[cl9] extractors question

[ig3o]

hi im currently looking for extractors to buy.. and i've been looking around and most of the good brands are made for the k20a.. well my question is.. does the cl7 euroR k20 headers fit the cl9 k24?.. and if i does fit, do i need any special mods 2 make it happen?

these are some off the headers i've come accross
- 5zigen PRORACER RACE HEADERS for the CL7
- Spoon 4 to 2 Exhaust Manifold CL7
- Feels Exhaust Manifold CL7
- Mugen 4-2-1 Exhaust Manifold K20a

[Crapdaz]

i think the CL7 extractors run shorter than the CL9.

Go for Toda manifold, and source from TODA AU.
Otherwise maybe 5zigen i'd like to see how nice they are and performance, might get them in place of my DC sports.

[ig3o]

ooOooo yea 5zigen would be good =)

[Crapdaz]

ooOooo yea 5zigen would be good =)
lol it'll match my exhaust.
and my lug nuts.

[LXRY]

Anyone have any idea on how much these products are or if the thread starter would like to share prices with us would be nice as i too am going to change mine aswell...

[Crapdaz]

5zigen racing manifold is about $1300-1400 shipped to door.

[ig3o]

the Spoon extractors 4-2 CL7 AU $ 878.26
@ www.nengun.com
not including shipping cost, tax, etc...
and also u hav 2 buy the other piece where its 2-1

not sure if its reliable but thats where i found it

the Feels extractor is 147000yen which comes down to about $1.5k AUD
and again thats not including shipping, tax, etc...

[Crapdaz]

the Spoon extractors 4-2 CL7 AU $ 878.26
@ www.nengun.com (http://www.nengun.com/)
not including shipping cost, tax, etc...
and also u hav 2 buy the other piece where its 2-1

not sure if its reliable but thats where i found it

the Feels extractor is 147000yen which comes down to about $1.5k AUD
and again thats not including shipping, tax, etc...
on my nengun account, delivered to my door is about $1350.

yes, nengun is where i buy stuff from but takes forever to receive, BUT try perfectrun they are good and fast too.

try perfectrun.com.au and see how much they charge
ontop of that you have to add additional import costs cause it exceeds $1k unless you tell them to invoice only for the price of the product.

I WANT TO GET IT NOW!!!

[aaronng]

the Spoon extractors 4-2 CL7 AU $ 878.26
@ www.nengun.com
not including shipping cost, tax, etc...
and also u hav 2 buy the other piece where its 2-1

not sure if its reliable but thats where i found it

the Feels extractor is 147000yen which comes down to about $1.5k AUD
and again thats not including shipping, tax, etc...

You need to have the 2-1 section from the CL7, which we don't have in our car.

Also, headers for CL7 tend to require JDM cat (or an aftermarket cat with the same total length of cat + piping)

[Crapdaz]

You need to have the 2-1 section from the CL7, which we don't have in our car.

Also, headers for CL7 tend to require JDM cat (or an aftermarket cat with the same total length of cat + piping)

the 5zigen race header comes in the 4-2-1 but i am unsure about the flange that connects to the CAT.

[EuroAccord13]

Go Toda Racing Headers, Adrian (Toda AU) can hook you up... A few of us have them and we love them!

[aaronng]

the 5zigen race header comes in the 4-2-1 but i am unsure about the flange that connects to the CAT.

I meant the spoon 4-2 header.

For the 5zigen racing header, there is no flange. You are meant to weld your own one on. i think there is also no port for the O2 sensor, so you will have to make a pre-cat O2 port on your cat section.

[Crapdaz]

I meant the spoon 4-2 header.

For the 5zigen racing header, there is no flange. You are meant to weld your own one on. i think there is also no port for the O2 sensor, so you will have to make a pre-cat O2 port on your cat section.

uh huh i think you are right on that. :thumbsup: but :thumbdwn: cause it'll mean more money wasted.

[tony1234]

I've got Comptech headers,good value for money,approx.$780.00 to your door,bolt straight in,no resonating,hissing etc.:thumbsup:

[ig3o]

comptech headers =O! where did u u get it from tony?

[tony1234]

comptech headers =O! where did u u get it from tony?
Bought them from a guy here 2nd.hand.$500.but you can get them from here.http://www.heeltoeauto.com/product.php?productid=45259&cat=2161&page=1 approx.$780.00 to your door.

[LXRY]

Bought them from a guy here 2nd.hand.$500.but you can get them from here.http://www.heeltoeauto.com/product.php?productid=45259&cat=2161&page=1 approx.$780.00 to your door.

not bad price ;)

[mreuro4]

Hey mate, a trader on the forum does stainless obx headers 4 $399. Also hurricane headers are approx $400 from an exhaust shop. Just

[r-r-redEuro]

be baller and get maxim works =P

[ig3o]

how much r the maxim works?

[r-r-redEuro]

i think they are going for $2000 - $2400 ?

[Chris_F]

I'm pretty sure Feels = rebranded maxim works

you're looking at about 2k for a maxim works header

[EUR003act]

Go Toda Racing Headers, Adrian (Toda AU) can hook you up... A few of us have them and we love them!

second that!

theyre direct fit... and they see high gains (10-12kw atw) :D

PM TODA_AU for good price... if a few of you jump in, he might do a good deal

[aaronng]

Hey mate, a trader on the forum does stainless obx headers 4 $399. Also hurricane headers are approx $400 from an exhaust shop. Just

Got a link to the OBX headers?

[ig3o]

so what is the performance difference between TODA and Comptech?

[tony1234]

so what is the performance difference between TODA and Comptech?
Not sure,TODA would be better but cost approx.$1500,i paid $500 so i doubt the gains would be 3 times as much!

[EuroAccord13]

Toda has longer primaries than the Comptech and I THINK it is slightly smaller in diameter so it create less resistance for the exhaust flow and increase peak torque on the higher RPM band but drops quite a fair bit off after it's peak. The length determines how the torque curve is set and the diameter determines the peak torque relative to the RPM.
The bottomline to making power from the exhaust are that the exhaust has to quickly remove the combustion as quickly as possible and the velocity must be high too.

