Suggestion: A Ozhonda Wiki

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Perhaps Ozhonda could use a Wiki?

Im unsure if this has come to topic before but i thought it may have been a good idea to bring up.

As of late i have been thinking of this more and more and how it can work here (as i continue to read through posts in the noob section, site discussions and other various parts of the forum where i feel this could of help)

I have spoken to a few members here about this idea, and as they also seemed to think it may be a good idea, i thought i would officially pitch the idea :)

I have seen it work with many other forums (large and small) which have wiki's filled with various bits pieces of information and facts that is very helpful to its members.

I know a Wiki (for Ozhonda) wouldn't be exactly small or easily maintained (quiet the opposite really) but i think it could be a very great tool here for the members here and the Australian Honda Community

I feel that the Wiki should be locked from everyone to be able to post in and that the moderators/certain people (perhaps a keeper or something?) would be sent the information via email/pm/see a thread and add it in

I say this as the information would be directly in the hands of the person looking rather than members having to search repeatedly and or either spending alot of time searching for a straight answer (which becomes annoying at times) OR growing frustrated and making a new thread then being told its been covered with a link provided as to where and when it was discussed

I think the Wiki would/should/could be filled with as much Technical/General Information as possible on all Honda's as possible

Weither it be a list of what you need to convert your ed civic to 4x114.3 (possible with link to DIY of this being done) or where you can buy/find a ready to buying a bolt on Turbo Kit for a DC5R (and perhaps a links to the different companies who provide these with sites/link/local retailer so therefore you can order it/browse through it)

I think the Information should be soughted/sifted by Make/Model (i.e 1st gen civic/crx/s2000 etc to current) and Categorized then by Modification (i.e Engine,Suspension,Interior,Exterior etc) and perhaps then in each Category have commonly asked Questions (i.e "How do i fit DC2R Recaro's in my EG?", "Will a K20 fit in my ED?" "Will i be able to fit 18's without scraping")

I believe the sources for the Wiki should be collected/donated from Members here, other internet sources (I.E HondaTech, ClubCivic etc etc), Build Threads, DIY's etc (get the idea?) with Credit/info to who added it or further information as to where the information Came from (i.e Source/Site)

Im sorry if this seems to be unclear or anything (look at post time)

I will be happy to clear it up/answer questions etc once i wake up

[trism]

i agree to the fullest

[cristian]

do it!!!!

[rayb3na_]

it sounds pretty much like what ozhonda is honestly.. wiki is a way of finding answers and ozhonda seems honestly to me the same thing but ozhondarised? sure looking for an answer is honestly pretty god dam hard with the search feature ozhonda has.. but what you mentioned above is a SHITload of work for someone.. just remember this is a free forum no one is getting paid to moderate this.. and honestly as your friend lloyd i feel its a great idea but its a heck of alot of work for someone to be doing for free?

[wynode]

SOunds like a good idea but a bit too much work repicating what we have here / in the stickies.

Perhaps a wiki on forum usage / rules?

[trism]

thing is, noobs dont look at the stickies.....

no matter what we do, people need to be redirected to either stickies, or search function, or a wiki if we do it before they can post, to prevent reposts

[qikteg]

can you link an example of where a wiki has worked for another car forum? i think its a good idea, and would be useful...

[Q_ball]

thing is, noobs dont look at the stickies.....

no matter what we do, people need to be redirected to either stickies, or search function, or a wiki if we do it before they can post, to prevent reposts

So what makes you guys think that they;ll look at wikis?
Wouldnt it be easier, if we all pitched in and assisted the noobs by pointing them to the stickies and other existing threads that we already have?

[trism]

coz the stickies, while being good


are hard to look thru

they need to be sorted out again

[chunky]

wiki is teh shit
a wiki would sick out more than stickies in the noob section + it would be more indexed ect
good i dea i reckon

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

*Sorry for long post but i felt it was necessary*


SOunds like a good idea but a bit too much work repicating what we have here / in the stickies.

fair but imo the Sticky/Search system here is somewhat flawed and either could use a Big Overhauling (with more things either added/fixed to threads and certain threads deleted/cleaned up) or some sought of other solution.

As i (and assuming most of the members here) know and understand there is ALOT information in the Forum (and its stickies) that can be accessed via either alot or a little bit of help from the Search function but i feel the difficulty people have (aswell as myself) trying to find a straight answer to a question or even finding a thread (to either study or bump) that has discussed the topic at hand so the person may gain knowledge from it and hopefully cause as little confusion as possible

As i see it now members ARE creating Threads that would be sticky/wiki worthy (i.e Zco's Thread 'RTA FINES and DEFECTS. DEMERITS INCL.' (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98741) or even to a extent Gio's Discussion in the Forced Induction section 'Supercharge website/ Discussion' (http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91766))

Though Given Zco's thread (in my mind) could be expanded and then perhaps be made into a Sticky and moved to a section where in which then it may grab MORE attention from the Users of Ozhonda (especially in NSW) and hopefully Inform them of the Fines and Demerit's they have to lose via the enlisted in the thread (which may eliminate some threads that have popped up in the past)

As for Time consumed by putting such a wiki/database together i personally would be happy to work on the Wiki.

