im just wondering about 2nd - 3rd gear on civic boxes
anyone have problems doing that without crunching ???
i have that problem so does my mate .. im just wondering if neone else has that problema and what they did to fix it...
thanks in advance.
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im just wondering about 2nd - 3rd gear on civic boxes
anyone have problems doing that without crunching ???
i have that problem so does my mate .. im just wondering if neone else has that problema and what they did to fix it...
thanks in advance.
well i own a dc5, but i still crunch gears sometimes, most common is same as urs, 2nd to 3rd all the time. i think u just have to take it easy with the shifting and clutching it a bit longer, i crunch gears cos i rush my shifting
i use to crunch gears before from 2nd to 3rd, so does my mates, i thought i needed a new gearbox. but since i got my engine recond, it doesnt crunch anymore, not sure wat my mech did, but yea it's still the same gearbox..
jus double clutch it n it shouldnt crunch.. dats wat i use to do..
if your gears are crunching, perhaps could be your syncro's worn out?
must be something wrong with your gearbox,
my OLD 1988 crx gearbox NEVER crunches on any gear
:D
people who say the shortshifters screw gears up..? well i've had my short shifter in for 4 years.
Sometimes if other people drive my car and not used to it they crunch 2nd-3rd, seems they don't hold clutch deep or long enough... I've crunched it myself when I'm tired/careless once or twice...
Could be syncro wearing out.....a friend's car never had probs before from 2nd -3rd (even he shift fast at over 6000+rpm), after few track days, it crunches from 2nd - 3rd all the time when he try to shift fast over 5000rpm, so he have to shift slowly now to avoid crunches....
Anyone has the same problem???
yeah me......samn problem with my itr
try to change your gearbox and clutch oil first, it could be just dirty.
If that does not work it could be your sychro and you will need a gearbox rebuilt.
make sure u depress the clutch fully before a gear change :D
when ever i thrash mine the only crunch i get is 1st to 2nd no other gears, then again i guess my engine isnt for racing nor shifting at extreme speed so i try not to anymore.
mine crunches 1st-2nd when shifting between 3000-5000rpm so i have to either shift before 3000 or after 5000
sounds more and more like worn syncros..
let us know EG5[KRT] when u get it checked up..
yeh same happend on my old gear box...most likely synchros are gone but get it replaced with honda OEM gearbox fluid b4 u change it...it could fix it up..it fixed my 1st to 2nd but not the 2nd to 3rd
mine does the same when ever i go into 3rd, the only way i found to get it into gear without crunching was to double clucth 2nd to 3rd and rev match from 4th to 3rd
most likely syncro's are worn, but change ur MTF first with the MTF from honda,
know to solve problem, before u do a reco or new g/b. mine is too far gone for MTF change, crunches every time, im gettin new/used/reco g/b whatevers cheaper, anyone know prices???
yeah thats what i was thinking the synchros mite be ****ed .. i dotn think it would b oil coz if so all gears would crunch...
but yeah im not too sure yet .. will do the oil change first since im gonna do a service on it.. then if that dont solve the problem will do a clutch change and check the gear box out over the xmas holidays...
has neone heard of a civic with dog box ???
lol yeh civic drag cars in the states...
my car does it, i think just take it easier, first thing i thought was the syncros :)
i own a eg civic and crunches from 2nd to 3 rd as well
i just change gears slower and its alright
i think its the bearings or synros
im thinking it mite also b a selector fork ....
so im thinking xmas time ill strip bak the box and c what could b the problem.
My 3rd crunches also...
mine also crunches from 2nd to 3rd... even up a hill, if i try and take it easy it still crunches.
man my gearbox only crunches like hardddd when i chuck it from idol speed into reverse its gay badly
huynh12345: There are no synchros on reverse, so engage 1st gear before grabbing reverse and it should fix it.
Yep sounds like synchros, used to happen with my civic but its fine now after a gearbox recond
hey iamhappy46 soo i engage gear 1 ... then go into reverse ... and it will stop crunching till my gearbox dies
or do i gotta go from 1 gear to reverse?