[aaronng]

Inertia does not become faster... la.

[EuroAccord13]

OK, edited to resistance......

[EUR003act]

OK, edited to resistance......

hehe you two fighting lol

come on msn later tonight... i gotta show you my secret weapon ;) lol

[ig3o]

ooOoOOo interesting.. lol i just picked up my injen CAI 2day and im hoping 2 get extractors by the end of this yr.. and im not sure which headers 2 get yet lol..

[Crapdaz]

extractors and headers are the same thing or did that statement follow on.

do you have alot of money to blow or do you just want bang for buck?
TODA/MAXIMWORK/J-Racing (bloody expensive) ------> DCSports/Comptech/Topspeed/Xforce (cheap as chips)

[kitbkk]

to fit a JDM header you will have to fit a jdm cat as well. with mine, the Random Tech cat is cut and welded to fit. Hanger of the header also needs to be rewelded as JDM header's hanger position is a bit more backward then OEM if you know what i mean. JDM headers will have more gain over CL9 ones coz they are all longer ( the 2-1 connection of CL7 is behind that of CL9). Ah sorry about my FOB engrish.

[ig3o]

yea i know its the same thing.. i just didnt wanna use the same word twice =O

[CL9R]

i've got the feels header. it's got a air sucking sound when u rev it. does toda and 5 zigen have them sound?

[akina]

yea its the hissing sound.
toda has it too, basically all aftermarket headers would have it.

[BusterSonic12]

a friend of mine is planning to get a set of headers next, but due to the stupid currency, i dont think he will be getting it soon. because he just got a quote for the toda header, it is $3000 now...

[JunYu]

oh no! is that quote from the US or toda aust?

[BusterSonic12]

oh no! is that quote from the US or toda aust?

toda australia.

[JunYu]

oh that's just bloody great. i just saved up 1.5k for it as well. what a kick in the butt :\

[akina]

wow should i consider myself lucky :D
maybe i should sell it for 2k and make some money haha

[TODA AU]

If you guys can wait a while, at least untill the markets settle a bit.
I'm pretty sure our dollar will recover & the price will come back down accordingly.

[JunYu]

i certainly hope so, I was trying to organise a group buy offline, or else i would have ordered it a few weeks back :\

[EUR003act]

yeah dollar/economy sucks...

ive had to cancel orders i had on J32A3 throttle bodies and another RBC manifold :(

[tony1234]

oh that's just bloody great. i just saved up 1.5k for it as well. what a kick in the butt :\
Buy Comptech header,approx.1K with the shit exchange rate.

[longers]

oh that's just bloody great. i just saved up 1.5k for it as well. what a kick in the butt :\

throw some of it my way :p

[JunYu]

i'm set on toda

[BusterSonic12]

oh that's just bloody great. i just saved up 1.5k for it as well. what a kick in the butt :\

LOL same with my friend. However, we just picked up a set of Rays, GGames 77M Time Attack edition for $1.5k instead of the header. Will save up the header next, hopefully by the time we get hold of that much again the price of the header will be lower

[EuroAccord13]

You can never go wrong with Toda....

+1 For Adrian @ Toda Australia to bring them in for you.

[EUR003act]

^^^^
+2 to adrian and TODA!

[docker]

Toda is great but I didn't want to wait until the dollar picks up, not sure how long that will take. So I've just purchased the J's Racing header from JDMConcept and I'll post my thoughts around quality, installation and performance when it's installed. There are some modifications to make for it to fit the CL9 but I have a good place here in Perth to do the work. I also have the J's Test Pipe on the way as well. The header didn't come with that.

[Euro08Jaz]

A before and after dyno would be awesome as well.

[aaronng]

A before and after dyno would be awesome as well.

There is already a before and after dyno for the Toda. 14kW gain on a car that already had intake and exhaust. http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1928478&postcount=77

[Chris_F]

Don't forget a few of those kw's are gained from the high-flow metal cat and not the header alone.

Still, the Toda exhaust manifold is a proven thing!

[aaronng]

Don't forget a few of those kw's are gained from the high-flow metal cat and not the header alone.

Still, the Toda exhaust manifold is a proven thing!

Yes, but if you were using the Toda, you would need to splice in an aftermarket cat onto the test pipe section anyway. :thumbsup:
You can't use the stock cat with it even if you cut the flange and weld on the test pipe flange and O2 sensor mounting because it would be too long to fit on the header section.

[Chris_F]

Yes, but if you were using the Toda, you would need to splice in an aftermarket cat onto the test pipe section anyway. :thumbsup:
You can't use the stock cat with it even if you cut the flange and weld on the test pipe flange and O2 sensor mounting because it would be too long to fit on the header section.

Just saying, the power gain should be compared with other header + cat combinations. If people are quoted 14kw atw as a 'header only' figure then it is slightly inflated. It's still an impressive gain though.

An exhaust shop would be able to modify the standard cat to fit. For the money though most people will opt for an aftermarket cat anyway, but using the standard cat isn't impossible.

[Euro08Jaz]

Toda is great but I didn't want to wait until the dollar picks up, not sure how long that will take. So I've just purchased the J's Racing header from JDMConcept and I'll post my thoughts around quality, installation and performance when it's installed. There are some modifications to make for it to fit the CL9 but I have a good place here in Perth to do the work. I also have the J's Test Pipe on the way as well. The header didn't come with that.

i was referring to this.

[aaronng]

i was referring to this.

Oops, yeah, then he will be the first. :thumbsup:

[tony1234]

Toda is great but I didn't want to wait until the dollar picks up, not sure how long that will take. So I've just purchased the J's Racing header from JDMConcept and I'll post my thoughts around quality, installation and performance when it's installed. There are some modifications to make for it to fit the CL9 but I have a good place here in Perth to do the work. I also have the J's Test Pipe on the way as well. The header didn't come with that.
How much did you pay for the J's racing header?

