^ thanks for the review. i guess i would head down to btc soon to check out prices on 195/55/r15. cheers
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^ thanks for the review. i guess i would head down to btc soon to check out prices on 195/55/r15. cheers
From what I learnt from my friends who are seasoned trackers, you're better off with bridgestone and yokohama semi-slicks compared to toyo semi-slicks.
Really? I have seen so many people set their best lap times on Toyo R888's though... or it that because maybe the Toyo R888 are a bang for buck rather than outright better performance?Quote:
Originally Posted by euro77
For that matter, how would the Kumho v700's rate against the R888... Heard the V700 were a real bang-for-buck semi
What about the firestone tyres? are they better than adrenaline re001?
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Originally Posted by civic_mods
well tried firestone Firehawk - which is their so called performance tyre, in dry they r all right but wet.. lol crap. so i think u r better off with re001 with the promotion..
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Originally Posted by Hans Bond
yep just asked a quote for the re001, 205/50R16, they give me price $205 each price compared to the firestone firehawk tz100 which only cost u $156 each
I am using Yokohama ADVAN AD07 215/45/17 on my Accord. Very good performance on both Wet and Dry.
I'm no expert on slicks or semi-slicks, like I said, it's what I learnt from my friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by arron
Have those people used bridgestone/yokohama and toyo, and got the best time with Toyo? If yes, than obviously my friends were wrong (or for some reason, those tyres makes them more confident or something).
I guess the tyre's softness had something to do with it as well (if I remember correctly, bridgestone & yokohama wears faster than toyo), so maybe the softer it is, the more grip?
no no, im not questioning your judgement or even your opinion for that matter.. i just haven't seen too many other brands of semi slick on some laptime charts.. a majority were toyo's.. that's why i naturally assumed that they were better.. but im probably wrong.. if the bridgestones and yoko's wear faster, it is quite likely that they are probably softer and grip better :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by euro77
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Originally Posted by kass01
Oh I get it now, cheap advertising!!! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by kass01
EDIT: any opinions on the S drives those of you who have been trying them out?
checked up about the R888 with taleb tyres. they only got R881's left.
these are discontinued stock according to another thread.
any1 use old semi's? does it really make much difference to a backyard racer or is just a fussy thing to not use old slicks?
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Originally Posted by JHMDA9
yeah got the S drives on my dc2r in 195/55R15. Harder compound than the re001 on my EG, and takes a bit of warming up before giving their best but quieter than the re001. Only done 400kms on them so this is only my 1st impressions.
R881 is very old tyres. at least they are popular around 4 years agoQuote:
Originally Posted by supersamEK
All depends how much cheaper is the used/old stock semi slick tyres and how important minimum lap time is to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by supersamEK
If some privateer or a shop is flogging off some old stock that has beenonly used once with much of its tread remaining or sitting on the shelf respectively and still wants 80+% of the price of a new new set then I would say pay the extra and get something as fresh as possible. Also bear in mind if you buy from a privateer you still have to pay say $15-20 for them to be fitted and balanced.
On the other hand if you get a used set for very little and still last you a few track days and have enormous fun and experience grip levels not possible even with high performance road tyres.
People often get very concerned about the manufacture date of the tyre, but they should be aware of the number of heat cycles the competition tyres had, and also the conditions they were stored as well. Ozone ages rubber quickly and constant exposure to sunlight hardens the tyre as well. On my tyres on my old BMW racecar I keep my wheels/tyres set in a stack and put a wheelie bin rubbish bag over it to keep the sunlight out and store them in a garage that doesn't get too hot ( so yeah ideally an underground cellar would be great ). I only put them on at an event and use old street tyres leftovers from my other cars as transport tyres so I don't wear them out/pick up punctures on the way to an event.
My current set of RE540s in 215/50R15 are close to 4 years old now with about 45% tread left and still nice and grippy once warmed and scuffed up after 2-3 laps and the ultimate laptime is only a tenth or two per 1 min more so in my case plenty good enough for trackday, sprints and tuning days. If that's the margin between winning or losing your class in a competition event then yeah fork out and get a new set.
So to answer your question, it doesn't matter to the backyard racer. Just go out there and whack something on, anything.... and have some fun!
Ok this thread is way too massive, i'm wondering if anyone can give me a straight answer on what tyres u would recommend.
Tyres i'm looking at are 205/50/15 and i'm looking at using them only for track and drag as i use my 17's daily. I don't want to spend ridiculous amounts on them coz i won't use them much so basically a tyre that will do the job ok for the lowest price possible, preferably under $125 a tyre.