Yeah, engage 1st gear before you grab reverse. It will line up the secondary gearbox shaft and stop you from crunching gears. Just keep the clutch in while you go from 1st gear, thru neutral and into reverse and it should be sweet
cool =D very much appreciated
anyone know how much a G/b Rebuild usually cost or is it cheaper to get a second hand G/b?
depending on g/box, second hand is usually cheaper, however you still run the risk of buying a g/box that is on the way outQuote:
Originally Posted by czy_sol87
thanks for that u wouldnt happen to know how much a rebuild is would ya
Gearbox rebuilds are not for the feint hearted. Expect to pay a few hundred dollars for new bearings and synchros + labour for removal and rebuild.
just for bearings in one of the gears was like 500$ best off getting a new gearbox
There is a special gearbox oil you can buy which stops crunching...
Had this problem on the old corolla C52 gearbox... and those who know about toyotas and gearboxes will know how good toyota boxes are...
Anyway, had crunching in almost every gear for a year, when one day was at the lights in sylvania near maccas, changed from nuetral to 1st, and BANG, ceased up!...
funny thing was, we somehow engaged 3rd, and drove down king georges road, non-stop at 4am, red lights and all (thank god the camera'd ones were green) all the way home...
Ill get the name of the gearbox oil for you...
thanks man might try that before i get a whole new G/B
Ok try this,
1 - Check your clutch & master slave cyls for any leaks etc (transmission fluid as well - thick & green shit). If they need topping up, then top them up. Try it again. Still doing this? next step...
2 - Does your clutch feel tacky? when you push the clutch down & up does it feel like you are hitting any weak spots while it moves? This might be something to do with the Hydraulic clutch lines. not too sure on the crx as i just bought one myself, but common sense would tell me its either a fluid or cable problem, which would affect the clutch from engaging and causing a crunch. If this is what you feel check with a mechanic or even better a honda dealer. If they say it is damage synchro's, which it probably will be, next step.
3 - Chuck in some Redline MT90 (equivalent motul b16a gearbox oil).
4 (Last resort, Crunching like crazy) - You could also add Automatic gearbox oil (which is thinner - more friction -> slows down synchros quicker) which will fix the problem completely, but is only temporary, as it will end up wearing the gears & synchros at a much faster rate. Like i said, this is only when it starts to get REALLY bad, like in my corolla situation, and you need to hold out for the next couple of months due to lack of funds or your just a tightarse, this is a technique used by weekend track racers, who go break gearboxes on a regular basis...
Personally, id get some redline oil (If there is a suitable one for these weak boxes!), chuck it in there, and if it gets worse, start to double clutch (honestly). Take it easy on the +5500rpm changes in these, as its either the gearbox or clutch that feels the pain...
myn only gets crunching in reverse
all other gears seem fine
omg read the convo, reverse do not have syncros thus it will crunch most of the time.
to avoid this engage 1st and then goto reverse and it wont happen....
acknowleged
i kinda jumpd from page 2
Yeah, engage 1st gear before you shift into reverse, as its best to line up the two gears before changing. Most FWD are like this.
Most RWD gearboxes do not have a Reverse Gear synchro either...
I wish Holinger would make a sequential 'D' or 'B' series gearbox so that we could slam every gear home and not have to worry about synchros ;)
http://www.holinger.com.au/product_p...mmand=Shopping
Cant see it happening anytime soon... Holinger is mainly about drag & hd boxes which are capable of handling very high power figures, and monster torque...
It wouldnt be worth them to R&D a box for a high hp fwd, lets say civic or corolla, unless the racing scene grew larger. Its just not worth it for them, why go to all the trouble for a gearbox that will only sell 100 units a year if that!
There are a couple of places that do dog-engagement swaps for honda's though...
Pfitzner (ppg) Australia makes one for the EK,EG & DC2 ... & i think Hillman makes a dog engaging set for the EK4?
But dont expect much change from $5-6000...
Not worth it even on racing scene, would be cheaper to custom fit a C58 supra gearbox onto your car! :P
edit: Rwd gearboxes arent as susseptible to reverse crunching as they aren't parallel/direct to the drivetrain, meaning there is a |_ compared to a <> force. On L-angle boxes (ie. rwd's), the diff is more succeptible to going bang, as it is the x-over point... unlike on a fwd which is more direct to wheels (which is why there is less drivetrain loss in fwd than rear most of time) and the shockpoint (x-over) isnt at diff but at the gears themselves. This is why fwd gearboxes crunch over time.
