Ceiling trim coming off on civic sport

[MPR55CIV]

For anyone here who has the civic sport, anyone have the ceiling trim come off? Both driver and passenger sides where the trim meets the rubber edge/window. I have taken it back to Honda and they said its because of the airbags which stretches it so they tucked it back in. 2 days later it comes back out again.

Any thoughts?

[SPEEDCORE]

Any thoughts?

Take it back again...

[MPR55CIV]

Thanks Speedcore...LOL

I was wanting to know if anyone had the same problem or is it only me. And if so what did they do to fix it as I will be taking it back this week.

Cheers

[triode12]

Yes, but only a 1cm section above the driver's side door. This is bec the mechanic didn't shove it back in after installing the bluetooth appliance.

They tried tucking it back in on the first service but it has since come out again.

[denot]

hmm not too sure what you mean here... any pics?

[Nax]

i know what he means, but generally its caused by moisture seeping into the car and effecting the glue/adhesive, did u leave ur windows open on a cold night or anything like that?

[cracker]

take it back again...

why didnt i think of that!?!?!

[MPR55CIV]

Thanks for the replies.

Its like stitches have come undone. where the cloth meets the rubber and tucks under it just above the side of your head. 1cm in size.

Honda said they will have to replace the whole ceiling trim. i don't like the idea of that as it may fall apart after a few years.

I don't know what to do. Should I go ahead with it?

Cheers

[SPEEDCORE]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v698/SPEEDCORE/Worf_notagain.gif

[Nax]

if u dont wanna replace it do a DIY, then replace it in another year when that fails :)

[MPR55CIV]

Look Speedcore, I'm kinda new to this so if you think I'm being stupid then u don't have to reply. Simple as that. Its not compulsary that u have to reply. if u have no comment or u think its stupid then ignore it.
the reason why I'm asking here is that its a Honda forum and maybe someone here does have the same issue and had got it fixed and I just want to know what was done to fix it. And if someone here did have the whole trim replaced what was the outcome? Good or bad? i don't even know why u have the need to reply with those comments and gestures?

Thanks to those who replied with good intentions.

[Nax]

lol ull learn quickly man, half the people on here dont actually help anyone and just like to spam shit to make people look like idiots, ignore the dickheads, sift thro to the good info, and in most cases, just call up a dealership/interrior place and they will give u better advice anyways:D

[SPEEDCORE]

The dealership is offering to fix your problem properly now by replacing the whole roof lining... not just trying to stuff the trim back in..... yet you are questioning that?

Jesus some people are hard to please.

[Sherweeeny]

if my civics trim came undone, id leave the car at the dealership and tell them to call me when its fixed. simple as that.

when u have a warranty, use it! the trims not supposed to come off, honda has backed its cars up with a 3(?) year warranty, if you dont have to pay to get it fixed, then give them a car, if your warranty has run out, take it to an interior trimmers, they have strong glue and get them to glue it, should cost less than $100 depending on what and how much of it has to be done

[denot]

^^^ agree... if you doesnt want it to be fixed, take the whole roof of and make it a convertible :p

[MPR55CIV]

The dealership is offering to fix your problem properly now by replacing the whole roof lining... not just trying to stuff the trim back in..... yet you are questioning that?

Jesus some people are hard to please.

If your roof was falling apart, wouldn't you also be reluctant to let the dealers pull the whole trim off? It would no longer be from factory.

Of course i will have to take it back to dealer but i'm not sure if they will do a good job. Saying dealer will fix it doesn't mean it will be fixed properly as I've had MANY bad experiences with dealers. They can make it worst.

Anyway...i'll be taking it back to the dealer and see how it goes. Got a real bad feeling about this though.

Cheers

[SPEEDCORE]

Let us know how you go.

[jezza323]

if they dont do it properly, you can go back and make them do it again, or do it better. thats the whole point of a warranty

[Zdster]

If your roof was falling apart, wouldn't you also be reluctant to let the dealers pull the whole trim off? It would no longer be from factory.

Of course i will have to take it back to dealer but i'm not sure if they will do a good job. Saying dealer will fix it doesn't mean it will be fixed properly as I've had MANY bad experiences with dealers. They can make it worst.

