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YEAH why was this started in a HONDA forum.
i think 99% of ppl here wouldnt choose a commodore/falcon over a DC5 or S2000 even NSX.
RIGHT?????
since driving a HONDA i find it the most enjoyable car that i have owned.
having owned a falcon, commodore, 200sx i have to say my GSI would out handle them 3 easy and eat the falcon and commodore in a straight line.
not to mention its a hell of a lot better in fuel economy.
For those who say pushrods are ancient and DOHC is the ONLY way, why don't your drop your dino-fuel burning lump of metal and go clean with new hydrogen/electric/compressed air engines? :D
Pushrods may be older, but they are not worse than DOHC. There are applications where pushrods are more suitable than DOHC.
i said it once and i'll say it again, 1uz-fe 15years old quad cam 4l lexus v8.
6bolt mains and super over engineered with a meesly 190kw. these things will take 12psi of booste on stock internals and with changed to forged pistons and rods will safely make 1000hp ie thats y the supra boys are finaly waking up and changing out there 1jz and 2jz's for them these things are incredibly underated and cheap and all the ls1 baggers, just add booste to a ls1 and they turn into wild machines for a low low price.
after every thing tho, wats more important, awsome power or that un mistakeable old skool wild american burble of 351 clevland with big cams and holly 850 or soming simmilar.
cheap wine comes in 6L! :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by V8_Hero
12psi and forgies to make 1000hp hey, wow I never knew it was so easy! Just messin with buddy;) I like the 1uz-fe motor, so smooth, so much potential, but I like the rumble of other 8's more lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by urtwhistle
And to all those saying GM V8's are pieces of ancient shit with old technology, I'll take an LT-5 from a Corvette ZR-1. Production motor, all aluminium block, cast iron main bearings supports cast in, built for high revs. 32 valve (4 valves per cylinder;) ) 5.7 litre DOHC V8, 72000rpm, 405hp. Released in 1990 (375hp model, 405hp version was released in 93). Gm had Lotus design the motor and it was built by Mercury Marine. Only about 7000 vehicles got this motor, I'd kill for one lol, there's a red lx Torana hatch in qld with one in it, stock with an exhaust it ran 12.9 down the quarter... @ 111mph..can you say low 12's?
Hehehe
Holden muscle, it's just funny that some people are even typing LS2 or what ever number so close to the likes of engines that come out from BMW, Audi, Merc ect. It is different league, it's like comparing honda VTEC engines with Hyundai HVT engines.
For me 1/4mile times are not important, so big muscle car is out of my interest, but if I was ever gonna get a big 8 it would be German (BMW, Merc & Audi), I know that these are more expensive but what is the point of getting cheap 6.0l holden if the only good thing in the car is me :). Then again why go for big V8 if you can get a good 6 cyl with turbo that will be good for all type of racing as well as going to shoping, yes I am talking about GT-R, just look at this one done by XSPEED here in Perth.
This is just sick, it's good for drags, it's good for track racing and it's good for every day driving, plus very very reliable.
http://www.xspeed.com.au/imagess/secret/nissan/85/2.jpg
http://www.xspeed.com.au/imagess/sec...652_edited.jpg
By the way my cuz works as car salesman for holden, few days ago he was driving brand new SS LD (it had headers, exhaust carbon air intake and chip, that's what he said), car was nice, very nice muscle sound, but he had a drag with one of my mates i S15 (exhaust, intercooler air intake) and my mate just blow him away from the lights and also when they did rolling start, so much for holden power.
Letc compare the top of the line BMW 5L V10 engine (found in the M5) to that of the LS7 found in the zo6 (and soon to be in the HSV GTS range).Quote:
Holden muscle, it's just funny that some people are even typing LS2 or what ever number so close to the likes of engines that come out from BMW, Audi, Merc ect. It is different league, it's like comparing honda VTEC engines with Hyundai HVT engines.