Basically, if the clutch doesnt slip on a dump/revving change, and your synchros are out, your gears will feel it much more than any rwd gearbox.
It sounds like syncro problem, but it is a big job and expensive labour to fix it. b4 to consider the syncro, should better check:
- anything block the clutch pedal, (eg car mat)
- change your gear knob to stock one
- if u ar using short shift, change it back to stock
sometime short shift or shorter gear know may cause crunch gear.
if the problem still happen
- try to change clutch fuel
finally, i f prob still there, should check the synco or just leave it. save $$
:arrowr: :arrowr: :arrowr: :arrowr: :honda: :thumbsup:
my 3rd gear stopped crunching when i changed the g/box oil. use MTF yo!
hahahah!!! really?? does the gear knob make that much of a difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by PIS01
sorry. where can I get the MTF g/box oil? I have the same problem crunch from 2nd to 3rd gear! it hurts!
HondaQuote:
Originally Posted by coolson
I only crunch my gears (1st->2nd and 2nd->3rd) when i'm shifting really quickly and at stopid rpm's (red light gp's), otherwise it's fine. And it's not only in my civic, i've done it in other cars too (my friends weren't too happy). Maybe i need to learn how to drive :D.
But than again what's the use of teeth if you can't clean them, can't find it, grind it :)
Havent crunched in the civic...YET. Reading from page one it sounds like you might want to look into the synchros.
i had the same problem for the last couple of weeks its killing me. and also sometimes in the morning my gears dont really want to go in like if i want to reverse its just not going in and same as gear one, but in the afternoon this problem isnt really there does anyone no how i can fix that?
ps. sorry for the hi-jackin EG5[KRT]
I had my g/box oil changed to honda MTF. it still crunch from 2nd -> 3rd at high revs. however, if i double clutch from 2nd -> 3rd. it doesn't crunch at all. (it doesn't crunch before the oil change if i double clutch).
should i take it to repair? or should i wait until it get worse?
how much roughly would that cost to change all the syncros?
Let it fall back into neutral, clutch out, clutch in and try again. Should work.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-Stick
Or an alternative, which is what I usually do first, pick another gear, put it in that then go back to the gear you wanted.
As for everyone crunching their gears. I don't want to sound like i'm insulting anybody's driving, but the most common problem is just being too hasty with your left foot. Make sure you've finished shifting the gear stick before you release the clutch. Try to go extra slow, even leaving a short pause between actions JUST to make sure.
Also, make sure you're pressing the clutch all the way in.
yeah i have this same prob.. it just came up recently.. i was in 1st.. i gave it a feng. slamed it into 2nd
and ill i heard was CRUNNNNNNNNNNCCHHHHHHHHHhh.. then 2nd gear i took it up to 6,000rpm.. and slamed it into 3rd and it only had a littel crunch..
man tell you the truth . my heart sunk right then n there =(
how much is for fixing the syncro's? estimate
Gday,
Yep same problem i crunch from 2nd to 3rd when im shifting at a quick or even moderate speed, only can aviod it by doing it slow, much slower..... :(
Hahaha
i blew up my 1st box, and then i went to "CHARLIES MOTORS" in brisbane, did a new box for me, charged me 1k!! for the one i have now that does these hardcore crunches from 2nd to 3rd. Wouldnt reccomend going to that wanker at all! i went back asking what the *** was going and, he just got strait on the defensive saying it was my problem and he didnt want anything to do with it!!
ouch.. sorry to hear that man..
how much are synchros to replace?
has anyone considered their engine/gearbox mounts before rushing in for a rebuild? this is one of the most common probs for crunching gears, especially if its more than one.
could also be linkage related.
for some reason, if I double clutch from 2nd to 3rd gear it's never crunch. i have never crunch on low revs. but i have to double clutch when it is high revs.
when your shifting at high rpm its usually cos you wanna get going fast so having to double clutch is gonna slow you down.
better to get it sorted than have to work around it.
first thing ppl should do is get gear oil changed. its suprising what a difference it can make. its also suprising how long some ppl go without changing it lol
true, i change mine with every 10,000km!!Quote:
Originally Posted by sivic
I had a crunching problem, i changed my clutch and everything is PERFECT!