In saying that im very confident there would be members here with particular knowledge or whatnot who would be more then happy to contribute their knowledge and experiences.

I personally could not see or envision a Sticky (in the Civic (2000 and below) / Crx) consisting of "How to Convert your ED to Fuel Injection and what you will need to do it" or a Sticky which could most possible be filled with a Catalogue (if you will) of Authentic/Tuning house EG Body Kits (with pictures) and weither they are in production and steps to confirm if it is authentic or replica (and if possible information on where to purchase it from i.e Our Traders, From there Direct Dealer or if that Rare Ebay/Jdm Yahoo etc)

In saying that i could see these sought of things belonging in a Wiki

Why?

One of multiple reasongs being its out of the way and if someone is interested in knowing this its in the appropriate place (and not taking up valuable space on the Forum)

IF we did this with stickies you would need to scroll for a while to get through it all and then to be able to get to the Threads. Simply it would take up a HUGE amount of valuable space (which i believe is not what we at Ozhonda want)

Though what i have proposed is in reality HUGE i believe the hours of dedication put into it would simply pay off.

Considering things with Honda/Ozhonda member bases are ever changing, more is being discovered/modified/fiddled with, the Wiki would be ever growing BUT if people contribute to it THEN the work would in reality be minimal and the load shared


can you link an example of where a wiki has worked for another car forum? i think its a good idea, and would be useful...

At this point in time i cannot find the specific wiki's i have seen that have stood out the most though here are a few that do stand out to me (that at this point in time i may salvage from my old harddrive)

For one i think the 'DIY electric car Forums' Wiki would definately be one of the most Helpful (car related) wiki's i have seen

http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/diy-ev-wiki-21.html

Red Pepper Racing also has there own Wiki which is helpful but imo is in need of a refresh/update

http://www.redpepperracing.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

Also Nasioc has there own Wiki (god love them)

http://wiki.nasioc.com/wiki/Main_Page

While looking into Subaru's and craving knowledge (Thank you Possum Borne) i trolled/read that wiki like there was no tomorrow

and the UK's own EVO magazine's 'Wiki' stands out like a sore thumb listing the truths of the Forum to the updates/changes/conquests to there Utmost famous Trolls and little blurbs for the regular posters...

http://bluwiki.com/go/Evo_Magazine_Forum_Wiki


So what makes you guys think that they;ll look at wikis?
Wouldnt it be easier, if we all pitched in and assisted the noobs by pointing them to the stickies and other existing threads that we already have?

Though coming into the thread and assisting the 'noobs' (or those asking noob questions) out imo is simply not enough anymore

There are alot of people who simple come to a thread and say "Did you search!" or "DO A SEARCH FFS (take note of yelling/cruise control)" which in turn does not help

And then (imo) when someone does come to help rather then flame and say "Do a search" (etc etc), they are kind enough to do the searches and find the answers/forums/threads that the OP was looking for.

These people are far and few between and then even still OP/noob/whatever label MAY have MORE questions either in relation to the topic or not at all which will either be asked in that thread or may come up in another thread (which once again = More Space consumption) and the cycle may continue.

Most noob (in my experiences) do not read the rules here.

If they are members on other forum they will most likely not go through and read the rules (as they should) as they would assume the rules are the similar if not the same (which imo the OH rules are alot more specific/detailed and need to be read)

[panda[cRx]]

i think it's a great idea. sure it may duplicate some info but it would certainly be HEAPS better than the current search system. i guess the other option would be to revise/replace the search system?
if we could tag threads with relevant words it MAY help..... or people could continue not really thinking ahead with thread titles/tags (ie. thread title like "help!" when something is wrong with car :rolleyes:)



Perhaps a wiki on forum usage / rules?

lol and WHO would look at that wyn?

you'd get stuck making it, then nobody would look at it after that. i can't imagine it like "ooh a rules wiki how interesting!"

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

;1906894']if we could tag threads with relevant words it MAY help.....

Unfortunately we had that delight not long ago (if you remember)..

But unfortunately *rolls eyes* people were misusing the new found abilites and the ability was revoked (which under the circumstances it was fair)

[chunky]

uhh yeah i had my fair share of abusing the tag thing
could try again if you want

[panda[cRx]]

or we could just permaban chunky?

i think the wiki idea is good as it links to relevent articles/threads. stickies would do the job but then we'd have a million stickies that nobody reads in each sub forum

[EK9]

someone just make a static ozhonda "magazine" style website.

load diy's as articles, have feature cars every once in a while, wallpapers, etc. it'll stay clean and noobs would definitely look thru diy/info articles rather then stickies.

can we "convert" the front page of ozhonda to reflect this? just an idea...

[trism]

jsut a quick question.

if i have two things. One is a Bunch of freshly picked grapes... The other is a big bucket of old gearbox oil, complete with bits of shredded metal...

Are they in any way alike??? No, they arent... One is very usefull, you can make wine, you can make sultanas, you can cover your bitch in whipped cream and snd strawberries and grapes and eat them off her naked body,

The other, well, you cant do much at all with it...