Anyway...i'll be taking it back to the dealer and see how it goes. Got a real bad feeling about this though.

Cheers

Why wouldnt it be still from the factory? Tell them you want a factory roof liner to replace the existing one.

[MPR55CIV]

Yeah I hope they do it right the first time.

My last car I had was a Corolla Sportivo which had a paint defect on the drivers door.
I had taken the car back 5 times for them to have it resprayed which resulted in half the car being sprayed from front to back to blend the colour. That saga took 6 months and the end result was not even right. that's what i mean by stuffing it up and most dealers have contractors to do the work for them which means its not from factory. it could be some dodgy small business doing it for cheap labour.

Hope it won't be as much drama as Toyota.

[SPEEDCORE]

Just out of curiosity... was this paint issue on the yota upon delivery of the car or after you had driven it off the lot that you noticed it?

[MPR55CIV]

Why wouldnt it be still from the factory? Tell them you want a factory roof liner to replace the existing one.

I've seen with my previous car that they use contractors for almost everything.

The material may be genuine but the labour is done by contractors. I won't be surprised that the material is not genuine as well.

Almost every service they provide are carried out by contractors.

[MPR55CIV]

Just out of curiosity... was this paint issue on the yota upon delivery of the car or after you had driven it off the lot that you noticed it?

the day i picked it up was a cloudy day. U wouldn't be able to see the faulty paint work.
basically the fault was a ring of non metallic paint on the drivers side door. the rest of the car has sparkles except for a patch the size of a soccer ball. Only a couple of days later did i notice it in the sun. and there is no way i could have done that myself by polishing it, not that i did polish it in the first week. There was no way that they could have blamed it on me. It was faulty paintwork which they had to accept.

[Zdster]

I've seen with my previous car that they use contractors for almost everything.

The material may be genuine but the labour is done by contractors. I won't be surprised that the material is not genuine as well.

Almost every service they provide are carried out by contractors.

So you are saying that if you want your head liner replaced with another factory head liner they are going to outsource the job? If they are replacing the head liner they will not have to do anything with the material at all.

Your final comment is also plain wrong. If you take your car into Honda for a standard service they are not outsourcing to a contractor, they do it in house.

[warwick108]

can you post a picture of the damage?

[panda[cRx]]

So you are saying that if you want your head liner replaced with another factory head liner they are going to outsource the job? If they are replacing the head liner they will not have to do anything with the material at all.

Your final comment is also plain wrong. If you take your car into Honda for a standard service they are not outsourcing to a contractor, they do it in house.

correct honda does not outsource warranty work except for panel repairs which is usuallly done by the local dealer's recommended shop if the dealer does not have a panel shop themselves

any parts replaced under warranty are honda oem

dunno where u pulled that from mpr55civ :confused:

[MPR55CIV]

Sorry except for normal service and mechanical work. I thought u guys would have known this. Don't think that they do all their work.
I'm talking bout tinting, alarms, sunroofs, panel and paint work etc. The trimming most prob will be done by some interior trimmer. Honda don't have interior trimmers handy everyday at their exposal. It all gets outsourced. The guy at Honda said he will order the material in, and its gonna happen this Thursday. Do u honestly think that the mechanics in the garage are pros at trimming? They might have a crack at it and hope for the best. Or they will book in a trimmer who will do it for them.

I'm just saying that when things get pulled apart they never come back the same. And i think most people would have the same concerns as i would. It will never be the same.

I will go out and take some pics for u guys to see.

[ksyu223]

Mate, it's a Civic! be a man and slam the lining back in when it comes off.

[MPR55CIV]

This is the drivers side

http://http://image-cache.ozhonda.com/gallery/uploads/22319/trim1.jpg

This is passenger side:

http://http://image-cache.ozhonda.com/gallery/uploads/22319/trim2.jpg

LOL....Trust me I have slammed it in already. It just keeps coming out.

[MPR55CIV]

Sorry, still new to this. Pics aren't coming up.

Try this clicking on this link or copy and paste:

http://image-cache.ozhonda.com/gallery/uploads/22319/trim1.jpg

http://image-cache.ozhonda.com/gallery/uploads/22319/trim2.jpg

[SPEEDCORE]

In that 2nd pic..... is the bit that has pulled out the end of the fabric?

