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i dont get why ur so cut? i simply asked to clarify something, ive not edited anything scroll back and see...
as for what u've written, wanna say why talks fell thru? or as u always seem to think, ur version and opinion of everything is Final and the only right one....PERIOD. geez, who does that sound like?
Why dont u tell them that real truth? lol seriously u make me laugh.
to clarify, i dont and never wanted to sell ur ecu, the talks were to help distribute those ecus for u in melbourne.
remember tahts right, we dont make money we simply help honda owners get an affordable engine mgt system. but u do remember, me and poid laughed when u expected people to pay 1500+ for ur proecu. After all ur reasoning was that hondata was overpriced... yet it was the same as what u wanted to sell urs for...
wanna keep going?
Up until this post ProECU, your comments were debatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
Obviously you've been taking poid's comments personally, and I urge you to stop, for the sake of other members who do not wish to read about yours or poid's talk-backs.
And what was the point of posting a "history"? There was no need for it. The other members surely didn't need to know a background to the history between the three of you.
I suggest you, poid and pornstar to take a chill pill and/or sort it out outisde of this forum, please!
If any of you, including you three (ProECU, poid or pornstar) disagree with what I have said, please, by all means, PM me. I'm always open to feedbacks.
Alternatively, you can take it up with wynode via PM or debate it over in Site Discussions.
barefootbonzai - Keep us updated dude. Good luck with everything.
-Jimmy
$1500 was for exclusive complete rights for Melb. Stop talking shit. Why dont you paint the whole picture? Hondata rights are worth over $4k.
The only reason you wanted it was to make a larger profit from your customers you greedy bastard, so dont give us the community sob story.
What you describe is EXACTLY re-selling.
Oh well, you dislike James of hondata too (you've told me this many times & I have the history to prove it), I begin to see a common theme here...
ToE: History is relevant. People here need to know what these clowns are up to. Why would Poid or pornstar disagree with your comments anyway, they were all directed towards me. Its not worthy of further debate, I agree, these guys stretch/bend the truth its obvious.
As to get back on topic, why doesnt POID come here and tell us exactly how much it cost him to get uberdata running, for sure not $1200, but hey, he wont admit to it after these discussions and make a lyer out of himself now would he?
So much love being passed around. Well my car is starting to make a funny noise which i haven't figured out yet. I think i've been pushing it too hard. Time to visit my machanic after work. I hope i haven't stuffed anything up yet. But the noise just started last nite when i was boosting around my local streets. Happens when i accelerate, even softly, quite worried. Is it possible for me to be getting detenation even at low rpm out of boost, like driving normally.
Ok, this post in Poid's behalf as work blocks access to OH
I am at work at the moment, so havent read everything in here. However i have read a few comments which require a response. I was just gonna leave it alone and let the author of this thread continue with his excellent progress reports, but meh
Firstly ProECU...Andy and I did enquire about using it and also reselling to others to tune cars. Wanna know why it never went through Evan? Because it was a ripoff!! You wanted $600 for the software and to add real-time to an ECU for us just to be able to test it. The parts for realtime cost $50 for v1, so v2 that your software uses would be similar. Just because that board isn’t publically released doesn’t mean you can make a crapload of cash from its design. And that was just for testing, not for resale of the product.
And hell, i dont believe you even authored ProECU! As far as i can tell, Doc in Austria is the author and also created the real-time boards that are used for both PGMFI editors and also the v2 board that is used with ProECU. You certainly did not create either board as you have had difficulties using it yourself. Notice I didn’t mention any of this before? Because I haven’t been trying to discredit you, as I don’t want to mess with anyone’s business no matter what I think of them personally.
Anyway, because of the cost, i did not go through with it, and also because it did not have secondary butterfly control which made it useless for the purposes of someone else that would have been using it. What i was after was a cheap solution which others would find easier than Uberdata or Crome and did not get it. We did not reach agreement, and that was the end of the story as far as I was concerned. Nothing further happened on my end. You had further discussions with Andy which I do not know the details about (even the $1500 amount posted in here is news to me). I thought that it all finished amicably, though i guess not!!