BMW
5L
V10
500hp
7,750rpm
384 ft lb torque
520Nm @ 6,100rpm
VETTE
7L
V8
505hp
7,000rpm
475 ft lb torque
644Nm @ 4,800rpm
From the specs above I would say that GM's LS7 is a far superior engine to that of the award winning BMW engine. I would also guess that the GM engine would be far more reliable (less technology), cheaper to build and maintain, more fuel effecient and also lighter.
In a turbo car it really depends on the state of tune and also how much boost your running. If you think that all holdens are easy beats then you havent seen the more powerful ones. Look at the holden forum (LS1), look at their quarter mile times and power levels, these engine are highly moddable. Its no wonder that americans love putting the LS engines into jap cars (300zx, mazdas etc).Quote:
By the way my cuz works as car salesman for holden, few days ago he was driving brand new SS LD (it had headers, exhaust carbon air intake and chip, that's what he said), car was nice, very nice muscle sound, but he had a drag with one of my mates i S15 (exhaust, intercooler air intake) and my mate just blow him away from the lights and also when they did rolling start, so much for holden power.
If Americans could make a good car and engine it would be sold all over the world and it would be popular everywhere, but because all they care for is 1/4 mile and big dissplacment they can't take on big power houses like BMW, Merc, Audi, Honda ect on global stage.
The new Vettes are ranked as one of the best cars in the world....why sell something good overseas when you can sell just as many and keep them for yourself....
JUST TO PROVE YOU WRONG............here is the Nurburgring lap times. Near the top is the new 2005 corvette Z06 with an LS engine. Compared with the other cars in the list the vette is an excellent bargain. You also have to remember that the vette when driven sedately can get 28 or more miles per galon, which is excellent for any car especially for a 505hp one. So what was that about American cars/engine not being able to take on the world?Quote:
If Americans could make a good car and engine it would be sold all over the world and it would be popular everywhere, but because all they care for is 1/4 mile and big dissplacment they can't take on big power houses like BMW, Merc, Audi, Honda ect on global stage.
Nurburgring Lap times
6:55 - Radical SR8 2005
7:14 - Donkervoort D8 270 RS - 2005
7:15 - Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS - 2005
7:18 - Donkervoort D8 RS - 2004
7:19 - Radical SR3 1500 Turbo - 2003
7:28 - Porsche Carrera GT - 2004
7:32 - Pagani Zonda F - 2005
7:32 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO - 2001
7:34 - Koenigsegg CCR - 2005
7:40 - Bugatti 16/4 Veyron - 2005
7:40 - Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren - 2004
7:41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp - 2004
7:42 - Ford GT - 2005
7:42 - Mosler MT900S Photon - 2004
7:42 - Radical 1500 SR3 2003
7:42.9 - Corvette Z06 - 2005
7:43 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS - 2005
7:43 - TechArt Porsche GT Street - 2002
7:43 - Lamborghini Murcielago 2002
7:44 - Pagani Zonda C12 S - 2002
7:45 - McLaren F1 (the lap time is taken from a video available at pistonheads driven by the cars owner, not a proper factory driver).
7:46 - Jaguar XJ220 - 2000
7:46 - Porsche 996 GT2 - 2001
7:47 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS - 2004
7:49 - Porsche 996 GT3 Cup - 1999
7:50 - BMW E46 M3 CSL - 2003
7:50 - Westfield Megabusa - 1999
7:52 - BMW M5 (E60) date of test unkown.