Or has it still got more material under the plastic trim?

[WookieCivic]

Thanks for sharing your issue MPR55CIV.

As a new Civic Sports owner (picked the car up 4 days ago), i now have something to look out for. However, if i were you, i'd definitely take it back to Honda and leave it there until it's fixed. They should be able to give you a courtesy car to if you push them for one.

On a side note, I'll be mentioning to Honda about the water leaking into my boot on my 1k service. When i open the boot, water drips down the hinges and into the boot. Anyone else have this issue?

[MPR55CIV]

In that 2nd pic..... is the bit that has pulled out the end of the fabric?

Or has it still got more material under the plastic trim?

Apparently that is the end of the fabric. According to the mechanic he said that that these sports model have this issue because of the side airbags in there. The material is too short to wrap around and tuck under. I'm not sure if I can believe that it is a common problem now. Looks like no one else has this issue and its only me.

I don't know what it is with me and new cars :confused:
This is not the first "one in a million" problem that has happened with new cars I bought.
The list is way too long to mention.

[Zdster]

Sorry except for normal service and mechanical work. I thought u guys would have known this. Don't think that they do all their work.
I'm talking bout tinting, alarms, sunroofs, panel and paint work etc. The trimming most prob will be done by some interior trimmer. Honda don't have interior trimmers handy everyday at their exposal. It all gets outsourced. The guy at Honda said he will order the material in, and its gonna happen this Thursday. Do u honestly think that the mechanics in the garage are pros at trimming? They might have a crack at it and hope for the best. Or they will book in a trimmer who will do it for them.

I'm just saying that when things get pulled apart they never come back the same. And i think most people would have the same concerns as i would. It will never be the same.

I will go out and take some pics for u guys to see.

1. Panda works at a dealership so I would take his word for it.
2. I dont see why they are ordering 'material' at all. They should be ordering an entire head liner. As such, they dont have to be an expert in trimming, they just have to install it.

You are really making a moutain out of a mole hill here :zip:.



I don't know what it is with me and new cars :confused:
This is not the first "one in a million" problem that has happened with new cars I bought.
The list is way too long to mention.

We are not talking about your engine falling out of the car. I dont think I know of any new cars that dont have some niggling issue. Just take it back to the dealership and get them to fix it. Simple.

[SPEEDCORE]

2. I dont see why they are ordering 'material' at all. They should be ordering an entire head liner. As such, they dont have to be an expert in trimming, they just have to install it.

Exactly. You have like the big panel with thin sponge covering it, then the material which is then stretched and fixed into place on the other side with glue etc (I've had staples & glue on a couple cars that I've taken the trim out of).

My guess what has possibly happened with your headlining is that the glue did not hold it in place properly, because it was cut to short from the start so not enough contact area on the other side of your headlining for a secure bond.

I can understand you are getting worried given you seem to have had a run of bad luck with new cars.... but this is really an easy fix compared to something like the paint on the rolla. That paint thing is bizzare to say the least (non metalic patch)..... I know of cars getting knocked about during transportation on and off ships etc.. but usually they get fixed impecably by spray shops who see regular work from the dealership. I drive past a spray shop on the way to work every morning who seem to constantly have brand new Mazdas there that do not seem to have not been involved in accidents.

Then again... I can not confirm if they are doing paint/panel repairs on these new cars or are just purely contracted to take the paint protection sticky plastic from the factory and detail the cars.

Anyway... I would not be hesitating to get the headlining replaced given it is quite simple to do.... with little chance of anything else going wrong as a result of the repair.

[MPR55CIV]

I can say that I seen it myself.

When I bought my Corolla Sportivo from Peter Warren i had my Alarm installed by them. The sales man actually took me up to the workshop to pick up my car which was not ready yet. Up at the workshop they had contractors doing everything from Alarms, tinting, reverse sensors, upholstery ,audio systems and GPS. And for those of you who know Peter Warren they have delarships for Honda, Toyota, merc, Ford, daihatsu, etc. They did the jobs for all these manufacturers there in that one workshop. The alarm guy was installing a rhino which I know costs them around $100 or less and they charge me $600. so its not really genuine Honda that your getting. Its just contractros doing stuff for them using their own products.

i also asked about sunroof when I was buying the car and asked how it gets installed as it doesn't come as standard for the corolla. They actually take the car to the sunroof specialists and get them installed. So its not a Toyota sunroof. When the car is shipped to you it comes standard. if you want the options added, depending on what it is they have contractors doing it.

