs stock ( i no rexies are quick ) but dont bring in mod's cause skys the limit either way

yeah fair point, i personally do love a big v8 but if i was in the market for a big powerful aussie car its be a falcon F6 all the way, proven v8 muncher stock for stock...

and then theres the potential for the boost to be wound up a bit...

[FASN8U]

yer wasnt f6 like fastest aussie sedan or something?

[rbk_212]

yer wasnt f6 like fastest aussie sedan or something?

yeah something like that, all the wheels and motor camparo's have shown conclusively that its faster than anything, its just all that torque... its nearly at max torque just above idle speeds and it holds flat until near its redline, its phenomenal. Like in the 80-120 rolling speed tests it demolishes everything, and by a wider margin the higher the gear is...

plus its lighter than the v8 variants

so yeah, i want one :P

[Snoop_gee]

stripped out CRX SiR ftw
+1

agreed

[Moey.C]

lol 17 - and wants the fastest car. Tell the tree or pole i said hi

hahahahahhahahahahahhahah

[Crapdaz]

rofl if your in high school just get an old Calais or VL commo.... it's good enuf!!

[ndeuro_]

fast or not chick digs euro. and if u dont care then u have issues...

[Sir_k20a_lot]

fast or not chick digs euro. and if u dont care then u have issues...

:eek: me need euro naos

[GIPONU]

im a P plater myself
not much u can do with alot of power.. u will get ur car confiscated if ur just going fast.lol
as a p plater. all i wanted was a car that looks alrite... something better than a 1980's corolla that only costs like.. 5k.lmao.
and since im gettin my full license soon. ima get a SS ute and do the fk out of it.lmaooo

[FASN8U]

yer thats my plan when i get my fulls ^ buy somethin abit quicker but hey you can get ur car impounded wether your on p's or not

[ek4-guy]

i hope you run into my cousins 220kw atw rex and he shows you how slow commodores really are, even in V8 form (and at the same time uses less petrol than you) :)

nothing beats forced induction and light weight

lol 220kw aint shit for a wrx :thumbdwn:

[GIPONU]

yer thats my plan when i get my fulls ^ buy somethin abit quicker but hey you can get ur car impounded wether your on p's or not

lols. i call shotgun doing it first. :p
then i can call u the copy cat..haha
jks

[FASN8U]

lmao i thawt of it before i even had my p's so i think im a 1 up on you!
hehehee

[4age8u]

lol 220kw aint shit for a wrx :thumbdwn:



220 puff hahaha..my mates 4agze will wank all over your cousins 4door saloon lol

[4age8u]

maloo r8 ftw

[GIPONU]

maloo r8 ftw

tru...but no monaay