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dudeling7
03-09-2008, 05:51 PM
Just got some 20mm wheels spacers that are bolt onto the hub but the thing is the original studs stick out a bit once the spacer is on.

i have talked to some workshops and they just said to cut down the original studs a little so the wheel can fit on.

how can i cut these down? just hack them off? or should i take it to a shop to do?

cheers.

dudeling7
03-09-2008, 08:56 PM
anyone?

T-onedc2
03-09-2008, 09:08 PM
I don't know I quite understand, I thought with the spacer on it would make the stud look shorter.
Anyway cutting threads usually messes up the thread at the very end making it difficult to screw the nut on without cross-threading.

Or am I missing something?

dudeling7
03-09-2008, 09:48 PM
its not just a slip on spacer. its 20mm so its fairly thick and has its own new studs on it that you use which are full in length. sorry if i wasnt clear.

its like this http://www.explorer4x4.com/wheel_spacer.JPG

but the existing studs go out further so i cant put the wheel onto the spacer whithout shortening the existing/original studs.

T-onedc2
03-09-2008, 09:56 PM
ok I get you now, hmmm....tough one, prob defectable if you cut them and defectable to have spacers on in the first place

dudeling7
03-09-2008, 10:00 PM
lol, yeh i know its defectable, but pretty much everything is these days isn't it.

ill prob jsut take it to a workshop that i know did this process and get them to cut the studs properly so i can actually get the nuts on them lol.

unless anyone has a proven technique?

T-onedc2
03-09-2008, 10:06 PM
If I were to do the job I'd put an open end nut on the thread all the way to the hub, grind off the excess unscrew the nut and apply gear/chain oil as it goes over the messy cut.

Do so at your own risk, I've only done this on electric motor parts and so on.

dudeling7
03-09-2008, 10:24 PM
when you say grind do you mean using an angle grider of somesort?

ive done something similar to this method you are describing on a friends shifter but yeh dunno if i wanna take the risk aha

T-onedc2
03-09-2008, 10:54 PM
yep that's what I had in mind

TALEB TYRES
03-09-2008, 11:56 PM
Ive done this before for custom jobs, DO NOT ATTEMPT if you are not comfortable with grinders and confined space.

Get your angle grinder, Go to supercheap or whatever and get the thinnest cutting wheel you can(ie something paper thin)(BE CAREFUL THIS shit will slice your finger off in a flash, ive had a few close grazes, if your not comfortable with a grinder dont even bother you WILL f it up).

Put your open ended wheel nut onto the stud, this is to make sure the cut is useable in case you mess it up, ie you can use the nut to fix the thread, depending on how good you are you may want to put a couple there just so you dont cut off too much of the stud.(ie use them as spacers when cutting).

Cut the studs level. Trust me if you grind wheel is too thick it will take ages and will be very messy, the thinner ones cut through in a second with no effort, you can do the whole car in 2 minutes!

Only take off as much as you have to, take your time and if you cut it well enough, it will be a clean cut which will hardly be noticbale it was cut in the 1st place. maybe practice on something before you go near the car with the grinder.

Ill say it again for all, Dont do it if your not comfortable with the tools.

Bludger
08-09-2008, 01:35 AM
Ive done this before for custom jobs, DO NOT ATTEMPT if you are not comfortable with grinders and confined space.

Get your angle grinder, Go to supercheap or whatever and get the thinnest cutting wheel you can(ie something paper thin)(BE CAREFUL THIS shit will slice your finger off in a flash, ive had a few close grazes, if your not comfortable with a grinder dont even bother you WILL f it up).

Put your open ended wheel nut onto the stud, this is to make sure the cut is useable in case you mess it up, ie you can use the nut to fix the thread, depending on how good you are you may want to put a couple there just so you dont cut off too much of the stud.(ie use them as spacers when cutting).

Cut the studs level. Trust me if you grind wheel is too thick it will take ages and will be very messy, the thinner ones cut through in a second with no effort, you can do the whole car in 2 minutes!

Only take off as much as you have to, take your time and if you cut it well enough, it will be a clean cut which will hardly be noticbale it was cut in the 1st place. maybe practice on something before you go near the car with the grinder.

Ill say it again for all, Dont do it if your not comfortable with the tools.don't buy cheapo angle grinder wheels.

I've had one totally shear off and then go flying off past my face.
heard it land 10 seconds later 2 houses away

you have been warned.

TALEB TYRES
08-09-2008, 10:06 PM
hmm ive never really had a problem with el-supercheap grinder wheels(they always seem to have the thinnest ones that i need), but your right, the better you can get them, the safer you are!

trism
08-09-2008, 10:24 PM
nah, ive had a cheap grinding disc fracture


its scary as shit

Bludger
08-09-2008, 10:25 PM
lol

try one fly past your face

thats scary

dudeling7
10-09-2008, 01:46 AM
got it all on haha looks crazy good

egSi
10-09-2008, 09:00 AM
got it all on haha looks crazy good


pics plz kevin :thumbsup:

dudeling7
10-09-2008, 02:27 PM
will get some pics soon :)

bungsai
11-09-2008, 09:51 PM
i would say your best bet is to get a 25mm spacer which will cover your entire stud, OR check your wheel, some wheels have recesses them so that they still sit flush with the hub....maybe post a bit of the back of your rim....

probably not the best idea to try grinding off bits of your stud

vinnY
11-09-2008, 10:45 PM
^no ones got the balls to run 25mm like you bungsai :p

i still haven't gotten mine on yet :( damn laziness + cold weather!

dudeling7
11-09-2008, 11:53 PM
haha i got the 20mm on now, wish i went with 25mm though, maybe next time ill get them done.

anyone want a set of 20mm spacers? make those wheels hella flush!