I just looking for normal tyres, i would keep the tyres i got on there but they are in terrible condition, two are like 5 years old and the other 2 are bold as causing me to have little grip last track event, so new tyres would definantly be beneficial.
yay!! too right..its about fun..the cheaper the better. ppl should use this attitude more!Quote:
Originally Posted by EG30
did anyone get a price for re001 fr 195/55 r15
If you want tyres for track, then they have to be grippy. And you aren't going to find something track-grippy at $125. Considered 2nd hand semi-slicks?Quote:
Originally Posted by loco_corolla
yeh i know that and i said im not looking for circuit or special tyres, just normal road tyres that are grippy. You know how some normal road tyres are just bad in the rain but good in dry and some are the opposite, some are just all bad and some are all good.
Like the nankang's i bought for my 17's are an awesome tyre, they grip very well in the dry and wet, i used to easily rip up the tyres in 1st now it's not so easy and it's cause of the tyres, wet had improved heaps too as it is very hard for it to spin in 2nd and 3rd wont spin at all like it used to. That's going from tornado's to nankang's, a massive difference and they cost me $140ea.
That's why i'm asking here for just normal street tyres that would be like my nankangs but in that size cause my tyre is unavailable in that size :(
If you are happy with the Nankangs, then most of the recommendations in this thread should exceed the Nankangs.Quote:
Originally Posted by loco_corolla
if you have to choose between toyo t1r and bridgestone adrenaline re001 for the same price (say $200 each), which one do you choose and why?
EG30 you got any side pics of your tyres mounted? I just wanna see what they look like mounted. Cause these days it's all about looks yo!
wooow $200 per corner I might as well buy semisQuote:
Originally Posted by Hans Bond
^^ he didn't mention wat size though :P
in case anyone wants to know
195/55 r15 re001 are 160
mate i recommend the re001 @ $129 for 195 50 R15 if u hav nrma roadside u can get $5 off each tyre:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by loco_corolla
the 205 50 R15 is less common tyre size therefor more expensive and some don't even make that size
with almost all tyre brands, once the price of a 205/50R15 is significantly more than a 195/50R15 of the same tread pattern. They blame the pricing to economies of scale etc etc, I say that's the point where the 205/50R15 size belongs to bigger and more expensive cars ( and heavier cars with a higher load rating the 195 doesn't meet ) thus they figure they can slug you for it.
I got a price from Bob Jane for the re001 in 205/50R15 ( for a E30 3 series )and it's $180, so even at a cheaper retailer ( not hard to find someone cheaper than Bob Jane if you ring around ) it would still be $150-160 or so. The fact that the 205 isn't on specials and the 195 is exaggerate the difference even more.
I'm really impressed by my re001 in 195/50R15, it would provide easily more grip than a middle of the road 205/50R15 tyre and a lot more than a bunky one. Just looking at the tread pattern you could see it has more land to sea ratio than the average high performance tyre as per my prev post with pic.
yep, if the size is 205/50R16, and u got the same price for both tyres (Toyo T1R and Bridgestone Adrenaline re001), which one do you choose and why?
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Originally Posted by civic_mods
you can buy the 205/55r16 Potenza RE001 for $195.
I think the Toyos are $275 for 16inch, anyone confirm this ?
Best value for money is the bridgestone in my opinion.
Go for the bridgestone RE001. My friend just got a set and does not wheel spin at all compared to the Toyo T1R.
Not sure if someone posted it up already, but what is the wear rating on the RE001?
Well im looking at either g3's or re001 for my next set of tyres. will be a good upgrade from the unknown crap that the last owner had on them.
Rough price on the 205/50 R16? Im guessing about 200 a tyre. I am also thinking of going 215/45 R16 as well so, thoughts on that for a DC5R?
Tax time is a nice time :)
Treadwear 220 Traction A Temperature AA 91W 205/55/16
http://www.petsfactory.com.au/shop/images/re001b.JPG
Thanks. 220 is a little soft for my liking as a street tyre. I'll go for C or S.drive and have a 2nd softer set for track.Quote:
Originally Posted by petsfact
^ arronng, do u mean 220 is softer than C.drives?
