View Full Version : 250hp atw, whats the best way to go?
dauno
22-09-2008, 05:58 PM
I've got a 95 EG5 VTi, with the d16 SOHC. Its getting a bit tired tho, after 275 xxx on the clock.
My target is to get 250hp out of it, but i dont know if its worth rebuilding this motor and going turbo? or maybe get a B series, work it and keep it na?
I know its probably more a matter of personal preference, but im just trying to find out the best way to do it?
thanks heaps
nick_sixx
22-09-2008, 06:08 PM
h22a. ~220hp stock and go from there. or fjc bottom end kit+turbo. otherwise buy a skyline
dauno
22-09-2008, 06:12 PM
ok thanks, what sort of $$$ you reckon for the bottom end kit and turbo?
DLO01
22-09-2008, 06:22 PM
You can acheive that with a stock B18C (ITR) or B18C (VTIR), even a B16A2, with a decent turbo setup. :thumbsup:
moo moo nel
22-09-2008, 06:31 PM
buy a EVO
dauno
22-09-2008, 06:32 PM
You can acheive that with a stock B18C (ITR) or B18C (VTIR), even a B16A2, with a decent turbo setup. :thumbsup:
ah ok nice. B16 turbo sounds nice haha
is it worth trying to get this sort of power out of a D16?
DLO01
22-09-2008, 06:57 PM
Depend if you think it is worthy. Most would think not.
nick_sixx
22-09-2008, 07:06 PM
you would have difficulty getting 250hp from an NA b16...and the money you spend on a front cut + labour would cover a turbo kit and bottom end build for a d-series. otherwiese b18c ftmfw
dauno
22-09-2008, 07:13 PM
yeah thats true :D
thaaznboi
22-09-2008, 07:47 PM
b18c7 + mods..!!!!!!
dauno
22-09-2008, 08:08 PM
seems like a new motor is the way to go lol
55EXX
23-09-2008, 07:53 AM
new motor is a given. h22a torque ftw but handling ftl b18 good overall
VTECMACHINE
23-09-2008, 10:09 AM
Power isn't everything.
Just don't forget what comes with more power... Brakes, suspension, engineering (maybe) etc etc... don't forget the other 'hidden' costs.
Limbo
23-09-2008, 01:51 PM
hmm lets see that's about 180kw, your looking at getting a rebuilt D series + Turbo (its gonna need alot of work to make that type of power) or a B series + turbo.
Better off starting with the B18 and boosting that.
yuentinlon
23-09-2008, 02:07 PM
so... i got a question here ... with a health D16 with greddy turbo kit...
will i be able to get about 200hp with stock internal or few mods ????
Limbo
23-09-2008, 03:03 PM
so... i got a question here ... with a health D16 with greddy turbo kit...
will i be able to get about 200hp with stock internal or few mods ????
don't think so. You will need to rebuild a D series to reach that.
a B series will make that though on stock internals
Petronas
23-09-2008, 03:33 PM
Power isn't everything.
Just don't forget what comes with more power... Brakes, suspension, engineering (maybe) etc etc... don't forget the other 'hidden' costs.
I know ehy.... I don't know why people bother sometimes.... Yeah you got a turbo setup that costs $7k (In a car worth $6k) and your cars 'got' 300HP but sh*t, how much of it is actually getting to the ground, and what happens when you reach the dreaded thing that's called a 'corner'...
NightKids
23-09-2008, 04:01 PM
I think it's better to ask this question on a Nissan forum.... cause Hondas = not much power atw = all VTEK BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
aowwllan
23-09-2008, 04:05 PM
buy an s2k and supercharge it, and i will be ur best friend
dauno
23-09-2008, 05:59 PM
buy an s2k and supercharge it, and i will be ur best friend
rofl i like ur thinking.
thanks heaps to everyone for the advice, and some things i never even thought of lol
Built K24 will get you 250 whp
I got 206whp / 154kw@wheels so far on my stock K24A3 motor.
nick_sixx
23-09-2008, 06:10 PM
Built K24 will get you 250 whp
I got 206whp / 154kw@wheels so far on my stock K24A3 motor.
...and $15,000 will get you a built k24a motor swap
...and $15,000 will get you a built k24a motor swap
Its all depending on how hard core you wanna build it .
$15000 spare to build my K24A on my EG will get me easy mid 10 sec pass.
Power is not everything
Power to weight is everything
dauno
23-09-2008, 06:55 PM
Power is not everything
Power to weight is everything
thats a valid point.
From what everyone is saying, 250whp is probably asking a bit much from this motor.
