clutch shudder in Euro

Somebody I know is getting some intermittent shudder from the clutch - near-new Euro. Is this a normal characteristic of these cars or does it herald a problem?

maybe something to do with the DBW throttle. Tell him to try giving it a little more gass when he takes off... never really heard of this being a problem before

How new is the car ?

I think that the euro takes some time to get used to driving well so if its brand spankers - put a few thousand more kms on it and see if there is still a a problem.

I find that launching in first at 1000rpm or lower causes shudder, but launching at around 1500rpm-1800rpm is smooth.

Its a whole learning process moving from 2 Cone synchro gears to the Euro's 3 cones. I'm still learning after 3000km lol, at least the gearbox is freeing up now.

upgrading the clutch and going to a lighter flywheel also amplifies this characteristic. My car will shudder taking off if i dont initially give it close to 2k rpm.

Drive by wire reduces the throttle response at take off so that it makes it "smoother". They should have left it alone. If you give it more throttle at the same time as releasing the clutch, take off is very smooth. Don't drive it the same way as you drove your previous cars. You have to relearn for the Euro. Unfortunate, hey?

Its fairly subtle. Not like the whole car shakes and shudders. Sounds like it might be a characteristic then? Car has not yet reached 1000km.

i've done about 2100kms in my euro now (picked up in mid march)...

when i first drove it i noticed how stiff changing from 1st to 2nd was....kind of annoyed me for a bit...

but now at about 2100kms on the clock, i feel that it's free-ed up a bit more and changing into 2nd is much easier with less resistance...yay!

oh, and just an off topic question....when does vtec kick in for our euros? what rpm range?? i don't really feel much of a significant response....=(

i drove my friend's h22a accord, and shit it kicks in HARD after 5000rpm....and yes i know it's a h22a, but even with a vti-r prelude that i drove felt like vtec was much 'louder' and more noticeable....

it's because the k24 is an i-vtec engine. There is no one VTEC kick. "vtec" actually engages twice, a less agressive one at 4krpm or so and the most agressive at about 6000rpm. With ecu tuning such as hondata the kick is even further reduced. Because the came angle is constanlty variable, in theory there should be no vtec kick at all if tuned properly just a smooth and linear powerband. So the i-vtec may feel slower but thats because its already developing more power and torque at a lower rpm so you dont feel the last rush as much.

and the stiff changes of the euro box is due to the tripple syncros as someone mentioned in another thread

Chris are you sure there is a VTEC that kicks in at 4000rpm?

Ive beentold that it only kicks in at 6000rpm, along with the variable cam timing which is variable depending on RPM and throttle.

what about some crap i heard about vtec getting "shut off" when u hit the rev limiter???

i heard some ppl talking about how vtec doesn't kick in anymore if u hit the rev limiter or over rev...and some crap about having to reset the ecu again...

sorry if i sound noobish, but i know nothing about hondas and vtec...this is my first honda...:(

This my first Honda and I've hit the fuel cut-off in 1st a couple of times (it's just so easy to do -- it revs so fast and smooth). It's the first time in any car that I've ever done it. Everything is fine: the fuel cuts off and the revs drop, you change gear (going "Ooops") and keep going...

Back to the "shudder" -- it doesn't actually feel like the clutch to me: it's more like a really strong resonance at low revs. I don't have a sports exhaust on my car, but I've collected quite a few vids of how different ones sound (research): they all seem to have that resonant boom right down low when the revs drop. I'd put it down to a lack of low-end torque (trade off for the high power output from a small engine) and resonance. As others have said, a few more revs on board overcomes it.