Yes, the C.drive has a rating of 300. I'll pick up some good condition s02 for track since there are quite a few s2k wrecks around.Quote:
Originally Posted by STTICH
I got some re001's on my car during the week. I must admit they are the best tyres I've had on my car. Pricing was cheap, $129 per tyre, 195/50/15 however, this price is meant to be on for the June special only. Prices will go back up to $145 per tyre for the same size from today. (that's what the bridgestone tyre centre told me). The tyres are bit noisey like E530 has already stated, but grip in both wet and dry are outstanding. Great tyres!! :thumbsup:
which one has the thicker sidewall? re001 or t1r?
Re001.
seems the only weakness or re001 is a bit noisier.. but it caters all my needs.
I'm using the old F1 eagle rite now.. so I think i can expect less noise from the re001 :)
If you can put up with the old Eagle F1's noise level when they are past half worn, you'll be happy with anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Bond
Those who are curious about the re001's, I'm confident to say that i have some solid advice for you. =]
I just recently fitted a set of the new Bridgestone Adrenalin Potenza re001 street tyres a week or so ago and yes ,i've given them a hell of a beating over the weekend to see if they are as good as they say they are!!!
I'm surprisingly amazed with the grip and control i have with these tyres over my older yokohama's. I feel alot more confident in corners and keen to give them a test run out on the track to compare times with my old street tyres if i get the chance.
I also found my straight line driving is alot smoother and more responsive and a lot of grip in hard braking. (yes i tried locking them up at high speeds coming off the m7 motorway, shhhh)
My everyday driving now feels so much smoother and a hell of a lot quieter. I don't usually brag about street tyres though i find that these tyres are a MUST for a daily driver.
I found that prices for these tyres are very reasonable and affordable and i recommend them to anyone.
If anyone else fits these tyres, please let me know how you feel and hopefully i wont be the only one to admit the quality of these tyres.
Glad you are enjoying your RE001s as much as I am PAPZ.
It's been raining almost non stop in Perth for the past week and I now got a fair bit of wet mileage of these tyres under my belt. The grip in the wet is simply relentless.
Their superiority in the wet is even greater than in the dry. I now take corners almost as fast as I do in the dry and with they let go it's been mild understeer that is easy to recover. My EGSi is very prone to brake lockup in the wet b4, and now this still happens but will more warning, with a higher threshold and easier to recover than the BFG G force sport I had b4. It's however more scary esp in 3rd gear corners as I now enter the corner at least 3-4km/h more than b4 and if it ever let go at the rear it's going let go in a bigger way despite the superior grip.
They're unlike any other high performance street tyres I've driven on. Normally the new tyre is merely an evolution of the old and often hardly better apart from marketing hype with supposingly new tread optimisation, construction, silica compound yadayadayada.... No wonder Bridgestone Australia was confident enough to let motoring journlists test them against rival products on high performance cars at the re001 launch. Can't wait to read about upcoming reviews from mags such as Autosalon and Motor in Oz.
If they keep prices low/have specials regularly on selected sizes at a time many popular high perfomance tyres brands will be in big trouble. With Bridgestone getting serious for the 1st time for the tuners market with such a great product it can only be good for the performance minded consumers; with more choices and cheaper prices.
great reviews guys. EG30, do you have any more reviews or opinions of the s.drives (in comparison to the re001's in particular)
If standard sizes are cheaper then what is the standard spec for an R17 wheel?Quote:
Originally Posted by ROCKET
I think I'll be getting these :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EG30
Thanks for all the reviews people, you've helped at least one person make a choice!!!
no problems! :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by JHMDA9
Hey guys just a quick question, i got some new tyres, ended up getting the re001's, and one of my wheels is buckled a bit. If i put that on the back would it affect my times on the track much?? In other words is it worth $85 fixing it??
Fitted my Yokohama S Drives 19 225/35
Haven't drive much yet, but first impression is that they are awesome.
Look great on the car too.
http://www.nextmod.com.au/project/GT/GTwithVolks2.jpg
haha i got the same set in 17"s
wot u guys think about Hankook V8 Rs H424
We've done about 800kms on the S drives on the DC2R now, at this stage the grip and predictability is still some way off the RE001. May be they take longer to bed in, or tread pattern and construction more conventional, the compund harder or all of the above....Bear in mind the EGsi which has the re001 and the S drives on the dc2r are 2 totally different cars despite the same basic underpinnings with interchangable parts; hence not fair to directly compare them without fitting both sets of tyres onto one car for evaluation. The dc2r is much stiffer in terms of body, has LSD, shorter gearing, and more rearward roll centre and more rear brake bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
On the upside, the S drives are very quiet, touch more comfortable than the re001 ( not that it's anyware near harsh riding ) and well made. One the std dc2r enkeis the biggest balance weight i've seen is 15g, some only 10g and on one wheel there was no balance weight required.