Not calling your suggestion worthless, but thats pretty much a comparison between an OzHonda wiki, and what youre suggesting....

[EK9]

lol. someone's bored. great metaphore. :p

i've looked at those wiki's that shogun listed, and imo they're no different to what i suggested. only thing is what i suggested is probably a more commercial website, same content, same categorising, more fancy looking... on the other hand a wiki is free and probably more ppl can contribute, instead of a webmaster/site owner.

they're not THAT much different.... from the early days, i've just always envisioned Ozhonda to become greater then what it has been, just a forum... growth into an online mag with articles would be more "interesting" for me to read then a wiki (abit like groundupgarage/jtuned). but then again that's just my opinion... like a bucket of old gearbox oil? lol.

[trism]

i know what you mean, but i think lloyds idea was solely for info.

i wanna know how to do a brake change, i wanna know how to do an efi conversion, what do i need to drop a b16/18/20 or k20/24/combo into my ed/eg/ek/etc, what do i need to fit swaybars to my non swaybar equipped car. just info.,,

your idea is totally different... feature cars and wall papers, a honda based online mag...

both are good ideas, and id love to see both.... but its hard work, and we need people who have time...

and we need admin/mods to let us do it, rather than umming and ahhing about it...

so your idea isnt totally useless like a bucket of gearbox oil, maybe its like a set of reservoir socks or something lol.... usefull, but in a different kind of way

[bennjamin]

my 2 cents.\

first of all good work shogun for having the guts and time to sit down think hard and post up such a long and involving thread/suggestion.

Next , from what ive seen a few technical-based forums DO have wiki pages closely affilited - THESE themselves are the "stickies" for the forum itself. Which means that all stickies and links are on the wiki itself rather than clutter up the forum.

This , sounds like a good idea IMO - move almost ALL stickies to a separate wiki , and have a hyperlink on several places on the forum and let people search in there instead.

thoughts ?

[trism]

I like it. It also leaves room to enable expansions later.

so rather than just have links to the pages on OH, it can be expanded to have teh actual info, without all teh BS

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

Thank you Ben

Ok (just so i understand your suggestion right)

What you suggest is for example:

For a starter/getting this going, Open the/a Wiki and move the Necessary/appropriate stickies to it to reduce cluttered space from the Forum and have ONE sticky in several sections of the forum with the Hyperlink to the Wiki which then will have what was formerly in the stickies.

Right so far?

So (for example) what would be moved would be: [[d a n n y]]'s Motor Change guide for EG, the civic model guide or like .::F[L]Y::.'s S2000 Aftermarket parts review etc (which are stickies)

Did i miss anything? :p

I like your suggestion (it has multiple purposes)

as Trism said it allows expansion and (as i stated in my OP) it can be expanded the direct into the catagories/facts/info directly etc

In reality getting the wiki off the ground would be the hardest part and imo moving the stickies is a start/getting it off the ground and is a excellent way to clean up the forum :thumbsup:

More Thoughts/opinions?

[panda[cRx]]

i say we should do it. as said a million times before NOBODY READS STICKIES

[bennjamin]

more thoughts and inputs on this guys.

I think the idea of stickies and links on a 'ozhonda wiki" is a great idea and could really work.

[ek4-guy]

I'm for the idea as it would make gaining information easier i don't know how many times i've seen noobs and member get told to use the search function.

Whenever I use search it seems to be a hit and miss type thing and I don't know if I've used the right key words ect. So then in an attempt not to upset other members I find myself searching the internet instead of posting looking for help regarding different things.

[wynode]

;1910963']i say we should do it. as said a million times before NOBODY READS STICKIES
But my whole question I guess is that if they aren't going to read stickies.....what says they'll readup on an external site?

I'm all up for it though if someone is willing to maintain the Wiki!

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

But my whole question I guess is that if they aren't going to read stickies.....what says they'll readup on an external site?

I'm all up for it though if someone is willing to maintain the Wiki!

Wikipedia is something that (almost) everyone knows and/or has used before (Wikipedia is renowned for being filled with valuable information and will draw members toward a Ozhonda version)

The fact is people want information NOW these days not in the time required to search, factoring in the sifting through the threads, reading through pages of posts and THEN trying to find the Simple answer makes looking into a wiki a more viable option

In reality a Wiki would be a refreshing change from making more stickies and effectively creating more clutter on the Forum

As i have said before i am more then happy to Maintain and Update the Wiki, i have spoken to members who would also be interested in updating and maintaining the Wiki if and where possible

[Lukey]

*raises hand to help*

[wynode]

What do you need me to do to get things going?

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

What do you need me to do to get things going?

Ill talk to you about this tomorrow ;)

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

****....been so long since I've actually booted up the computer and sat and worked on this.

Wyn, any further updates mate? haven't gotten a pm and figure you've been busy.

[wynode]

I got the test site setup but didn't proceed further due to other personal issues (just got married). I'm back from the honeymoon early January and it will be one of my priorities then :)

[SHOGUNOVDDRK]

oh..snap.

Congratulations Win :)

All good, just let me know whats going on and when, always willing to lend a hand :)