Tegzieboi_BAR
12-06-2009, 02:44 PM
lol i kno im ridicilously late with a reply here but i dont understand y the hell u didnt just knock the wheels studs out of the hub, could have re'used them later if need be... if its a pressed hub coulda gone 2 any wheel/suspension shop 2 do it.

vinnY
12-06-2009, 02:53 PM
what are you on about?
the spacers bolt on to the original studs so you need them to be in there so the spacer can bolt on to them

Tegzieboi_BAR
12-06-2009, 05:54 PM
oh i c, my bad, was under the impression it bolts onto the hub without the use of existing studs... how embarrasing

dudeling7
13-06-2009, 07:18 PM
lol nah man u slip it into your existing studs and bolt them on...then the spacers have 4 new studs in which you mount the wheels.

had these for a good 6 months or more and running strong, got them machined and made sure everything is hubcentric :) running a 25mm atm

Sir_vtec
14-06-2009, 12:38 PM
LOL You shouldnt be grinding off a stud at all. Like T-onedc2 mention it messes up the threads. Even though you think grinding is the only option left u have, its your wheels that is the problem which makes it suitable for hubcentric spacers or not. Because some wheels werent design for hub centric spacers they dont have the extra stud holes for the studs to go through when you bolt on a hub centric spacer.

For example if you looks at the sprint hart cpr wheels in the pic below you can see that they have the lug nut stud holes then holes which are there for spacer studs. So it explains why you have those holes on your wheels for those who have those extra holes on their wheels.
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/8620/1954515rtyressize.jpg

And another wheel which hasnt got these extra holes
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1073/001lji.jpg

Most aftermarket wheels which hasnt has got these holes are multipiece wheels so you can take them apart and change the lips and barrels to change the offset to avoid running spacers

dudeling7
14-06-2009, 02:29 PM
what are you going on about...??? you can fit those work meisters on bolt on spacers no problems....the extra stud holes are for a different pcd.

its fine to take off part of the stud if you do it correctly, just use an angle grinder and go at it straight with a nut bolted all the way down, take off what you need then undo the nut all the way off to make sure that the stud maintains its ability to screw on and your done.

bolt on the spacer which has new studs on it then bolt on the wheel easy as that.

you just have to make sure to be safe that the spacer to hub connection is hubcentric and then the wheel to spacer connection is also hubcentric to ensure that all the loads are able to be tolerated and there are no balance problems.

Sir_vtec
14-06-2009, 03:26 PM
The pcd is within range to clear a stud sticking out of the hubcentric spacer. those are there to clear the main studs on the hub that is sticking out after you have mounted the hubcentric spacer over.

You could mount any wheels on without those extra holes if you fit a spacers that was THICK ENOUGH to cover the original studs on the hub and the nut that secures the hubcentric spacer to the main studs on the hub, so you dont have to go hacking any shit off. Its a matter of how you do it, obvisious its not encouraging to go hack off a piece of the main stud that is on your hub arm. I understand you could probably clean cut the stud without messing the threads if you do it right but there is always a chance of messing up the threads on the stud.

And IF you did mess up the threads when angle grinding it off just to fit like a 15mm hubcentric space, and in future if you chose to not run the hubcentric spacer you ll be going back to some messed up studs and its a headache to replace by pressing out the hub.

My point is you shouldnt be angle grinding it at first thats why you have wheels with the extra holes to clear the studs.

Alexx
14-06-2009, 03:55 PM
Agree with sir_vtec here. Cutting down your studs means you are basically limited to using wheels with a spacer - and when you get a wheel that fits perfectly without the use of a spacer, you are left with shorter studs which is not a good idea.

Alternative, is to do what what you can see here, and modify the wheel to fit over the spacer/spacer nuts. Bear in mind these wheels came off a race car, and have been tried and tested out on the track over the course of a full season. Its safe.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n139/41exz/FNs006.jpg

I guess its not a problem to cut the studs if you are intending to always use the spacer. But that limits your choice in wheel specs.

Sir_vtec
14-06-2009, 04:04 PM
Ghetto wheel modification Alex, worked a treat :thumbsup: :cool:

Alexx
14-06-2009, 07:10 PM
You know it, fits perfectly over a 20mm bolt on spacer :p



.the extra stud holes are for a different pcd.


For the record, the extra holes in that CPR are not for a different pcd. If you look closely, you will see they they are simply holes, and do not have any form of 'seat' for a wheel nut. They are there specifically as a provision for studs/bolts coming through to the wheel from the use of a spacer. With that design, you could even run extended studs on the hub if you wished, and still get away with throwing a bolt on spacer on top. The studs would just poke through the holes.

dudeling7
14-06-2009, 11:59 PM
ahhh ok thats pretty awesome, i didnt know that wheels accomodate that :)

i see what you mean, that its always better not to have to hack thing apart etc, i guess when it comes to finding a new set of actual low offset wheels though then ill just get some arp lugs and swap them out. but yes understand what you guys are saying now