Subframe/swaybar 101 EK/EM/EJ

Time to clear fact from fiction
I've decided to create a new thread explaining the differences in subframes and the reason why we need reinforcements in EK's(NON CTR)... NOTE not EG/DC..


the below is only a guild.. you do what you like as its your car. i know of cars that never ran reinforcements and were fine

Fact 1: everyone knows you cannot use a 22mm rear sway bar without reinforcements.

It would either: - tear the S#@T out of your subframe

- Pluck the bolt holes out.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...8/e3042425.jpg



Review:

Whiteline :

pro's- 3 mount (no plucking)

con's - places the swaybar d bracket further out giving it leverage to tear you subframe; no linking b/w reinforcements (tie bar provides no twist torsion which is what is needed most).. LOOK AT WHERE THE SWAY BAR MOUNTS TO THE REINFORCEMENT...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y28..._/DSCN2139.jpg


Beaks :

Pro's - use larger sway bar; keeps oringal mounting width (less leverage for twist);

con's - no linking b/w reinforcements (tie bar provides no twist torsion which is what is needed most);

ASR :

pro's - keeps original mounting width (less leverage for twist); connecting plate for torsion twist purposes....
YOU SEE HOW THE MOUNTING HOLES ARE ALIGNED AND NOT PLACED ON THE OUTTER SIDE

http://home.comcast.net/~patcourt/forums/asrafter.jpg

Nice post 'BlitZ', I'll add this to the 'Frequently Asked Questions' sticky up the top.

+1 rep point for you :thumbsup:

already got a ASR brace for my ek coming in the post. if you wanna know where to get the ASR braces for any honda pm me.

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Originally Posted by LowEk

already got a ASR brace for my ek coming in the post. if you wanna know where to get the ASR braces for any honda pm me.

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Can you run these asr braces with the whiteline setup?

yes thats what im going to do. im going to run a 22mm whiteline rear bar. ill let you know how i go with mine when i fit should be fitting it in the next few weeks.

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Originally Posted by BlitZ

Whiteline :

pro's- 3 mount (no plucking)

con's - places the swaybar d bracket further out giving it leverage to tear you subframe

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While I understand what you are saying, I am not sure that 100% agree. The bolts that run through the subframe are supported by spacers so they will not move. The only way that I could see leverage being created is if the bolts that hold the d bracket in place were actually to 'dig' into the lca providing movement for the bracket and bar to move backwards and forwards/ up and down.

When you say the tie bars provide no "twist torsion" can you explain a bit more by what you mean?

ASR is the shit :thumbsup:
i got mine sitting in my room waiting for an install.
Its very sturdy and if you look at pics of it compared to beaks/BSQ, you can really see the difference. The difference in price between the two is about $200 though.

nice write-up Blitz, theres often questions on sway bar upgrades.
The 3 main suppliers of reinforcement that i can think of are beaks, BSQ and ASR, heres the sites for all three so you guys that are interested can read up more info on it, also honda-tech has stacks of info on this topic if you wanna search it.

ASR - http://www.a-spec-racing.com/
Beaks - http://beaksproducts.com/
BSQ - http://www.geocities.com/bretq/mounting_kit.html and http://www.geocities.com/bretq/swaybar_install.html

I hope this info helps with the thread. Also, i think the reason the ASR is much better is because it is larger and longer. This allows the force to be spread across a larger distance, reducing risk of damage. I'm not 100% on this though so dont quote me on it :D

where would you buy ASR stuff ?

pm sent trip.

From the USA.
LowEK has got it i see :D
I purchased it from the same place.
People can PM me also if they need to know where to get it from.

yep yep what he said. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Has anyone actually fitted the ASR reinforcement with the whiteline sway/tie bar combo? Just curious if it all actually fits???

Do you just remove the spacers that sit between the bar and the lca or do you keep the spacers?