When it comes to warranty work on these issues they wouldn't have these people handy paying them a weekly wage for them to be there everyday to work on these repairs. they will book them in to come to the dealer to do the repair work or they might drive your car to their place and leave it there.

But if u think that they do then its fine, U can think that way.

My guess is that the trimming will be done by a upholster.

[MPR55CIV]

And why is it that u take every word I say and make a mountain out of it?

there are some things that I may have not explained myself clearly which I think is too obvious to even mention. And that's where u guys take that and create a mountain of it.

Obviously service and mechanical work is done by Honda, that's too obvious to even state, and ur saying "Where did I pull that one from?"

[Zdster]

But if u think that they do then its fine, U can think that way.


I dont think it, I know it!

You really need to go and talk to a Honda dealership. Yes they outsource non-oem items to other shops/experts/contractors (all dealerships do this). But OEM items are installed by dealerships. The other point is you have a warranty, so if it isnt right keep taking it back until it is.


When it comes to warranty work on these issues they wouldn't have these people handy paying them a weekly wage for them to be there everyday to work on these repairs. they will book them in to come to the dealer to do the repair work or they might drive your car to their place and leave it there.

They are called Honda technicians. They are employeed to service cars and look after warranty work. They are employeed full time. I think you are getting confused - there is no difference between the mechanics and warranty/service people. They are all one and the same.



My guess is that the trimming will be done by a upholster.

If they are simply replacing the headliner, which is what should be happening, then they wont be wasting their time getting an upholsterer to do it - it will be done in house by the service department.

[Zdster]

Obviously service and mechanical work is done by Honda, that's too obvious to even state, and ur saying "Where did I pull that one from?"

Exactly. And so is 'warranty' work. It is all the same friggen thing!


And why is it that u take every word I say and make a mountain out of it?

there are some things that I may have not explained myself clearly which I think is too obvious to even mention. And that's where u guys take that and create a mountain of it.


This is a simple warranty issue. It is not like they are going to have to rip into your engine. They just have to pull out the old head liner and replace it. That is not a big deal, but yet you are making a big one out of it . . .

[MPR55CIV]

All the guys in the workshop were contrators! the salesman told me. and the alarm guy said so as well. how is it that I'm mistaken here?

Anyway....i don't even wanna get into this conversation any more. Useless!

Well lets put it this way. Different dealers have different methods. OK???

[Zdster]

All the guys in the workshop were contrators! the salesman told me. and the alarm guy said so as well. how is it that I'm mistaken here?


We are talking about HONDA dealerships - not Toyota.



Anyway....i don't even wanna get into this conversation any more. Useless!

Well lets put it this way. Different dealers have different methods. OK???

No, it is not ok. You are wrong. Did you not read anything Panda wrote on the last page? He is one of a few people on here that work for Honda dealerships and they will all tell you the same thing. "Honda does not outsource warranty work except for panel repairs"

[MPR55CIV]

Dude...i don't wanna get into this. they cannot afford to pay someone to be there when everyday. how often do they get warranty work on upholstery or alarms or sunroofs? Once in a month? once a week?

U figure it out.

[Zdster]

Dude...i don't wanna get into this. they cannot afford to pay someone to be there when everyday. how often do they get warranty work on upholstery or alarms or sunroofs? Once in a month? once a week?

U figure it out.

I have figured it out - I think you are the one that hasnt.

I cant believe how many times I have to say this or reinterate someone elses point:

"Honda does not outsource warranty work except for panel repairs"

The repairs are done inhouse my Honda technicians/mechanics. These people are employed full time.

[MPR55CIV]

[QUOTE=Zdster;1886305]We are talking about HONDA dealerships - not Toyota.

Did I not say Peter Warren has Honda, Ford, Merc, Toyota etc. The contractors were doing work for all manufaturers in Peter Warren's workshop including HONDA!

