Air filters for cai

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Hi Guys,

I want to replace my pod. I want something better then the K&N PODS. One problem I need one fast any suggestions.

[RtN]

Injen sounds reliable I guess?

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any others need to get one like tomorrow.

[dsp26]

ANY pod with a built in velocity stack...

IE.. BLOX or JWT Pop Charger....

they actually accelerate airflow into the intake causing velocity increase...

for more info on velocity speeds, etc... please read this very detailed debate on throttle body sizes and talk of velocity versus volume:
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80770

[Limbo]

The Apexi was rated as one of the best pods a while back. Otherwise the K&N was next down on the list if i rem right

[nick_sixx]

3a racing :) $30 and better flow than apexi, hks, k&n, trust etc...i just bought one

[Limbo]

its not only flow you should be looking for, its how clean the item keeps the air intake also.
Otherwise you might as well just run an open tube

[[ricer]]

i read the 3a racing ones owned most popular brands in a filtration and flow test

[dsp26]

;1907539']i read the 3a racing ones owned most popular brands in a filtration and flow test

thats true.... but none of those tests have actually tested the velocity stack items which will beat all these setups in flow/filtration.... that test was years ago...

[fatboyz39]

blox air filter bang for buck. We have tested this back to back with a K&N.

[dsp26]

blox air filter bang for buck. We have tested this back to back with a K&N.


Yup.. it's hard to believe.. if i hadn't done the back to back tests years ago with the yanks on the sr20 using the JWT Pop Charger (velocity stack coupler) I wouldn't have believed you :p

the velocity stack filter gained an additional 4wkw over an apexi on an sr20 with i/h/e

With the Honda Heads thirst/hunger for air, it would clearly benefit from this......

[RtN]

Hmm i see the apexi it has that open centre, dust gets in? haven't seen it in person yet.

[dsp26]

apexi doesn't have an open centre.. it has the cone to divert air into the intake tract.. works similar to a velocity stack. would have been better with the VS.. this is an example of old technology that is still overpriced due to branding..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v281/dsp26/apexi_power_intake.jpg



The Blox/JWT item on the other hand looks like this.. no need to explain further:
http://hybridr.com/images/ebay/Blox-Velocity-Stack-Filter.jpg

[mrwillz]

blox air filter bang for buck. We have tested this back to back with a K&N.

where are 'blox' products available?

[dsp26]

where are 'blox' products available?

ebay... also the benefit of the blox item is you can run just the VS when you goto drags :thumbsup::thumbsup:





now the only reason 3A racing filters won overall compared to the other more expensive products (in flow/filtration) was sheer fluke on their end.. why?

look at one versus a standard pod?

- the recesses in the fins go deeper just like the blox ones above.
- this equates to more surface area
- even if the filtration of the actual material was on par or even exactly the same as K&Ns.. they gave more power because they had more surface area which meant less resistance compared to an item with the same material properties.. even if the flow was also slightly worse too... the fact there was more surface area....


if a person wanted the ultimate flow then you'd either go with a foam/mushroom type or those metal mesh blitz ones at the cost of filtration.. those are strictly track only items and don't filter shit.. used them and it's like driving without a filter.. soooo loud.

[dsp26]

^^^this is also why i don't get why some people insist that k&n replacement panel filters are better than pods.. unless the stock intake design was remarkable their shit compared to a good pod filter because the small fin design of k&n is restrictive... THEY DO THIS for emissions hence why their ADR approved oem replacements (panels only)... everyone whose done an emissions test knows that if you lean you car too much you get more NOx and a very high flowing filter will do this.

If you wanted to retain the stock look and want max performance then you would have invested in SPOON foam filters or the TRUST Airinx which are made to fit in oem enclosures

[vinnY]

+1 for the blox
got one in my ek
biggest concern is fitting it, the bloody things big

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If the blox one are so popular among the Honda enthusiast someone should start selling them on here.