I'll post a review of the re001 and s drives in the review section in a couple of mths.
very interested in what your opinions are on the two as im about to buy one or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by EG30
i had es100's on my dc2r and they were good and therefore was looking at going to s-drives but since the re-001's are getting good praises im now undecided.
btw i now drive a eg vti with 15x7 hence 205x50's, :(
btw are you running 195x55's or 205x50's? on both cars?
cheers
If you like your rims, and you can't get a replacement rim for say $200-300, then yes, get it fixed before it gets worse. Track puts more stress on a buckled rim than on the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by loco_corolla
If you like the ES100s you will be happy with the S drives, the S drives acutally reminds me a lot of the ES100s except it has a meatier on centre steering feel. Trouble with the ES100s were its loss of grip over time, after 2.5-3 years they tend to get rock hard even with 70-80% tread left. I'm hoping the S drives won't go rock hard after a few years. Price wise both the re001 and s drive are around the $180 mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAP96R
205/50R15 perfect size for 15x7s
195/50R15-15x6 fat fives on my EGsi, 195/55R15-15x6 dc2r enkeis on my dc2r.
Don't know if you have something similar out there but the TireRack is a company who primarily sells tires and other accessories. The big difference is you buy tires from them online and they refer you to a local installer.
The nice part is they have a very good tire selection and customers rate their tires based on a number of criteria. Along with their comments it gives you a good feel for what to expect from a particular tire.
Here is a link to their Reviews Section
Check out TireRack.com and see if you find what you're looking for?
I just paid $124ea for my re001's in 195/50/15 from bridgestone select. They had a sale on which ended last saturday and watever stock is left they are still selling for that price so be quick if you want them cause they are now worth around $170ea.Quote:
Originally Posted by EG30
The Yokohamas are a harder compound, so under the same amount of kms, they will have more tread left than the Bridgestones. Both tyres do harden as the years go by. Since the Yokohama is harder to begin with, the effects of losing grip when hardening is more apparent than the Bridgestones.Quote:
Originally Posted by EG30
how long should the re001's last for a daily driver?
I think that really depends on things such as your driving style, so how many km you get out of a set of tyres will vary for everyone.
Not sure if this will help, but, I do a lot of highway driving and i have Bridgestone RE050's (treadwear rating of 140) and i should be on track to get at least 40k km out of them. with a TWR of 220 maybe the RE001's would last me longer?
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Originally Posted by jas_kidd32
if ur talkin bout most common tyre size for 17s for 4cyl cars
its 205/40 R17
and i also do love the RE001's best tyres i've had for the price i paid
they havn't let me down once
and even wen ur drivin in the rain ...u feel so confident that u can drive like its not raining....and they look sexy too :p
Quick heads up. Bob Jane's latest catalog shows that they are selling the Yokohama A.Drive R1 in 225/50 R16 for $179! This model is the slightly more aggressive version of the C.Drive with more road noise, but supposedly stiffer sidewalls.
Hey aaronng, do you know the UTQC for the A.drives?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Nope, I couldn't find them on Yokohama's website. If you call up Yokohama Australia for the UTQG, remember that it is "A.Drive R1", and not just "A.Drive" (which is an economy tyre).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
hows the a drive r1 compared to the s drive?
S.drives are more performance orientated than A.drive R1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Bond
hey guys!
new to this forum and in need of some help with tyres! Need to change my first sset of tyres since i bought my CD5 last year.
The size on the tyre at the moment (Some falken tyre) is 195/60/R15.
Reading the forum over the past day or so - there seems to be a lot of suggestions such as the yoko C, S, A drives, BStone RE001 etc.
But having looked up the charts not many of em seem to have my size on there... is my tyre size non-standard??
And if so - would i be able to fit a 195/55 for instance onto my rim rather than a 195/60???
Sorry for the noob questions!! ><
Any help would be greatly appreciated! :D
C.Drive comes in 195/60 R15. I have that on our Astra. Not a cheap size though. Cost me $150 at Bob-Jane!Quote:
Originally Posted by bunky
Thanks aaronng! 150 a corner is a price i'm willing to pay if it means solid performance in the wet and the dry - which seems to be the case reading past posts on the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I'm also looking at the bridgestones - either the Wide ovals, or the RE001's ... but then again i'm not sure if they come in my size.