Honda cannot fix everything. They are not God's of "fixing". They need specialists to do other work not just panel beating alone. I'm just gonna leave it at that!

[Zdster]

Did I not say Peter Warren has Honda, Ford, Merc, Toyota etc. The contractors were doing work for all manufaturers in Peter Warren's workshop including HONDA!

Honda cannot fix everything. They are not God's of "fixing". They need specialists to do other work not just panel beating alone. I'm just gonna leave it at that!

Have you even been into the dealership and asked them who is going to do the work?

So you dont think that Honda are specialists at producing and maintaining their own product?

If an OEM item is malfunctioning, you dont think that Honda would fix it? We are not talking about an aftermarket sunroof fitted through the dealers, we are talking about a standard manufactured piece.

[Nax]

fraid zdster is right man, honda takes care of almost all the work accept for things deamed "aftermarket" like SOME sunroofs, paint, dints, etc.

ur right, they do outsource, but something like upholstry could be done in the workshop, less the one u go to is strange or part time or something like that

honda is very careful about outsourcing work because they like to be known for quality and u know what they say, if u want it done right, do it yourself

and just so u know, I work for a honda dealer

[MPR55CIV]

Have you even been into the dealership and asked them who is going to do the work?

So you dont think that Honda are specialists at producing and maintaining their own product?

If an OEM item is malfunctioning, you dont think that Honda would fix it? We are not talking about an aftermarket sunroof fitted through the dealers, we are talking about a standard manufactured piece.

I'm not saying that I know everything about how they operate.

I can definitely say that there are some things about the cars they cannot do themselves. they are not trained to do that. Why would they train someone in upholstery when it doesn't happen often? Prob 1 out of 20 cars. Can't you see the logic in that?

And I don't know if they will risk one of their techs to do it. Maybe there might be someone there who will put their hand up and say I'll do it. maybe he's done it before, who knows. They might have a crack and if I don't like the end result they will get a contarctor to do it. They might plan it that way.

The cars come off the boat from the factory. So that's the stock standard car that you get. They don't have an assembly line in the dealer to put things back again. the techs are just normal mechanics/techs like you find at a local garage. Then they have 2 or 3 senior techs who really know their sh!t on the mechanical side (doesn't mean they know upholstery as well). And there would be a few apprentices as well. That's basically the team. Once in a while a regional senior tech comes out to the dealer to explain new campaigns and recalls and show them a few new things they will have to fix for new problems.

How do I know this? because i been through a lot of sh!t with warranty repairs etc. I spoken to the senior techs also the regional tech for Toyota. The regional tech plays dumb and says he couldn't find a problem. Ended up with me emailing and speaking to national customer service manager which she followed up with Toyota tech team in Melbourne. She emailed me a letter to take to the dealer to advise of the solution and the fix.

i'm pretty sure Honda works the same way or similar.

So you tell me whether they know it all or not!

[MPR55CIV]

Nax: In the case of replacing the roof lining, what would ur dealer do? Would they do it themself?

And if so, is there a specialist to do it? Or would it be some ordinary mechanic attempting to do it.

[Zdster]

So you tell me whether they know it all or not!

Did you even bother to read the posts from the two people who have already posted here that WORK FOR HONDA???? Even if you dont take my word for it I think they would have some idea!

Also, as I have said about 300 times already in this thread, it should not be upholstery work at all. It is taking out one head liner and replacing it with another. Do you even know what the head liner is?

[quenjose]

why dont you just send it to Honda to get it fixed...
and then find out for yourself if your theory is correct firsthand?

Whether or not you're right or wrong, who cares?
As long as the repair gets done properly, then problem solved.

[WookieCivic]

I have figured it out - I think you are the one that hasnt.

I cant believe how many times I have to say this or reinterate someone elses point:

"Honda does not outsource warranty work except for panel repairs"

The repairs are done inhouse my Honda technicians/mechanics. These people are employed full time.

Ummm, does tinting come under panel repairs? Coz i had contractors fix my tinting. Acually, i know for a fact that Tint Professor does quite a few Honda dealerships tinting as well as other European car dealers.

