Conversions.

[jaydenn]

There is a Honda Civic 95' Im interested in, it has a H22 dropped in it but its from a 93' Prelude.

Is this illegal as the chasis is a 95 and the engine is a 93 model?

And also does anyone know if there are any problems with H22's?

[jeffreymui]

as far as i know its illegal...i think

[jaydenn]

hmmm this guy has it registered under the car tho? how is it possible.

[trism]

prob no regoed in the car, id steer away

[hisoka]

u in nsw??.

h22a is quick in egs, heaps of people got it here

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

steer clear of it...

[damienm]

as far as i know its illegal...i think

its legal u just gotta get a engineers certificate for it. my mate has the 4A-GE motor in his 94 corolla

[trism]

4AGEs were produced right up until 1998 ;)

[jdm_b16a]

An engine transplanted into a car must be younger (newer) than the car it is going into. Absolutely. You cannot legally install a 93 engine in a 95 car unless that engine was still available in 95.

There are many people who say the H22 is too heavy for the Civic; on the other hand quite a few people have done that conversion. I personally wouldn't.

This car must have an engineer's certificate verifying the engine change and associated upgrades. At a minimum it should have upgraded braking system including booster and MC. Ask to see the engineer's certificate and check that it itemises all the upgrades. It is possible that someone could get an engineer's certificate then do further modifications.

Also it should have an emissions test report to verify the exhaust system is controlling the pollutants (eg. a working cat), that it meets noise level requirements.

It should also have a weighbridge certificate to verify that the weight distribution is OK.

I know whenever I've done conversions those three items are essential and I always get them. Makes it so much easier to register and eventually if you want to sell, the buyer has peace of mind ---

Engineer's Certificate
Emission Test report
Weighbridge Certificate

Hope this helps you out,

Peter

[jaydenn]

thanks for the replies guys!

Im from melbourne, theres a h22 civic sedan for sale on carsales 9.5k check it out. u tell me wat u think.

its got upgraded brakes, type R exhaust, but thing is the bloke said he doesnt have a engineers cert, and that the engine is registered with the car thru vicroads (in sydney its rta).

[jaydenn]

prob no regoed in the car, id steer away

car has rego til april 09.

[jaydenn]

u in nsw??.

h22a is quick in egs, heaps of people got it here

in melbourne bro!

[jdm_b16a]

thanks for the replies guys!

Im from melbourne, theres a h22 civic sedan for sale on carsales 9.5k check it out. u tell me wat u think.

its got upgraded brakes, type R exhaust, but thing is the bloke said he doesnt have a engineers cert, and that the engine is registered with the car thru vicroads (in sydney its rta).

There is no way you can legally put an H22 into a Civic without an Engineer's Certificate, at least here in NSW and I'm pretty sure Vic is just as strict. You are increasing the capacity from 1.6L to 2.2L.

2.2 - 1.6 = .6

.6/1.6 x 100 = 30% increase in power.

Can anyone here explain this a better way?

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_06_-_guidelines_for_light_vehicle_modifications_nov_20 07.pdf

Extract ...

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s40/infotechplus/EFHonda/engine_swaps.jpg

Peter

[DCLXVI]

2. Replacement engine is not of a type offered by the vehicle manufacturer as an option for that vehicle or where alterations, or changes to the vehicle's frame or structure are made, and/or specially fabricated supports or structures are used
You will need to attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre for an inspection of the vehicle to confirm the new engine details. You will also need to complete a Change of Vehicle Description form [PDF 24kb] and provide VicRoads with:

1. a VASS Approval Certificate from a VicRoads Vehicle Assessment Signatory
2. an original receipt for the purchase of the engine as proof of ownership of the engine

Extract from Vicroad (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/ChangeOfVehicleDetails/)

[vinnY]

fyi it's not the weight of the h22, it's how it's mounted in the engine bay
afaik when thrown into eg's the motor is mounted further forward which which why people say it's more nose heavy

[trism]

yes, but it is heavier anyway, coz its a bigger block.

compare a 1.6l to a 2.2l

[Raztaz]

thanks for the replies guys!

Im from melbourne, theres a h22 civic sedan for sale on carsales 9.5k check it out. u tell me wat u think.

its got upgraded brakes, type R exhaust, but thing is the bloke said he doesnt have a engineers cert, and that the engine is registered with the car thru vicroads (in sydney its rta).

link pls

[simonnowis]

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550The

the h22a doesnt seem to be significantly heavier then the b or d series.
in the link the short block is only 23lb(10.5kg) heavier, but then more torque from the h22a might out benefit the little extra weight

[trism]

short block.

not including transmission, or head, or ancilleries.

and we arent talking about the weight negating the power, we are talking about the weight screwing handling in a light car...

[trism]

from that thread



well my d15b vtec weighed 306 pounds in the same condition as kimini's h22 which weighed 475 pounds so about another 170 pounds


ok, so a k20a+tranny = about 182kilos
a b20vtec + tranny = about 181 so for a b16, and b18, it wouldnt be too much less, say 175
a d15+trans = 136
h22+trans = 215

so its 35kilos heavier than a k series or b20vtec, and maybe up to 40 heavier than a b16/18

[jaydenn]

trism link below...

http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/HONDA/CIVIC/details.aspx?__Ntk=CarAll&__D=vti&__Dx=mode%20matchany&seot=0&Cr=19&state_id=82&keywords=vti&State=Victoria&__N=4294965322%2082%20834%20285%20257%204294965250 +1216&distance=25&R=5766721&__Ns=pCar_Price_Decimal%7C0%7C%7CpCar_PrivateSpeci alFlag_Int32%7C1%7C%7CpCar_ImageCount_Int32%7C1&__Ntt=vti&trecs=60&__Nne=20&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&silo=1003&__sid=11C84D8F47A7&Model=CIVIC&sort_type=2&Make=HONDA