Too bad the yoko S Drives don't come in my size - would love a set of those! :D
Thanks again!
Yokohama AVS ES100
Price: Around $350 for tyres to suit 18x8 wheel size, around $500 for tyres to suit 18x9 wheel size
Experience: Excellent handling in both dry and wet road conditions. Extremely noticeable improvement from previous tyres (which were 'Clear' brand, possibly made from recycled tyres or whale blubber). Car handles like it is on rails and inspires much confidence on twisty roads or adverse road conditions.
These tyres are reasonably quiet given their performance orientated design, however, there is noticeable road roar (again significantly quieter than the previously mentioned 'Clear' brand).
Caution! - These tyres make you want to put your foot down when going around the bends.
If you are after performance, the RE001 should exceed that of the C.Drive. The C.Drive was supposedly designed for stability, safe lane changing at highway speeds, good wet grip and low road noise. It's more of a higher level street tyre, but not a performance monster (that's what S.Drives are for). However, the C and S.Drives are a harder compound than the RE001, so the absolute grip of the compound will be lower than that used in the RE001. So go Yoko if you will see many kms within 3 years (above 50,000km or so), otherwise, RE001 would be better for performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by bunky
Cheers mate - thanks for the advice!Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I went with the C drives for the front. Read the forums and seems like a lot of people were happy with it. incl. yourself. lol! got them for 136 a pop from BJ Tmart.
One question i did have was with the RE001s, a lot of places said that it didn't come in my size (195/60/R15)... which was true according to the brochure i had. But the guy at BJ said that i could put a 205/55/R15 on the same Rim, as it would have the same rolling diameter?? Can someone confirm this - or is this total rubbish?? He was the only one to mention this to me when i was asking about the RE001's and the S.Drives.
If it's the case - next time i'll consider the RE001's or the S.Drives. Wasn't going to do it this time around coz the RE001's were 180 a corner - so went with the Cheaper C's.
Thanks for the advice - A+ for the thread! :) :thumbsup:
i dunno about accord but on my civic vtir 15x6.5, it fits the 205/55/15 tyre on it, ive got it on there right now
If 195/60 R15s are your stock size, then yes, you can fit 205/55 R15. The difference in rolling diameter is 9.5mm, which is within the legal limit of 15mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by bunky
Just make sure your rim width can take 205/55. You need to have a rim size from 5.5x15 to 7x15. :)
pretty cheapQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
i paid $225 a corner for my 205 45 r17
Cheers mate - great info, i will keep that in mind when i go for my next set of tires - probably will have to be the back tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
how would i check what size my rims are? i bought the car last november and have never changed the tyres until now. They're not the stockie rims, they are different. some sort of sporty rim or something or other. next time i'll change and ask if its possible to fit.
Also - would there be an issue if i had 195/60/15's on the front and 205/55/15's on the back?? would this cause many issues??
Thanks again!
Just take off a wheel and it's printed on the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by bunky
You are not allowed to use different sizes front and rear on a FWD car. You'll be defected by the police and won't pass a roadworthy check.
ok guys i just pickd up at set of Bridgestone Potenza Adrenalin RE001 at $118 per corner in Inner West Sydney ( 195/50/15 ), balanced & fitted. awesome bargain if u ask me. PM me if you're interested and i can forward ya'll the details and who to ask for. cheers!
EDIT:
G'day peeps just looking for some recommendations today i have been told by multiple tyre mobs to go for these in r16 205/55
bridgestone Re001 at 200 per corner
yokohama c-drive at 200 per corner
yokohama s drive at 225 per corner
dunlop SP3000a at 195 per corner
pirelli dragon at 199 per corner
Toyo t1r at 185 per corner
any help would be appreciated
After driving on re001 for 3000kms range from city, freeway and great ocean road in different condition, i think it is a good model from bridgestone, ride quality is excellent and performance is no doubt 2nd best to all of the tyres i had before, s03 still remain my 1st choice for performance but i don't recommend them on euro, i had it on my s15 before.
Comfort is a bit disappointing as i find way too much tyre noise when driving on rough surface on country roads, despite saying so i was actually quite surprise the excellence wet grip from the tyres when taking twisty great ocear road in down pour condition.
The steering definitely feel more direct, feedback is not excessive but sensitive in a sense that you are able to drive and take the corner with confidence.
Last word, leave your VSA on no matter how superior you think your tyre is.
Is it quieter than the OEM Dunlop SP2050m?