DA Teg Question??

[Slaz]

Not that familiar with the teg family, can someone tell me in the b series da if the driveshafts and midshaft are longer then rest?

Cheers. :thumbsup:

[A-man]

doesnt have mid shafts... its bout same size as a civic.... (eg)

[Slaz]

No drama re the mid shaft but you dont sound to certain on the length of them yourself??

Anyone else shed light on what b series vehicle has longer shafts and mid shaft?

[A-man]

when i was lookin at buyin 300hp driveshafts from ebay they said they were the same... and ive played with both cars alot and i know that it would only be a little diff... like a few mm

but some civics have a mid shaft others dont depends what type and engine

if its b series the same

[Slaz]

Ok and if B series, the da must have long shafts then?

Maybe a mod can move this to the tech section if more suitable?

[T-onedc2]

As it's model specific it must remain here.

Free bump to top tho.

[A-man]

yeh just because its a single shaft not a mid shaft mid shafts r better they help prevent excessive torque steer

[Slaz]

Im led to believe D series shafts fitted to common honda are longer in the shafts and midshaft and maybe this is the explanation on some long driveshafts i was asked what were they from, i thought it may be a DA teg being old but might lie in the physical size of a D series engine as havnt had to much to do with or on them.

[string]

The DA has a mid-shaft and two regular axles, just like all other Honda's of the same vintage. Axle length has nothing to do with torque steer. Torque steer is due to uneven left/right scrub radius of the suspension applying imbalanced braking/accelerating forces around to the steering axis, yielding you a net torque on the steering wheel.

[A-man]

so it has nothing with precipricating motion of a heavier shaft???


its only a tiny bit but it still should b there

[string]

"Torque steer" is an unwanted net force being applied to the steering rack.

The steering axis does not hit the ground at the centre of force of the tyre. Our Honda suspensions have a negative scrub radius, which means the steering axis extends to hit the ground to the outside of the centre of the contact patch. Whenever you apply a braking or accelerating torque to a front tyre, it will attempt to rotate the wheel around the steering axis as if you had turned the steering wheel yourself. It is an unavoidable characteristic of non-zero scrub radius suspension.

When you have left and right scrub radius equal, the forces balance out. As suspension ages, one side will end up with a greater scrub radius, and for the same given acceleration, will end up with a force on the steering rack in one direction, literally pulling the wheel out of your hands.

Torque steer can also manifest with equal scrub radius, but unequal longitudinal forces developed by the tyres. For example, braking hard on uneven surfaces (not restricted to FWD) or accelerating hard on uneven surfaces may cause one tyre to grip more than the other (open diff especially) thus developing imbalanced torques around the steering axis, resulting in a net steering pull.

It is for this reason that people do not like high powered front drive vehicles. Front traction is in limited supply, and the more you try to put into the fronts, the more chance that one side will do more work than the other.

It also means that steering feedback becomes complex (which isn't a bad thing) especially when you want to take into consideration cornering and acceleration under steady state conditions.

[A-man]

that makes sense..

thats a good write up.. should go in wikipedia or something