[docker]

No worries, I will do a before and after dyno then post the results. Probably won't be for a couple of weeks through as that's the earliest I could get my car booked in to do the work.

I paid $1225 delivered to my doorstep from JDMConcept.

[snYpz]

^ Not a bad price at all. I wonder if you getting the hissing like with the Toda.
With the gains with racing headers, its looks like a very worthwhile mod. Im just not keen on increasing noise levels.

[Euro08Jaz]

No worries, I will do a before and after dyno then post the results. Probably won't be for a couple of weeks through as that's the earliest I could get my car booked in to do the work.

I paid $1225 delivered to my doorstep from JDMConcept.

that would be great, thankyou

[BusterSonic12]

The price of the J's Racing Header still the same!? It was $12xx as well... howcome... I beg it will be an awesome header since J's racing always have high quality product!!

[JunYu]

I dreamt that the toda headers arrived at my door today. LOL

anyway, glad someone here picked up the j'srcaing, saw it on ebay for quite some time now.!! can't wait to see the gains.

[MangChi]

i think i will wait till our exchange rate improves before buying more parts. = [
wanted headers so bad but exchange rate is a dog

[tsx604]

Toda is great but I didn't want to wait until the dollar picks up, not sure how long that will take. So I've just purchased the J's Racing header from JDMConcept and I'll post my thoughts around quality, installation and performance when it's installed. There are some modifications to make for it to fit the CL9 but I have a good place here in Perth to do the work. I also have the J's Test Pipe on the way as well. The header didn't come with that.

My local shop has installed 2 J's CL7 header on 2 CL9s. It is not really a direct fit and it took them 3 hrs banging on the subframe to get it fit. Just a heads up for what you should be expecting to install the J's header on a CL9. Good luck and please post a review on it.

[aaronng]

My local shop has installed 2 J's CL7 header on 2 CL9s. It is not really a direct fit and it took them 3 hrs banging on the subframe to get it fit. Just a heads up for what you should be expecting to install the J's header on a CL9. Good luck and please post a review on it.
That's odd, the CL7 header should fit the CL9 without needed to bang out the subframe. Usually it is the DC5 header that requires some CL9 banging.

[EUR003act]

That's odd, the CL7 header should fit the CL9 without needed to bang out the subframe. Usually it is the DC5 header that requires some CL9 banging.

could it be because of the 19.7mm deck height difference between the K24 and K20? :confused:

that would mean the extractors would sit higher...

[tony1234]

That's BS.You shouldn't have to pay $1200+ and then have to beat the shit out of the subframe to make the headers fit???:thumbdwn:

[aaronng]

could it be because of the 19.7mm deck height difference between the K24 and K20? :confused:

that would mean the extractors would sit higher...

If that was true, then the Toda and Maxim headers would also have the same problem and needs the subframe to be banged out.

[Crapdaz]

doesn't sound good.....

and from akina's install he didn't need to bang anything.

[EUR003act]

If that was true, then the Toda and Maxim headers would also have the same problem and needs the subframe to be banged out.

unless on the CL7 the TODA/Maxim headers sit lower under the subframe?

[CL9R]

Is Feels header good for cl9??

[Chris_F]

its the same as maxim works (made by maxim works) and is definitely one of the best on the market

[aaronng]

unless on the CL7 the TODA/Maxim headers sit lower under the subframe?
Get under your car to measure! :):thumbsup:

[snYpz]

Is Feels header good for cl9??

Yeh maxim = feels. Thought you had maxim already lol...so it must be good! :p

[kitbkk]

My local shop has installed 2 J's CL7 header on 2 CL9s. It is not really a direct fit and it took them 3 hrs banging on the subframe to get it fit. Just a heads up for what you should be expecting to install the J's header on a CL9. Good luck and please post a review on it.
Could it be because the J's Racing is once piece header and its a bit hard to find the right angle to fit it in?
It happened to me as well when we were fitting the Toda header to my car. Even the oil filter had to be removed to made it easier to fit in the right angle.

[snYpz]

Could it be because the J's Racing is once piece header and its a bit hard to find the right angle to fit it in?
It happened to me as well when we were fitting the Toda header to my car. Even the oil filter had to be removed to made it easier to fit in the right angle.

Kitbkk, just wondering, did you notice much improvement with the toda over your topspeed headers?

I have the topspeed atm and might go with toda sometime next year. I heard that theres the hissing sound, is it annoying? :)

[CL9R]

I am using feels. just wanna know if it good compair to others like toda :p
does other header like toda have that air sucking sound when reving? :confused:

[kitbkk]

Kitbkk, just wondering, did you notice much improvement with the toda over your topspeed headers?

I have the topspeed atm and might go with toda sometime next year. I heard that theres the hissing sound, is it annoying? :)

yep! The gain was significant! How can I put it.. Even though I have heavy rims about 12kg per corner, Toda header alone can improve all rev range heaps over top speed or dc sports. The gain from toda header alone, IMO, is even greater than top speed + high flow cat.. definitely worth how much you spent:thumbsup:
hissing wise, if your using top speed header, the hissing from toda is even louder...but in more aggressive way. you do not notice it at idle but WOT.

[Chris_F]

I am using feels. just wanna know if it good compair to others like toda :p
does other header like toda have that air sucking sound when reving? :confused:

I would say the attention to detail and build quality of the maxim works header is better than the toda. When you see them both off the car the toda looks like a piece of machinery but the maxim works looks likes a piece of art (just my opionion).

Performance wise, they're probably very close, but have never seen a back to back dyno. I do know that the maxim works are designed with perfectly equal length runners. Each Y joins is also hand machined at the join to give a knife-edge like merge between the runners. The reccomended retail price for the maxim works a few years ago was 147,000 yen. So today (with the current exchange rate) both the Toda and Maxim works will easily set you back more than $3k shipped. For that money, neither of them are worth the money in my opinion... Hopefully the Australian dollar can recover.

