EK Sedan: GLI vs VTI

[85[H]accord]

I have noticed from different sources that the EK sedans (GLi vs VTi)have very similar specs... power and torque differ by less than 4kW/Nm...

In fact most sources point to the VTi being about 50kg heavier, which pure numbers suggest would make it slower!

So what's the real story here guys?

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[hisoka]

lol which ever ones cheaper and looks better condition, as you have said your self there around the same KW and both pretty slow. if engine swapping just go for the one that is in better condition body wise and interior wise.

you will probably choose vti, its got vtec noise but usually more K's.

[D16EK1]

the Vti version of the Ek sedan is just more fuel economical, the v-tec on the D-series is just to save fuel by having 3 valves engaged in the lower rpm region (so anything below 3000rpm) and once over, the 4th valve is engaged, personally i don't believe it makes such a difference, its just like 3k worth of "bling" that gives you a few more hp that doesn't make a big difference in performance and you can barely hear v-tec engaged in D-series motors compared to the B's.

[85[H]accord]

Was actually leaning towards GLI... reasons?
cleaner
lower km
unmolested/unmodded
probably less thrashed/easier to find granny cars
less complex

but it's just one of a number of options i'm looking at.

[hisoka]

yer man just get what ever one has better condition. could be vti or gli. is any interior features different. like power windows sunroof and that.

[D16EK1]

Gli's is like the Vti cept V-tec Yo is like activated constantly

[chauster]

What engine is the vti?

I got a ek1, gli sedan. fine. kinda loud engine but its done 180,000kms
its pretty slow no power no hill. just no power at all really....

[hisoka]

d16y1 ? correct if wrong. pretty booring engine. like real gutless. sometimes you feel cool on the take off, like you have b series. until you actually line up a b series

[LiKPiC]

4kw will hardly make a difference.
also, i dont think there are any Vti in manual. They are all auto or cvt.

[LiKPiC]

you can find the details on both cars on the honda website (find brochures for older models)

other than the difference in engine and transmission,

Vti has centre console with dual cup holder
Gli does not

Vti has centre armrest with storage
Gli does not

Vti wheels are 185/60 R14
Gli wheels are 175/65 R14

Vti has ABS
Gli does not

[Raztaz]

i have driven both the EK GLi and VTi sedans. they feel the same. GLi's are easier to find in a good condition and easier to bargain a good price for. imo go for the GLi.
and the VTi sedan did in fact come i na 5 speed MT model, but no normal auto, CVT instead. GLi is 5sp MT or 4sp AT.

My GLi has center console with dual cup holders hehe

[twing]

What engine is the vti?

I got a ek1, gli sedan. fine. kinda loud engine but its done 180,000kms
its pretty slow no power no hill. just no power at all really....

EK Vti engine number is D16Y5. EK Gli is D16Y4.
Power wise, they both produce 88 Kw.

I will choose Vti anyday, not because of the VTEC, but the ABS.

Only Vti pre-facelift (pre 1998) comes in auto/manual. Post facelift, they all come in CVT only.

[Raztaz]

lol yeh the ABS would give some peice of mind lol, ther have been 2 instances now where ABS would of been handy instead of me sliding to a stop in the wet.

[D16EK1]

did the vti version come with abs? but then it comes down to when abs fails and its another light that flashes on ur cluster and its gonna get some $$$ out of your pocket.

[twing]

I haven't heard that many ABS failed in this forum.
Eventhough it's failed, the money spend to fix it is really worth it.

[D16EK1]

true. abs and many parts on the older cars last alot longer than they do in the newer cars, like a 4 year old mazda 6 done about 60,000k's had a busted fuel pump and had to get that replaced, and this happend right after warrenty ended and so far i havent heard of any fuel pump problems with the civics

[chauster]

My GLi has center console with dual cup holders hehe

You fail gtfo. vti are much harder to find than gli. Gli's are everywhere. I remember searching for ages i found only a few decent Vti's but the sellers were all so dodgey.

I'd get vti cause you really need the ABS and those cup holders >< Will save you 150$ installing a new ones. lol

[D16EK1]

can't you practically use most of the internals from the Vti-r anyways, like red stitched shift boot, the recaros, the console if needed?

[THRILR]

Gli dont compare to EG Vti...Different car.. different price



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[nd55]

> Power wise, they both produce 88 Kw.

D16Y5 96kW
D16Y4 88kW

Y4 ECU is a Oz specific bastard child, which doesn't play well if you wish to do obd1 conversion.

> can't you practically use most of the internals from the Vti-r anyways, like red stitched shift boot, the recaros, the console if needed?

Yes, they are the same chassis.

Arm rest is the best addition IMHO. $100 from wreckers.

> Gli's is like the Vti cept V-tec Yo is like activated constantly

errr, no.

Y4 redlines similar to the Y5, but it runs out of puff well before.

Biggest diff IMHO is Honda's habit of installing different gear ratios in the different models.

Y5 manual engine, has 40mm axles bearings and better gear ratios.

The 40mm axles bearings are important, cause you can fit the best single upgrade, being a aftermarket helical LSD.

Y4's have 35mm axles bearings and no option to fit a LSD.

Nick.

[Monotube_DX]

Y5 manual engine, has 40mm axles bearings and better gear ratios.

The 40mm axles bearings are important, cause you can fit the best single upgrade, being a aftermarket helical LSD.

Y4's have 35mm axles bearings and no option to fit a LSD.

Nick.

1) What do you mean by Y4 and Y5? Which gen (EG/EK) and year Civics have 40mm axles?

2) I'm from the U.S. and almost ready to buy a Civic. There are only three things important to me...the car has AC, ABS and the capacity to install an LSD without a transmission swap. Which civic should I buy (year, model)? Thank you.

[carayan]

1) What do you mean by Y4 and Y5? Which gen (EG/EK) and year Civics have 40mm axles?

2) I'm from the U.S. and almost ready to buy a Civic. There are only three things important to me...the car has AC, ABS and the capacity to install an LSD without a transmission swap. Which civic should I buy (year, model)? Thank you.


14-10-2008 01:07 PM

nice.