no-one's really angry, its just a discussion about a sport we love, and its a failry major event in that sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7th Gen
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no-one's really angry, its just a discussion about a sport we love, and its a failry major event in that sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7th Gen
bring the law suit in baby
In the end a bitter dissapointment for all.. they found what was probably the worst possible solution out of all their options. Michelin and the F1 teams inc ferrari all had their agendas to look at but the hard line of the FIA towards them was unnecessary.. after all its their show and perhaps they could have acted more towrads ensuring a good show happened and worry about the legalities afterwards.
of course there's a law suit, its America, you get sued if you step on someone's toe accidentally haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by redliner
Yes, but what were you doing wearing ice-skates while walking in the city?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondavirgin
The Michelin-shod teams could not race. They really had no choice. I don't think they should be forced to pay back the fans. Punishing the teams who want a breakaway championship... is that really a smart thing to do?
Punish Michelin. They brought equipment which wasn't up to the task. Bernie should pay out dollar-for-dollar with Michelin, 'cos his team failed to put on a show. They could have done more. Once Michelin had supplied the wrong tyres, there was really nothing they could do.
Either way the fans deserve their money back.
3 fans have filed a law suit against the FIA in the states last night.
I don't think they know who they are up against.
Being dumb Americans, they probably want $8 million US in compensation.
FIA President Max Mosley has reiterated his belief that the Michelin teams should compensate the Indy fans – and insisted that he won’t resign over the debacle.
Speaking to the BBC, Mosley said: "Between the teams and Michelin, they owe the fans the money.
"Morally, there's no question in my mind, they deprived the fans of something. They owe the fans money and they owe the fans compensation for wasted time."
The question of compensation is likely to loom large at next Wednesday's hearing, in which the seven teams will face charges from the FIA that they brought the sport into disrepute.
Mosley also hit backs at claims he should consider his own position following the farce at Indy when just six cars raced in the U.S. GP.
"If something was my fault I'd be first to consider my position, not because a tyre company can't supply the right tyres or the teams won't compromise by running a little bit more slowly through a fast corner.
"I'd be first to accept blame if it was over something I had control but I don't. If I was in charge of the tyres or the teams, it wouldn't have happened."
"It seems that the Michelin teams failed to bring a back-up tyre as usual with them to Indianapolis. As a result they had a performance problem and asked for the circuit to be changed to overcome their difficulty.
"The FIA offered them options to compete safely within the limitations of their tyres."
Paul Stoddart has already called on Mosley to be ousted from office.
"Max Mosley categorically forbid the introduction of that chicane, and he's going to have some serious questions to answer as to why he actually took that decision," the Minardi boss told the BBC.
"I have heard many, many calls for Mosley’s resignation. I would echo that.
"I don't think there is any credible explanation for what went on. I think the president of the FIA has to have a very close look at his position, because many people think his position is untenable."
Bernie Ecclestone is facing the prospect of being sued for the £7.4m it cost to stage Sunday's Indianapolis farce, according to The Guardian.
As F1's commercial rights holder, Ecclestone would be the first port of call should, as expected, Indianapolis’ organisers turn to the lawyers.
"We're going to analyse our situation, our position here," Joie Chitwood, president and chief operating officer of the track, said in a Q & A released by Indy officials.
"We're probably going to respond appropriately in the coming days. There are a number of questions like that which we will have to sit down and look at and come up with a better response."
"We invested a lot of time and effort in preparing this property for a world-class racing event. We feel as victimised as the fans do in what they witnessed today. We had no control over the ability to stage an event. The people who had the ability to control things today were the FIA, Formula One Management and Michelin. I believe Mr Ecclestone is aware of the position and our unhappiness with what occurred."
Bernie himself sounds prepared for a legal battle.
"If I was a race organiser and I found myself in a position that I had to reimburse the paying customers, then I might well seek to make good my loss from somebody else," he said.
"On the other hand you could take the view that Indianapolis had a round of the formula one world championship and that's it. The Indy organisers are well versed with the unpredictability of this business. IRL and Nascar races can be delayed by a day or so because they don't race in the rain."
Meanwhile, it's claimed that the primary motive of the seven Michelin teams emerging from the pits for the formation lap was to complete their obligations to the race promoter – and thus avoid any legal complications.
The first lawsuit over the Indy farce has been filed in the U.S.
The Indy Star reports that one Larry Bowers, a Colorado resident, has 'filed a class action lawsuit against the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA), Formula One Group, Formula One Administration, Michelin Tires and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway following Sunday’s United States Grand Prix.'
Bowers is claiming that the event was fraudulent, and that 'Formula One, the FIA, Michelin, the teams equipped by Michelin and the Indianapolis Motor Speedway forged an agreement allowing the Michelin teams to participate in the formation lap and then exit the track prior to the start of the race.'
'The alleged 'race' participated by just three teams did not constitute a true grand prix race under FIA and Formula One rules in that the race was started with an insufficient number of participants,' the lawsuit declares.
Bowers is seeking reimbursement for the five tickets he bought for the event and 'other costs' he spent as part of his attendance.
each haha :DQuote:
Originally Posted by LUD02C
I don't see how the FIA can be sued, they merely enforced the rules of the sport, Michelin teams and Michelin themselves didn't contract with Indianapolis or the spectators, so the only avenue appears to Indy.
However, most tickets i've seen have some sort of disclaimer on them, so that could save Indy. Then indy will have to go after Bernie. Good luck too, i'm sure his contracts are watertight.
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Originally Posted by LUD02C
I hear that!
and I must say I love enoch too
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ferrari did nothing wrong, the only group in the wrong is michellin
they didnt provide correct tyres, they are at fault
why drag ferrari into it?
lolz wonder if they'll actually get away with that...Quote:
Meanwhile, it's claimed that the primary motive of the seven Michelin teams emerging from the pits for the formation lap was to complete their obligations to the race promoter – and thus avoid any legal complications.