For reference:

The maxim works, the primary runners are 45mm, secondary are 48.6mm then come together at a 54mm collector. The toda has 45mm primaries and 50mm secondary runners. So the piping size is very similar, but they have a very different design so you'd need to do a back to back dyno to gauge any performance differences.

toda has the hissing sound aswell from what I've heard. It's from the flex pipes and is particularly loud on the maxim works beause there are 4 flex pipes. Personlaly I think the hiss sounds good. At high rpm it's like a swarm of angry bees

[snYpz]

yep! The gain was significant! How can I put it.. Even though I have heavy rims about 12kg per corner, Toda header alone can improve all rev range heaps over top speed or dc sports. The gain from toda header alone, IMO, is even greater than top speed + high flow cat.. definitely worth how much you spent:thumbsup:
hissing wise, if your using top speed header, the hissing from toda is even louder...but in more aggressive way. you do not notice it at idle but WOT.

thanks kit. Man i dont mind spending the money for the toda at all. My only concern is the sound! IMO, the euro is a luxury-ish car so should be stealthy :p...if there wasnt that excessive hissing, i would be all over toda for sure!!

btw, i thought toda came with the cat as well?

[CL9R]

I would say the attention to detail and build quality of the maxim works header is better than the toda. When you see them both off the car the toda looks like a piece of machinery but the maxim works looks likes a piece of art (just my opionion).

Performance wise, they're probably very close, but have never seen a back to back dyno. I do know that the maxim works are designed with perfectly equal length runners. Each Y joins is also hand machined at the join to give a knife-edge like merge between the runners. The reccomended retail price for the maxim works a few years ago was 147,000 yen. So today (with the current exchange rate) both the Toda and Maxim works will easily set you back more than $3k shipped. For that money, neither of them are worth the money in my opinion... Hopefully the Australian dollar can recover.

For reference:

The maxim works, the primary runners are 45mm, secondary are 48.6mm then come together at a 54mm collector. The toda has 45mm primaries and 50mm secondary runners. So the piping size is very similar, but they have a very different design so you'd need to do a back to back dyno to gauge any performance differences.

toda has the hissing sound aswell from what I've heard. It's from the flex pipes and is particularly loud on the maxim works beause there are 4 flex pipes. Personlaly I think the hiss sounds good. At high rpm it's like a swarm of angry bees

OMG!!!did u go to school for dat??? thankx man...lol:cool:

[kitbkk]

thanks kit. Man i dont mind spending the money for the toda at all. My only concern is the sound! IMO, the euro is a luxury-ish car so should be stealthy :p...if there wasnt that excessive hissing, i would be all over toda for sure!!

btw, i thought toda came with the cat as well?

It comes with a testpipe :thumbsup:

[power_of_dreams]

I am using feels. just wanna know if it good compair to others like toda :p
does other header like toda have that air sucking sound when reving? :confused:

You have the feels header but can't decide if its any good? :confused:

[CL9R]

You have the feels header but can't decide if its any good? :confused:


nah... i can...u didn't get wat im saying...i am asking ppl how is it compairing with toda and 5 zigen headers.....lol:cool: like i said later the gain on feel's is very good

[enkay]

yer since its the same as maxim (what ive got),i can also say its got good gains =D

[snYpz]

^any hissing with the maxims? Heard that it sounds quieter than the toda headers, is that correct?

[EUR003act]

ive got TODA, definate hissing... but its sexy hissing... hissing like a snake when its warning you to stay back or itll bite! :thumbsup:

[snYpz]

hahhahha lol...glad to hear your car is almost done mate! :thumbsup:

Im looking for options to gain more performance, just cant get enough of it (probably cos i got auto as well hehehe) :( lol
Got the cheap topspeed headers, noticeable response, but by the sounds of people who have switched to toda, it appears it almost difference between night and day! Thats got me thinking...

[CL9R]

^any hissing with the maxims? Heard that it sounds quieter than the toda headers, is that correct?


yes. there r hissing. and i think it's even louder than toda i heard:cool:

[akina]

snypz... if ya want u can test out the difference with my car and urs ;)
pretty much the same except the noise level... lol

i still hear the hissing even with all the rattle and loud exhaust
also if u drive with less throttle theres no hissing, its only there when u give it about 50% throttle or more.

[tony1234]

I have Comptech headers,NO hissing at all.

[Crapdaz]

I have Comptech headers,NO hissing at all.

lucky, i have hissing with my dcsports but depending on how much throttle i put on, sometimes i mistake it for my intake hiss.
i am looking at changing to 5zigen headers but i need the dough.

[tony1234]

lucky, i have hissing with my dcsports but depending on how much throttle i put on, sometimes i mistake it for my intake hiss.
i am looking at changing to 5zigen headers but i need the dough.
Yeah, mine don't hiss at all,from idle to redline.:thumbsup:I paid $500 for mine 2nd.hand.with the shit exchange rate the Comtech are over $1K.:eek:.toda are apparently close to 3K.:eek::eek:

[aaronng]

lucky, i have hissing with my dcsports but depending on how much throttle i put on, sometimes i mistake it for my intake hiss.
i am looking at changing to 5zigen headers but i need the dough.

Didn't you change the flexpipe too? I changed mine and no more hissing. The Comptech header is probably the best street sports header out there. The next step up are the racing headers (Toda, 5zigen, J's Racing) and crazily expensive JDM headers (Maxim/Feel's)

[Chris_F]

I was checking out a UK based online shop last night. Maxim works headers were going for over 1900 pounds... !!

[Crapdaz]

Didn't you change the flexpipe too? I changed mine and no more hissing. The Comptech header is probably the best street sports header out there. The next step up are the racing headers (Toda, 5zigen, J's Racing) and crazily expensive JDM headers (Maxim/Feel's)
nah i was too lazy to look for someone to do it.
and i need to save up for clutch and f/w. :(

[CL9R]

nah i was too lazy to look for someone to do it.
and i need to save up for clutch and f/w. :(

Get da ORC 309 single plate....just got it done last week....f**king awsome:D also makes gears more easier to find. it just sucking into it.