You posted that i then went on to use Uberdata...that is not the case. I was running it before even talking to you. So dont claim that you helped me in a great way, because you didnt. As for issues, well a number of people here have been in my car. It idles perfectly, the cold start is perfect and it runs well even if the tune is still a little rich, it just took some fiddling to get it there. As i posted above, i was more interested in getting a product for others in the ACT that would be cheap and easy to use, and your product was not suited to that.
As for the cost to get Uberdata running, luckily i kept track of my costs in a spreadsheet. So here it is:
Program: Free
ECU: $255
Wideband: $405 (which is about as cheap as they get)
Eprom burner: $310 (Batronix USB, purchased before the Moates was available)
ZIF socket, a few chips etc: $62
Total cost: $1,032
I also bought an OBD2->1 harness which was around $110, which would have pushed the cost to $1,142 if i was OBD2.
So i dont know what you meant by "for sure not $1200" but there you have it...so does this make me a liar now somehow?
I did not come into this thread with any intention of discrediting you, i posted because you called someone an asshat for saying that you could get Uberdata running for around $1200 (which was unwarranted, the guy did not deserve that at all as he was not posting something that was blatantly misleading or incorrect) and it exploded from there. I never once attacked you personally nor attacked your product (and I have not steered anyone away from your product), so why you felt the need to post much of the crap you have posted in here is beyond me.
Barefootbonzai, please accept my apologies for my part in all of this and keep us updated with the setup :)
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Ah, look, i'll drop it now, it really doesnt matter but let me just say 1 more thing.
you really do not know the history about ProECU so honestly you cant comment.
Both Doc & I developed this hand in hand, and the PGMFI realtime board is NOT the one in use here. Yes, the PGMFI version does not work. Doc & I worked to resolve the issues and we did. Ask Dyno dave, he saw it in action.
We're noy going to achieve anything here, so if it makes you happy, i'll take the first step to reconcilliation. I wouldnt want you getting into trouble at work for procrastinating on other tasks
I just re-read this and wanted to clarify a few things because you have them wrong
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Originally Posted by [Blitz]
The components are worth a LOT more than you think. Try getting some prices for a DS1230Y ram chip anywhere in AU. you'd be looking at almost $100 for the chip itself.
Accompanying this is the Programmable Logic chip, which are relatively cheap about $15 each, however you havent factored in the electronic programming device to write this chip. These are worth over $2k.
Then there is the board manufacture. Most companies dont do one-offs, maybe you've never had the need to research this, but board manufacture is not cheap, at least $500 for a sheet of boards A4 size to give you an idea.
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Originally Posted by [Blitz]
Fair enough, but I hope you realise the intrinsic worth of such an Item.
It's sickening that everyone wants something for nothing. You guys wanted me to supply an ECU+harness, Realtime Board & 3bar MAP sensor all for under $600.
Im not writing this to continue the argument, I want you guys to realise there is more too it that you're either not grasping, or are convieniently overlooking.
stop spammin barefootbonzai's thread dudes!!!
geez, start a new thread and name it accordingly!!
where are the moderators of this forum!??!?
unbelievable!
Well it's come to having to make an ultimatum. poid, pro-ecu and pornstar keep your replies related to barefootbonzai's thread and his turbo install. If you would like to argue your history/bring up any issues please do it via PM or make a new thread.
One more off topic reply by one of you 3 will result in a ban (for the person replying and for anyone else retaliating).
Now lets keep it related to the topic!
umm well before all the crap was posted up i read you looking at ideas for ECU ? i think. i forget who said microtech .. thats one of the ones that sprung to mind, good ecu. relatively cheap and reliable. im a bit of a autronic person though.. its because for some honda's it comes in plug and play ecu boards.. but its shit expensive so if you looking at that hope u got alot saved up =P.
in the end what u pay is what you get.. i saw someone posted up something about haltech..