Bought a 3A racing filter dimply due to the reason if it being a lot cheaper then the K&N and availability.

Please close this thread.

[dsp26]

If the blox one are so popular among the Honda enthusiast someone should start selling them on here.

Bought a 3A racing filter dimply due to the reason if it being a lot cheaper then the K&N and availability.

Please close this thread.

agreed. some traders are already stocking obx/blox items...

Fortunately for us, a lot of testing has been done in the US. UNFORTUNATELY for us such good parts are only also mass produced in the US.

3A racing is good... just that like with anything else there will always be something better after.

[Limbo]

hmm confused how the Blox works better other than its bigger, any pics explaining?

[outatime]

get Simota mushroom filters

http://www.bntnz.co.nz/images/products/mushroom_filt.jpg

[vinnY]

its the velocity stack that attaches to the blox filter, limbo

[Benson]

[quote=blabla;1909295]If the blox one are so popular among the Honda enthusiast someone should start selling them on here.

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Because some ppl think its still scpetical to make a good gain with a change of filter combo...

i've tried Blox filter on almost 10 different setup, and there were gains across the whole board.

Why traders dont sell them? Because they like to sell the branded filter to make good margins on it.. Blox can be bought from ebay for around 110-120US shipped.

The first thing ppl will think about is branded items, i. apexi, k&n and etc they dont think about other brands on the market

[dsp26]

^^^yep:thumbsup::thumbsup:

read my sig.. been on there since i joined OH :)

[Benson]

right on! ....

Only tell ppl the trade secret to special ppl ... haha

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Hey Guys I have put up a poll please vote to see what brand is the most used among all Honda drivers.

[Limbo]

i wonder if the velocity stacks work for FI, as you've got a compressor doing all the sucking

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ohhh dam i forgot Injen sorry guys.

[dsp26]

i wonder if the velocity stacks work for FI, as you've got a compressor doing all the sucking

Not really.

Velocity stacks are used to increase air speed to cause a MINOR ram/force induction.. but not really.... NA engines prefer airflow velocity over quantity hence why big plenum/short runner im don't work as well for NA...

FI... don't need velocity as much as air quantity since well.. you already have FI

[dsp26]

gonna vote Blox only because i have an old school obx with dual VS :p (cone top and inside)

[allzilamon]

ive got aem ones on my aem v2, but i might swap it for a blitz one.

[Benson]

we are just talking about filters..not the intake pipe and filter..like the AEM v2

Blox vote for me

[allzilamon]

yeah and the pod filter that i use is a AEM one

[FAT VTI]

id only get that mushroom pod if it was a cai so u couldn't see the filter. that thing is UGLY!

[Limbo]

hmm gonna try and get my hands on a bigger filter or a blox, anyone know where you get them in AU rather than ebay?

[dsp26]

hmm gonna try and get my hands on a bigger filter or a blox, anyone know where you get them in AU rather than ebay?

you may as well get the 3a one for your boosted setup and sell the apexi... at least you'll have leftover change after :p


This is the filter test everyone speaks of:
http://www.3aracing.com.au/HTML%20Folder/Images/Air%20Filter%20Shoot%20Out.pdf (http://www.3aracing.com.au/HTML%20Folder/Images/Air%20Filter%20Shoot%20Out.pdf)

[Limbo]

man i had a 3a one i sold it cos i thought it was crapper than the apexi

[DNYALL]

I got an Apexi pod for my new setup (still NA) but It is yet to be run. I had a K&N filter on it but found that it just got dirty all the time.

But then company's like 'gruppe m' use K&N filters in their products. Also you have to think about how much R&D has gone into that product. I would assume that K&N would have the most R&D gone into their filters.

Ohh well. I'll see how the Apexi go's and then decide...

[dsp26]

^^^yeah but every iteration of Microsoft Windows gets slower and slower needing processing power but that just works fine with their exclusive partnership and support with Intel doesn't it :p