I have changed my gear box oil not long ago. but didn't fix the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by EGB16A
Clutch? clutch will fix the crunching problem? what clutch did you change?
I am thinking of changing the Exedy HD Sport Organic Clutch.
Any comment on that?
thats exactly the clutch i got, and a exedy lightened flywheel too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by coolson
That clutch is awsome to drive with, its easy enough for daily, and holds power so much better than stock.
I'd recomend it to anyone whos after a new clutch
my gear box is currently cruching every time on the fifth gear
its due to the sychros and mesh wearing out
ive been quoted to fix it
880 inc labour...
not cheap mannn
but its not a easy job
they gotta take the gear box out which requires taking out a lot
of sh*t just to get to it...
anyhow... double clutching seems the go atm until i get the money to fix.
you have upgraded the flywheel as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by EGB16A
how much does that cost for the exedy HD sport organic clutch?
how much for the lightened flywheel?
how much for the labour?
My car is all standard. is that worth upgrading the clutch exedy HD sport organic? i just want more bite on the a pickup of traffic light.
its always good to upgrade the clutch, one of the most basic mods that everyone should start with,if u got the $$ might as well upgrade the flywheel, will give u that extra bit of acceleration, why do other mods to the car when the clutch will only slip, u noe what im sayin?Quote:
Originally Posted by coolson
as for howmuch it will cost
clutch about $400-500
lightweight flywheel $500-600
install anywhere b/w $350-600
looks in the traders section they will have all the prices for u
exedy hd clutches are about the 300 - 400 mark. somone correct me if im wrong..
the toda lightened fly wheel.. is about 550..
labours quiet abit.. so i recomend you do ur fly wheel n clutch at the same time.. because they pull the whole thing apart anyway..
and yes.. gettting the flywheel and clutch will give u a big bite outta the lights.. =) i am looking forward to putting the clutch and fly wheel in.. but.. i duno if its worth it if im gonna go for the b16a/b18c?
edit: i ment by spending money on my lil D series b4 i go vtec
if you gonna do B series swap soon then dont bother with clutch/flywheel for the D. seeing as it comes up to over $1k inc labour you might as well wait till you doing a swap and do it while the new engine is out
Mine is a stock EK4. is that worth it for the clutch and flywhell upgrade?:confused:
i was crunching most gears unless i was careful... found out id completely destroyed my clutch :)
my reverse sometimes crunches.. or dosent go into gear.
is that normal??
i heard that you need to shift to the 3rd gear first before putting into Reverse. and it's something to do with the synco as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by da_doc
anyone can correct me if i am wrong.
yeh this problem is common for hondas.. alot of civics has this problem.. usually due to the syncromes worn out... but some pplz say by using different gearbox oil can make it go away but havent tried..
Quote:
Originally Posted by da_doc
try putting it into a forward gear. Ie first or 3rd.
or try giving the car a quick rev to say 2k.
Quote:
Originally Posted by coolson
from memory
clutch = ~$450
flywheel = ~$650
labour = ~$450
My car is near standard (only afew bolt ons) and IMO it was worth every cent. Trust me, you'll love the HD organic!! The lightened flywheel is well worth it aswell. Don't expect a massive increase in acceleration, how ever, responsivness off the engine is largly increased, and your accelleration mid rev range is improved nicely.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EGB16A
Does the clutch feel harder compare to the stock clutch? Because my girlfriend may drive it some time.
it should feel harder than stock, but shouldnt be too hard to drive
Its a little firmer, but pushing the clutch in is not going to be the problem for your girlfriend. However, she might have a little hassle with the take up of the clutch, until she gets used to it. It can be a little bity at first. Then again i don't know what sort of experience your g/f has with driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by coolson
bottom line - She'll be able to drive it, it might just take a while for her to get used to it, and the same prob goes for you aswell. Its nothing a little trial and error can't fix, and i guarentee you, if you get one YOU WILL STALL IT, and if people are around, they WILL laugh.... LOL :)
just do slower shifts... and rev-match
LOL:) I am sure people will laugh at me haha..Quote:
Originally Posted by EGB16A
LOL.. so cruel ..yeah HD clutches are hard at first.. u'll get used to it buddy
try using nulon additives