[EK9]

lol this is funny... you guys seem to be arguing about 2 different things.

warranty repairs would obviously be done by Honda... if it happens to be a defective lining, it would simply be a replacement part that's re-bolted into the car. no trimming, no upholstering, no genius or specialist needed to install this... i'm sure the Honda mechanics are qualified to do this kinda work - if they can't, they would definitely have the resources to get it done properly.

y would u outsource a factory repair and risk the reputation of a global enterprise?

as for outsourcing, this would more likely be for aftermarket parts that are installed at the dealer. it's obvious isn't it? if it didn't come off the boat with window tint or alarm and is installed by the dealer, this is a dealer aftermarket item - hence of course it's outsourced. way back when we bought our Civic, we had tint put on my Ming - Honda approved but still outsourced. same would go for alarms, gps, etc.. if you didn't order it then it's installed later.

also Toyota are way different to Honda - apples and oranges.

[MPR55CIV]

I do apologize if I'm wrong.

My main reason for starting this thread was to know if anyone has had the same problem and what they've done. Not to debate.
Reason why i state that contractor will be doing it was based on past experience and what I seen. My concern is that it will have to be replaced which may not result in original quality or workmanship. And I'm sure some people here would understand my concerns.

Nax: i'd still like to know whether ur dealer would have some specialist come to do it or one of your mechanics would try an attempt on it.

Cheers

[warwick108]

just wondering.. this is about the interior.. can you get the civic sports in black leathers? or is it only the retarded gray leather?

[WookieCivic]

just wondering.. this is about the interior.. can you get the civic sports in black leathers? or is it only the retarded gray leather?

Oi! I like my retarded leather!

[MistaHonda]

Hi MPR55CIV,

Yes other have had this same problem. My best friend got one of the first Civic Sprots into the country and had the exact same problem as you are having. Along with that he also had problems with the ipod connector that was installed and the boot leakage problem.

So to answer your question there are others out there that have encounted the same/simular problems that you have.

In my friends case it was all fixed quickly thorugh the dealer at no charge.

Oh and warwick108 the gray leather isn't too bad. You get use to it quickly but i would personally prefer black.

[denot]

^^^ mista honda... AFAIK, "one of the first Civic Sprots into the country" is the 2006 model? that doesnt come with IPOD Connector.... :confused:

[Sherweeeny]

at the end of the day... WHO GIVES A SHIT, send the stupid thing back, get it fixed and stop argueing with people over what is done by who.

and you are wrong. Honda would do it themselves.

[MistaHonda]

Yes i am aware that the 2006 Civic sport didn't come with an ipod adapter. It was an 'aftermaket' item installed by honda before delivery was make, along with the bass works speakers.

I didn't clearly state that i was just listing the faults that my friend encounted with his Civic Sport when he first got it. Nothing more nothing less.

[warwick108]

wait.. my question has still not been answered.. is it possible to get the civic sports in black leather?.. =S.. oem black leather.. not aftermark

[SPEEDCORE]

Highjack the thread much??? :rolleyes:

No you can't get black.... now GTFO.

[SPEEDCORE]

Has this issue been resolved?

Interested to hear the outcome....

[Sherweeeny]

Highjack the thread much??? :rolleyes:

No you can't get black.... now GTFO.

ive actually seen a civic sport on carsales with a full black interior. shat all over the grey interior us newer version kids are stuck with.
but then again, thats a different thread in itself

[warwick108]

i saw a civic sports in richmand.. with full black leather. =S.. thats why i asked the question

[triode12]

Hmmm, this has me thinking... I wonder if dealers can spec cars individually direct from Honda. What I mean for example is, I wonder if a dealer can order a bunch of FD2s with black leather instead of the grey.

I say this because, I drove my wife's company Civic Hybrid one time and it came with a tan leather interior (Standard Hybrids come with textile interiors). I can't see her company spending extra (or bothering) to fit aftermarket leather seats in their cars and these looked exactly like the factory seats.

P.S. I also remember Tynan offering a special on FD1s with leather seats earlier in the year.

[ricksta]

I would also like to know if this has been fixed and who through. Peter Warren?

[triode12]

You should take it back to your dealer. Warranty issue.