[Crapdaz]

yeh i know mate, that is the one i was going to get.

[docker]

My local shop has installed 2 J's CL7 header on 2 CL9s. It is not really a direct fit and it took them 3 hrs banging on the subframe to get it fit. Just a heads up for what you should be expecting to install the J's header on a CL9. Good luck and please post a review on it.I hope this isn't the case. I haven't heard or read anything until now about the J's Header requiring the subframe banging to make it fit. Then again I haven't found anyone with the J's Header fitted onto the CL9 to share their experience where installation was concerned.

I guess I'll have to wait and see when I get it fitted within the next few weeks.

[tsx604]

I hope this isn't the case. I haven't heard or read anything until now about the J's Header requiring the subframe banging to make it fit. Then again I haven't found anyone with the J's Header fitted onto the CL9 to share their experience where installation was concerned.

I guess I'll have to wait and see when I get it fitted within the next few weeks.


Yes, I am pretty sure about the subframe issue with the J's header installed on a CL9. AJ Racing tunes my CL9. I've visited the store owner and AJ Racing is the North America J's Racing Distributor here. He installed the first J's Racing CL7 header on a customer's CL9 and he lost money on it because he did not know about the subframe issue and costed his shop ~3hrs labour trying to modify the subframe to fit the header. The store owner is Ben, you can call him at 1 604 279 0329 to confirm the fitment of the J's Racing CL7 header. I was initially decided on the J's Racing CL7 because it is the less expensive CL7 header option.

Keep me posted and I'm pretty sure that this is the only issue with the J's header. Other than that, I like the header alot.

[BusterSonic12]

anyone know the website for maximworks/m-bit? Just want to browse around their products.

[johnprocter]

how can you tell if your flexi pipe is broken guys?

[integral90]

how can you tell if your flexi pipe is broken guys?

From what I've heard, there's a loud hissing sound and a loss of power

[JiN_MaN]

Alright im not very Honda savvy, I blame it on my friends for getting me interested. But can somebody please clear this up for me.

CL7=K20A Motor
CL9=K24A Motor

You can get TODA Extractors new for $2350AUS delivered for the K20A motors, or used ones for $1700 AUS delivered.

Where is everybody getting 3k from?

[Suntzu]

From what I've heard, there's a loud hissing sound and a loss of power

Got my flexpipe fixed on my Top speed this week. Got more power now, no doubt, gained in low-mid RPM. About 40% quieter too and minimized the hissing.

[TODA AU]

Alright im not very Honda savvy, I blame it on my friends for getting me interested. But can somebody please clear this up for me.

CL7=K20A Motor
CL9=K24A Motor

You can get TODA Extractors new for $2350AUS delivered for the K20A motors, or used ones for $1700 AUS delivered.

Where is everybody getting 3k from?

Actually it's a little under $2200 delivered @ today's exchange rate for CL9,
& just under $1850 for DC5/EP3
That could get worse at any time though.

[Crapdaz]

yeh, can't believe interest rates have dropped like 2%. OMFG~!!!!!

TODA headers *droolz*

[BusterSonic12]

Actually it's a little under $2200 delivered @ today's exchange rate for CL9,
& just under $1850 for DC5/EP3
That could get worse at any time though.

is that including the cat? for the euro.

[Crapdaz]

is that including the cat? for the euro.
that should only include the test pipe that comes with the headers. correct me if i am wrong.

[EuroAccord13]

that should only include the test pipe that comes with the headers. correct me if i am wrong.



Correct....

[integral90]

yeh, can't believe interest rates have dropped like 2%. OMFG~!!!!!

TODA headers *droolz*

LOL I have J's Racing on the way :wave:

[doosra]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i236/waiwong38/mugen%20style%20box/31032009222.jpg

Would these fit a CL9 euro?

They're 5zigen headers for the CL9. I dont know much about headers, but i thought headers for euro had to be 4-2-1.

Anyone had experience with these and would they directly bolt on? I've got a buddyclub exhaust as well

[kitbkk]

That 5zigen header is assembled wrong. It should be in the opposite side LOL.
That one is also 4-2-1. With 5zigen, from the photo, it doesnt have a hanger LOL.
But it will be easier with the o2 bung coz you can just twist that up side down in the 2-1 part so the bung will be on the passenger side (cl7 has o2 bung on driver side). The collector looks big! I think this race header should produce more KW than Toda I dunno.It has no flex pipe either hehe.

[BusterSonic12]

looks like it's for a b series or it is part together wrongly lol should look like a S instead of a C shape if u get what i mean.

[doosra]

sounds confusing.. i'm quite noob when it comes to all this..

all i basically need to know is 3 things as i'm trying to weigh up whether they're worth purchasing..

is what are the missing parts.. ?
how much would these parts cost and where from.. ?
is this direct bolt on or easy to install?

[drmonk3y]

If it's the exact one that you've got in the pics, it's in the wrong 'configuration' to bolt onto ur CL9. Coz the K24A exhaust manifold comes out the rear end of the engine if that makes sense ~

So I guess in short, from pure logic and observation, it probably won't bolt on.

[doosra]

yeah.. the guy selling it was saying how it's put in the opposite way.. i'm so i'm assuming you could put it in the correct way... or issit welded like that ?

[aaronng]

yeah.. the guy selling it was saying how it's put in the opposite way.. i'm so i'm assuming you could put it in the correct way... or issit welded like that ?

No, that is the wrong header. You cannot modify that to fit the Euro. You need this one: http://www.5zigenusa.com/english/products/muffler/proracer_sports/race_headers.html

[felixd]

brmm brmm thats lookslike Bseries to me :D

[doosra]

cool thanks guys..

out of interest....if their cl9 headers and they dont fit the cl9... why do they call it that.. ?