I've had a look around (and correct me if im wrong, please) and B16a seems to be the most cost efficient option for the engine change. And should still be able to make the power i want with a good turbo set up, and not sacrifice handling after the appropriate mods have been done to suit the power.
thats a valid point.
From what everyone is saying, 250whp is probably asking a bit much from this motor.
I've had a look around (and correct me if im wrong, please) and B16a seems to be the most cost efficient option for the engine change. And should still be able to make the power i want with a good turbo set up, and not sacrifice handling after the appropriate mods have been done to suit the power.
my 206whp EGK24A ran 11.82 sec @ 113.6mph down the 1/4 mile.
B16a is a good choice
diffuzn
23-09-2008, 07:19 PM
b18 + stickers
dauno
23-09-2008, 07:21 PM
awesome, thanks heaps for the advice lol i'll be sure to go ahead with this as soon as i get the money. i'll give everyone an update as it goes ahead :D
What are the better shops to go to around brisbane area to get all this done?
b18 + stickers
rofl!
Webby_roller
23-09-2008, 07:49 PM
Just if you were wondering about the 250HP from your D16.... D-series rods snap at approx 220hp.... so if you were going to... you would need a rebuild....
dauno
23-09-2008, 07:58 PM
Just if you were wondering about the 250HP from your D16.... D-series rods snap at approx 220hp.... so if you were going to... you would need a rebuild....
I've heard all different things about what D series stock internals can handle, its good to finally get some confirmation.
Would i need to upgrade B16 internals to make this sort of power?
Webby_roller
23-09-2008, 08:51 PM
I don't know if b16 rods would fit. I know there is a pretty big aftermarket support for D16's (when compared to the D15) so it should be possible to chuck in some forged rods and vitara pistons and go for gold from there... PS... where abouts in loganholme do you live??? Im in loganhome to...
dauno
23-09-2008, 08:58 PM
yeah, im guessing they'd have to be different. Im looking at doing an engine change anyway, its looking like its going to be alot easier to get this power from a B series with turbo. altho, as said above... it would probably cost the same to build up the D16 with turbo to get that power as it would to get a B series and turbo that. from what everyone is saying tho, B16a seems to be the way to go.
VTECMACHINE
23-09-2008, 11:28 PM
Power is not everything
Power to weight is everything
Well said Gold Nads. This man speaks the truth!
VTECMACHINE
23-09-2008, 11:32 PM
yeah, im guessing they'd have to be different. Im looking at doing an engine change anyway, its looking like its going to be alot easier to get this power from a B series with turbo. altho, as said above... it would probably cost the same to build up the D16 with turbo to get that power as it would to get a B series and turbo that. from what everyone is saying tho, B16a seems to be the way to go.
May I ask, what is all the power needed for? Get to shops quicker, race track, drag strip, pull chicks? I haven't once heard you talk about the costs of upgrading other parts which go with ranking up the power.
Power is easy to get, but will your car actually be "fast". Will it be able to stop if a kid runs out on the road. Will you actually be getting traction on street tyres? Will it all work...? From what I have heard, I don't think so.
Limbo
24-09-2008, 01:10 PM
for the price tag and work, go a B18 from a VTIR, its about the same price as a B16 with slightly more torque to begin with. Boosted it will abit more than a b16 also.
dauno
24-09-2008, 05:32 PM
May I ask, what is all the power needed for? Get to shops quicker, race track, drag strip, pull chicks? I haven't once heard you talk about the costs of upgrading other parts which go with ranking up the power.
Power is easy to get, but will your car actually be "fast". Will it be able to stop if a kid runs out on the road. Will you actually be getting traction on street tyres? Will it all work...? From what I have heard, I don't think so.
you do have a good point there and i see where you're coming from. I will be very soon upgrading the suspension and getting it set up properly. it is lowered, but thats not hardly going to be enough. I am looking into brakes as well, i'll get that done at the same time as the suspension. All that of course will be done before the engine work, definitly before boosting it. Traction will be an issue, im hoping i can get alot of that fixed with good tyres, and a proper suspension set up.
If you have any suggestions for this, please feel free to comment.
Safety is certainly a top priority, from brakes to bucket seats, it should all be considered.
To answer your question, why all the power. To alot of people, it does not seem like a good idea. The civic in general is a great car and prides itself on handling and the likes. What im really trying to do is build a good all-round street car. As for the power, most might think its not worth it or too much... but its what i want to do :) waste of money or suicide, everyone is entitled to an oppinion and i do take all those into consideration.
Thanks for bringing up some very valid and worth while points on this :)
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