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Originally posted by 7ypeR
"All I can say (without offending anyone) is that the Euro is a bucket of sh*t from the factory. The kind of slow that makes you not buy the car."
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I have to disagree with the above statement.
The reason being that most euro buyers realise they are purchasing a "medium sized (and weight)family sedan" and do not expect sports car performance.
That having been said, personally I believe, as many other Euro owners would agree, it is a great car to mod due to the potential of the technology that is built into it.
The lack of power/torque for a car with the euro's potential handling etc is a disapointment for many owners as the car, with similar power to the jtune xtreme package, (from the factory) would make it very competitive in the "sports sedan category" against turbo 4's.
My main gripes with the lack of power/torque in after 1 yr of owning a euro
is the constant downchanging gears around town due to the lack of torque.
Also, with highway driving, using cruise control in 6th gear I manage to get about 6.5L/100k's, however having to change back to 4th or 5th to pass (as 6th gear is useless for this) I find it a nuisance to have to constantly reset the cruise control. Now I've got some mumbo in 6th gear!
Speaking of a 5.0L SS 179kw Commodore VT, I sold mine in January, to be honest I was glad to get rid of it, piece of crap...IMHO
I had traded in a V6 VTi 147kw 98 Accord, great car, crap gearbox.
Anyway, that got me hooked on Honda cars.(Always owned Honda bikes)
The funny thing is Euro, VT SS V8 and 98 Accord VTi all have about the same power to weight ratio.
So, my last 3 cars would all do theoretically approximately the same 400m times.
If I really wanted to get to 100kph as quick as possible I would get a 1000cc road bike and do it in under 3 sec.
Having been used to 6's And V8's, what I was missing was torque.
By upgrading the power on my euro, I am now getting the torque I was after, but also have a damn quick car down the 400m.(for a family car)
Interesting to do a power to weight comparison.
(close enough anyway )
Euro Lux 1440kg - 140kw =10.28kg/kw
Accord VTi V6 1480kg -147kw =10.06kg/kw
VT SS 5.0LV8 1800kg -179kw =10.05kg/kw
07CivicTypeR 1345kg- 148kw =9.08kg/kw
06 Accord V6 1480kg -177kw =8.53kg/kw
Integra TypeR 1160kg -147kw =7.89kg/kw
VZ SS 6L 1660kg -260kw =6.38kg/kw
Euro Lux 1450kg -196kw =7.39kg/kw
(with jtune
xtreme if 40%gain)
Euro Lux 1450kg -182kw =7.96kg/kw
(with jtune
xtreme if 30%gain)
But, personally I was not after a car that would blow off Rexys at the lights, but a car that was tractable at low revs, and not have to be contantly changing gears. Love driving a manual, but lots of traffic and my busted hip and pelvis gives me hell! (note-Honda motorbikes don't have air bags!)
Having ridden large capacity road bikes, I liken it to riding a 1000cc road bike, compared to a 600cc sports bike on which the gearbox gets twice the use to to the revs required.
Anyway, having had the opportunity to do a lot of driving in different conditions this week with the xtreme package, I can honestly say it has exceeded my expectations performance wise.
It has turned my euro into a beast....lol.....almost
Okay, now who's gonna shoot me down?...............:)