[dupac->]

theyre just selling the wrong product i guess. where are you look at them headers?

if the slip joins are anything like the tri y design it leaks air and sounds shit. even with it all sealed up.. can never seal them up perfectly.

where did you get that pic form johnny?

[kitbkk]

it is cl9 one...
the seller assembled it in an opposite way.
here is the link http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111815
Im not sure how you will mount it on to the cat with the donut gasget though as it doesnt have a flange for the cat.
Use your imagination as if the header is assembled in the right way and compare to the link Aaron gave. hehehe

[racerwannabe]

Doosra, dats a pretty good price at the moment..i would get it if i was you.

[dupac->]

yeah u could flip the joint the other way..
lol

but yeah

hahha

[aaronng]

Ahh, if that's the case, then I stand corrected.

[doosra]

cool.. thanks guys.. so it looks like it will fit.. i think there's some missing parts that's all.. do you think an exhaust shop will be able to manage to put this on?

[aaronng]

cool.. thanks guys.. so it looks like it will fit.. i think there's some missing parts that's all.. do you think an exhaust shop will be able to manage to put this on?

You will need to get a tube with flange, springs to hold them together and also extend your primary O2 sensor wire.

[dupac->]

you probably would need to get a flange welded on.. and maybe one of them donut gaskets.. and possibly a flex pipe incase its short or the cat that ur gonna run.

walk in the park for exhaust shops i reckon.

[doosra]

that's too much effort for a noob like me.. hahahhah i'll think about it.. :) thanx for your help guys

[dupac->]

but nothings direct bolt on esp if your mix and matching parts.

understandable if its aftermarket cat back mixed in with oem cat n shit..

but yeah

5 zigen headers oem cat the onto a buddy club exhaust.. might need abit of a chop and weld here and there..

but yeah

you suck chooky

[doosra]

hahahah.. eat a d!ck du.. lol..
yeah.. sounds like a handful.. and i'd rather not buy something with the risk that it's gonna cause too much headaches..

[aaronng]

you probably would need to get a flange welded on.. and maybe one of them donut gaskets.. and possibly a flex pipe incase its short or the cat that ur gonna run.

walk in the park for exhaust shops i reckon.

You need a flange welded onto a tube, which then fits to the end of the 5zigen header and is secured by 2 springs. You don't weld the flange straight onto the header.

[dupac->]

oh ok..
springs held onto what ? the cat?

[aaronng]

oh ok..
springs held onto what ? the cat?
5zigen headers are 2 part headers which are held together with spring hooks. With the flange that meets the cat, that makes it a 3 part header.

[integral90]

Also I'm not sure if you'd need to replace your donut ring gasket. The stock cat has one on it, but I'm not sure if it is the right design to run a flex pipe-less header on.

[tony1234]

Sounds all too hard to me.Look for another header.

[BusterSonic12]

Toda is your key! Maximworks can also help you!

[aaronng]

With Toda and Maxim, you have to modify the length of the cat and change the flange, or get a highflow or JDM cat.

[Chris_F]

^that's right... you need a JDM euro-R sized cat to fit those headers. I think maximworks now sells a CL9 header (with a 5th flex pipe! lol) which will probably be the correct size for the stock cat.

Interesting fact: the JDM euro-R cat has a 300cell metal substrate.

[EUR003act]

With Toda and Maxim, you have to modify the length of the cat and change the flange, or get a highflow or JDM cat.

TODA now sell a CL9 header... will fit stock cat if needed :)

speak to Adrian if your interested, i think theyre around the $2300 mark atm :thumbsup:

[dtngo]

TODA now sell a CL9 header... will fit stock cat if needed :)

speak to Adrian if your interested, i think theyre around the $2300 mark atm :thumbsup:

*Looks into emtpy wallet* Why does quality cost to much :(

[EuroAccord13]

*Looks into emtpy wallet* Why does quality cost to much :(


Same as why you would pay more for an Accord Euro over an equivalent one from Geely Cars.

Toda spends a lot of dosh dosh and time in their R & D to ensure that it works and lasts..:wave:

[racerwannabe]

Does anyone know where you can get toda headers in Hk? going back soon so might pick one up if the price is right :D

[akina]

Does anyone know where you can get toda headers in Hk? going back soon so might pick one up if the price is right :D

I want to know too :thumbdwn:
Toda headers is the only I can't find at HK :(

[aaronng]

I want to know too :thumbdwn:
Toda headers is the only I can't find at HK :(

That's because they are made to order I reckon. You won't find them sitting on the shelves.

[racerwannabe]

what are the alternatives? i saw weaponR headers on super GT but not sure if its direct bolt on and as good as the toda one?

[BusterSonic12]

Try Topracing in Mk or kowloon bay!

The last 2 times i went back to Hk, they had the toda header sitting on the glass display for low $7000, brand new. But yen got up so i dont know if the price change but generally it is still cheaper.

[EUR003act]

That's because they are made to order I reckon. You won't find them sitting on the shelves.

all TODA headers are hand made... up until this year, they were all made by one guy!

excellent quality! :thumbsup:

[doosra]

do exhaust places make custom headers.. if so, has anyone had experience with them or can recommend? also, what price would you be looking at

[tony1234]

do exhaust places make custom headers.. if so, has anyone had experience with them or can recommend? also, what price would you be looking at
If you take in a Toda or Comptech header they'd probably copy them for you.That'd be your best option.

[aaronng]

do exhaust places make custom headers.. if so, has anyone had experience with them or can recommend? also, what price would you be looking at

Without flow testing, custom headers are not the best choice. You're better off with a copy than a custom one.

[free2d]

Between these three, which one better Toda, 5zigen, J's Racing?

[aaronng]

Between these three, which one better Toda, 5zigen, J's Racing?

I'd pick Toda.

[euromandeluxe]

Without flow testing, custom headers are not the best choice. You're better off with a copy than a custom one.

A copy ey... How much do they typically cost to fabricate?