7:52 - Lamborghini Gallardo 2003
7:54 - Mercedes CLK DTM AMG - 2005
7:55 - Caterham R500 Superlight - 2000
7:56 - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale - 2004
7:56 - Porsche 996 Turbo - 2000
7:56 - Chevrolet Corvette Z05 C5 2003
7:56.- Honda NSX-R - 2002
7:58 - Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI - 2005
7:59 - Chevrolet C6 Z51
7:59 - Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R - 1997
7:59.93 - Subaru Impreza WRX STi spec C prototype - 2004
8:03 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage - 2005
8:04 - Lamborghini Diablo GT - 2000
8:05 - Ferrari 575M - 2002
8:05 - Ruf CTR -
8:06 - Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG 2002
8'06.59 - Impreza Sti spec C - 2002
8:07 - Ferrari 550 Maranello - 1998
8:09 - BMW M6 - 2005
8:09 - Ferrari 360 Modena - 1999
8:09 - Lamborghini Diablo SV - 1997
8:10 - Chrysler Viper GTS - 1997
8:10 - Donkervoort D8 180R - 2001
8:10.75 - Subaru Impreza WRX STi Version III sedan - 1997
8:11 - Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IX - 2005
8:11 - Porsche Cayman S - 2005
8:13 - BMW M5 E60 - 2004
8:13 - Lotus Esprit Sport 350 - 1999
8:13 - Dodge Viper SRT-10 2004
8:14 - Mercedes SL 65 AMG - 2005
8:15 - Alpina Roadster S - 2005
8:15 - Corvette C6 - 2005
8:15 - Ruf 911 CTR 2 -
8:16 - AC-Schnitzer M3 CLS II E36 - 1996
8:16 - AC-Schnitzer V8 Topster
8:16 - Aston Martin DB9 2004
8:17 - Aston Martin V12 Vanquish - 2003
8:18 - BMW Z8 - 2000
8:18 - Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition - 2003
8:18 - Ferrari F355 - 1996
8:18 - Maserati GranSport - 2004
8:20 - Audi RS6 - 2001
8:20 - BMW M3 E36 -
8:22 - BMW M3 E46 - 2000
8:22 - BMW M Coupe - 1998
8:22 - Mercedes-Benz C55 - 1999
8:22.38 - Nissan Skyline R32 GTR -
8:25 - Corvette Callaway C12 - 1999
8:26 - Nissan 350Z - 2003
8:28 - BMW M5 - 1999
8'28.93 - Subaru Impreza WRX - 1992
8:29 - Audi S4 4.2 Avant - 2003
8:31 - Cadillac STS-V - 2005,
8:32 - Lotus Exige - 2004
8:32 - BMW Z4 3.0 SMG - 2003
8:32 - Porsche Boxster S - 1999
8:32 - Volkswagen Golf R32 -
8:34 - Vauxhall VX220 Turbo - 2004
8:35 - BMW 130i 2005
8:35 - BMW M3 SMG E36 - 1997
8:35 - Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupι - 2002
8:36 - Jaguar XKR Performance Kit - 2000
8:36 - Porsche Boxster - 2003
8:37 - Maserati 3200GT - 2002
8:38 - Renault Megane Sport Trophy - 2005
8:38 - Porsche 996 Carrera -
8:39 - Morgan Aero 8 - 2004
8:40 - Holden GTS - 2000
8:40 - Chevrolet Corvette C5 automatic - 1999
8:41 - Aston Martin DB7 - 1999
8:41 - Audi S3 - 1999
8:42 - Audi TT 1.8 quattro - 2000
8:42 - Audi S4 - 1998
8:43 - Honda Integra Type R - 2000
8:47 - Honda Civic Type-R - 2001
8:49 - Renault Clio Sport V6 - 2001
8:51 - Alfa Romeo 156 GTA - 2002
8:51 - Ford Focus ST - 2005
8:54 - VW Golf GTI 25th Anniversary - 2002
8:55 - Mini Cooper S Works - 2004
8:58 - Lotus Esprit Turbo SE - 1997
9:05 - Ford Focus RS - 2005
9:07 - Mercedes SLK 230 - 2001
9:07 - AMG Mercedes SLK 230 - 1999
9:09 - VW Golf V6 4Motion 2002
9:57.7 Alfa Romeo 1600 GTA - 1966
The C6 Z06 above ran on street tires..........................
http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/1384471d.jpg
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Originally Posted by monaroCountry
i doubt conditions/driver were same on all occasions... hardly relevant
And once again i say comparing engines is not comparing cars.... GET IT?
I'm sure a nsx with a ls2 in it would be quicker than corvette...
Congrats to GM for producing such a well balanced/ great value car (they've only had 60yrs or so to do it:rolleyes: ...) but to say its engine is 'THE BEST IN THE WORLD'?
To find out what engine would win you would need a control car, and, one by one test each engine in it, in real world conditions, until then no1 will kno...