Anyone got a set of Toda headers up for lending? :p

[aaronng]

A copy ey... How much do they typically cost to fabricate?

Anyone got a set of Toda headers up for lending? :p

I don't advocate copying a company's header. They have put a lot of money into the research and testing of that product.

[euromandeluxe]

I don't advocate copying a company's header. They have put a lot of money into the research and testing of that product.

Fair enough.

Props to the lightning fast reply :)

I'm thinking maybe I should pick up a DC sports set. But maybe I'll regret not getting something better. But something better costs almost 3k.
Sigh at the quality vs cost relationship.
2.5k for Toda - around 10kwatw. No idea what the torque curve looks like - the pic looks like it was removed from the 'toda headers to CL9 thread'.

500ish for DC sports - about 6kWatw. Torque curve is raised by a bit in most parts. but, there's quality issues.

I'd bet my left nut the Toda's torque curve is epically better than the DC sports. Anyone have a dyno chart for before/after with the toda?

[Crapdaz]

Same situation i was in.
If you've got the money then go for TODA, else if you just want to fill in some of the stock euro gaps then Dcsports is enough to do the job.

[doosra]

would these direct bolt onto a cl9 euro.. ?

http://www.heeltoeauto.com/product.php?productid=63078

it's 1200 delivered.. sounds cheap..

[tony1234]

would these direct bolt onto a cl9 euro.. ?

http://www.heeltoeauto.com/product.php?productid=63078

it's 1200 delivered.. sounds cheap..
Looks the same as the stock header.:confused:
Got mine sitting in my garage.!
Personally i wouldn't consider it.For that sort of money get Comptech.

[integral90]

I find it hilarious how everyone recommends the header they've got :p

I say J's Racing, Justin says Toda, Tony says Comptech, Darren says DC :D

[akina]

Aaron has DC, but he loves the Toda :p

[dtngo]

Aaron has DC, but he loves the Toda :p
lol, I think everyone would love the Toda if they could afford it :wave:

[enkay]

I find it hilarious how everyone recommends the header they've got :p

I say J's Racing, Justin says Toda, Tony says Comptech, Darren says DC :D

haha ill recommend maxim then =P

[aaronng]

Aaron has DC, but he loves the Toda :p

No I don't have DC Sports. That's why I don't recommend my header to anyone. It is a POS.

[EuroAccord13]

I recommend Toda as well :D
I also recommend DC Sports for the budget concious.
Tested both and they both make good gains for the money you pay for.

[akina]

Siff dis it aaron, your getting 1.17 @ WP!

Someone needs to beat the 17 man, theres like 3-4 euro's getting that now.

[aaronng]

Siff dis it aaron, your getting 1.17 @ WP!

Someone needs to beat the 17 man, theres like 3-4 euro's getting that now.

It's not the car. :p

I pulled only 15.8 as my best time at WSID. Disappointing.... Slower than a stock Euro tested by Wheels magazine?

[euromandeluxe]

No I don't have DC Sports. That's why I don't recommend my header to anyone. It is a POS.

You don't have DC sports? What do you have?! I thought you had toda LOL

[aaronng]

You don't have DC sports? What do you have?! I thought you had toda LOL

Nope, i have shitty headers. From china i think

[integral90]

It's not the car. :p

I pulled only 15.8 as my best time at WSID. Disappointing.... Slower than a stock Euro tested by Wheels magazine?

You had so much shit in the boot and you went really easy on the car, mid to low 15s were on the table!

[aaronng]

You had so much shit in the boot and you went really easy on the car, mid to low 15s were on the table!

Nah, I had a good 60ft time for a noob but above 100km/h, my car was slow to gain speed. I don't have top end. That's the downside of cheap headers.

[Kason]

i've a toda 421 header + toda hi flow cat.

100% worth it, no regret. Trust me, it will be the best money you ever spend on your car and you won't go back to stock header after driven the one with toda.


Siff dis it aaron, your getting 1.17 @ WP!

Someone needs to beat the 17 man, theres like 3-4 euro's getting that now.

ME me me!! haha i'm aimming for 1:17s next time with the help of bucket seat ahaha :thumbsup:

[Chris_F]

the euro is never going to be too fast in a straight line in naturally aspirated form... it's a 1400kg car with a 4cyl engine after all. The gear-change from 3rd to 4th in the quarter mile also really hurts the time.

For those that haven't been down the 1/4 you basically hit the end of third about 100 metres from the line so there's about 0.5 seconds of wasted time. The car needs a higher redline, different gear ratios or significantly more power (so that you can actually have time to accelerate once in 4th gear) to do better times. With basic bolt-ons mid 15's is hard to beat for the inexperienced 1/4 mile driver.

[integral90]

the euro is never going to be too fast in a straight line in naturally aspirated form... it's a 1400kg car with a 4cyl engine after all. The gear-change from 3rd to 4th in the quarter mile also really hurts the time.

For those that haven't been down the 1/4 you basically hit the end of third about 100 metres from the line so there's about 0.5 seconds of wasted time. The car needs a higher redline, different gear ratios or significantly more power (so that you can actually have time to accelerate once in 4th gear) to do better times. With basic bolt-ons mid 15's is hard to beat for the inexperienced 1/4 mile driver.

Exactly right, it's like Honda specifically designed it to suck at the quarter mile. I've lined up against the user Nepolian (he runs high 13's) at the strip and actually got the exact same 60ft time, and then because 2nd gear is so stupidly long he's like 1 second ahead at the 1/8th!

Then the whole going into 4th right before the line... last time I went I tried to see if I could just rev out 3rd and make it, started bouncing off the rev limiter about 50m before the line. Later on in the night I was actually getting into 4th and pulling alright, trapped 145km/h on my 15.4 (further testament to my car only having any power from 5500-7200rpm)

[aaronng]

^^ See, you guys are fast. I hit 4th AT the finish line.... that's how slow my car is.

[Chris_F]

Exactly right, it's like Honda specifically designed it to suck at the quarter mile. I've lined up against the user Nepolian (he runs high 13's) at the strip and actually got the exact same 60ft time, and then because 2nd gear is so stupidly long he's like 1 second ahead at the 1/8th!

Then the whole going into 4th right before the line... last time I went I tried to see if I could just rev out 3rd and make it, started bouncing off the rev limiter about 50m before the line. Later on in the night I was actually getting into 4th and pulling alright, trapped 145km/h on my 15.4 (further testament to my car only having any power from 5500-7200rpm)

Sounds like my car should be capable of a similar time to that, I was trapping 91mph (145km/h) aswell.

I didn't bother to drop my tyres pressures (I run 38psi) or take interior/spare tyre out... I wanted to know what my car would do with it's day-to-day setup.

If I ever go again I'll try for a best case scenario with lower tyre pressures and a bit of weight reduction... it's really boring compared to a proper track day though.


^^ See, you guys are fast. I hit 4th AT the finish line.... that's how slow my car is.

haha, I won't be happy untill I'm changing into 4th much sooner... I think Liam's guess of 50m from the line is much closer. When I'm changing gears I'm ALMOST at the line (only just before it)

But still, 1/4 mile racing in an accord euro is a recipe for dissapointment lol

[free2d]

No one on 5Zigen?

[oongie]

Just got some headers installed today... 1st thing off the ranks in terms of mods. Awesome! Now the VSA light turns on when I hit 6K ... SWEET!
Get headers + High flow cat worth it! First time I'm grinning in the CL9 since the MX5.
Next off the ranks intake!
just my 2c.
Thanks fatfish.

[aaronng]

Which header did you get?

[craze]

i think he got the maxim headers if it came from fatfish

[integral90]

Just got some headers installed today... 1st thing off the ranks in terms of mods. Awesome! Now the VSA light turns on when I hit 6K ... SWEET!
Get headers + High flow cat worth it! First time I'm grinning in the CL9 since the MX5.
Next off the ranks intake!
just my 2c.
Thanks fatfish.

Which headers are they? That's suprising that the VSA would only come on during VTEC, the Euro's peak torque is much lower than that :p

[enkay]

oo, if its maxim, welcome to the club =D

[aaronng]

Which headers are they? That's suprising that the VSA would only come on during VTEC, the Euro's peak torque is much lower than that :p
Wheel spin is caused by sudden changes in torque. Not by peak torque.

[oongie]

Maxims it is! Such a Beautiful header!
Install was a pain though...
It's only the first mod, but boy, these + high flow cat make a difference.
Don't deny yourself biting the bullet on good quality headers.

[integral90]

Wheel spin is caused by sudden changes in torque. Not by peak torque.

Wheel spin is caused when torque surpasses the tyres' grip, doesn't have to be sudden.

[aaronng]

Wheel spin is caused when torque surpasses the tyres' grip, doesn't have to be sudden.

The Euro doesn't enough torque to surpass the tyres grip except in 1st going slightly uphill. That's why it needs a sudden jump in torque to do so. That's what your RBC was doing before. Lose low rpm torque and gain high rpm torque, so the change is bigger when you hit 6000rpm.

[integral90]

The Euro doesn't enough torque to surpass the tyres grip except in 1st going slightly uphill. That's why it needs a sudden jump in torque to do so. That's what your RBC was doing before. Lose low rpm torque and gain high rpm torque, so the change is bigger when you hit 6000rpm.

Mine would shudder the whole way through 1st when stock :angel:

Now with flywheel I get that shudder the whole way through 1st, even with RBC :D

[oongie]

I stand corrected loss of traction on WOT is at about lil over 4k ...

[aaronng]

I stand corrected loss of traction on WOT is at about lil over 4k ...

integral90 owned me.. :p

[craze]

How would the maxim headers compare with the toda ones? Similar gains or?

[oongie]

integral90 owned me.. :p

Ahh... not really coz under semi-WOT you lose traction at VTEC...
so you're both right in a sense... still experiencing the fun of high fuel consumption due to WOTing everywhere.:thumbsup:

[EUR003act]

The Euro doesn't enough torque to surpass the tyres grip except in 1st going slightly uphill. That's why it needs a sudden jump in torque to do so. That's what your RBC was doing before. Lose low rpm torque and gain high rpm torque, so the change is bigger when you hit 6000rpm.

lol im back online!! :D

lol i cant WOT 1st without losing traction on any surface above 3000rpm... lol

love it! :thumbsup:

[integral90]

lol im back online!! :D

lol i cant WOT 1st without losing traction on any surface above 3000rpm... lol

love it! :thumbsup:

Good to have you back :)

What does your car do in 1st now? Around 47km/h?

[Chris_F]

lol im back online!! :D

lol i cant WOT 1st without losing traction on any surface above 3000rpm... lol

love it! :thumbsup:

lol... that's psycho!

[EUR003act]

Good to have you back :)

What does your car do in 1st now? Around 47km/h?

ive got a stock gearbox in there at the moment... still trying to find replacement parts....

the si box did about 54km/hr in 1st tho...

[felixd]

is dat in the dry ? or wet ? when u got no traction ?

[integral90]

ive got a stock gearbox in there at the moment... still trying to find replacement parts....

the si box did about 54km/hr in 1st tho...

I'm gonna have to do some 1st gear punches from different RPM, see if I can lose traction from above 3k too :p

[EUR003act]

is dat in the dry ? or wet ? when u got no traction ?

dry ofcourse lol

wet you have no chance... lol

[euromandeluxe]

lol im back online!! :D

lol i cant WOT 1st without losing traction on any surface above 3000rpm... lol

love it! :thumbsup:

..time for some semi-slicks :p

[EUR003act]

..time for some semi-slicks :p

lol i wish i could afford!! lol

it should be fine once i get the LSD back in... then ill be able to launch like a tiger!

[felixd]

damm :) do u have dyno video on ur car :D luv to see it in action share wif us