He probably doesn't...Like most other comments made by anyone on these forums lol.
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He probably doesn't...Like most other comments made by anyone on these forums lol.
That is off the Australian toyota website - but it refers to the base model corolla....not the sportivoQuote:
Originally Posted by toyota
I always thought that the difference between base the sportivo is of the kit (I mean looks wise) and bigger wheels ?? Would the kit that comes on the sportivo give it even better aerodynamics?
If anything it would hinder the drag coeficient.
of the two civic vtir's in my area.
One is owned by a guy who is a sales rep for a toyota dealer. As such i met up with him and did some minor test. When i was stock each time with me driving his car or him driving mine the corolla just before hitting lift was slighly in front. Upon entering lift it surges ahead and once in second its all over there is no way the civic is going to catch up.
How serious is this guy on his cars. Let just say he went out of his way to buy the engine of the new type-r, full performance computer, and various other bits and pieces and is about to get some serious boost from his purchases out of his little civic. Man thats going to fly.
The other i believe is a CXi or what ever else models they come out in and is badged and done up as a vti-r as i've run this guy at least 10 times over the last 5 months as he only lives around the block from me and ive absolutly blasted him. When u chirp 1st and 2nd and do a drive by after i've just ripped you and ive completly backed off by that stage that to me says he's running me.
My conclusion is the civic vtir is a great little 4 banger and in the right hands can perform well, but i have yet to loose to one. Maybe they are all shit driver. But oh well ive got my victories as u might say with other sportivo's u've ran.
Heheh chirping means nothing...I can't drive for shit and sometimes chirp off the line for no reason! hahaha...but yes I agree...most people that do chirp are actually want to run!!
Drag coefficient of 0.30Cd
according to carpoint
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Originally Posted by McChook
Is that why your car is so slow too ?
MrChook: i would love to get some video evidence of me beating a vti-r (both cars stock) again..and again..and again... :x :x :x
and would LOVE to see the reaction on your face. :shock: :shock: :shock:
i know it would definately be hard to swallow, especially for you.
Let's say you do the same mods to the VTi-R as you would on the Sportivo. Making it fair, then let's see how it goes again there.
btw, there are heaps of aftermarket parts out there for the b16. unfortunately, due to being recent the 2zz-ge doesn't have much aftermarket stuff. imagine how it would be if it had the same aftermarket range as the b16. Ouch! That's gotta be another one....
Thanx 4 all the honda owners out there who are actually open minded and are willing to acknowledge there are other cars out there. :thumbsup:
Is it possible to put up times from both cars, not manufacture but these guys who are posting and another guy with an EK4 and put this to rest? We better choose a good driver to rest the fate of this argument :P
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Originally Posted by MR-VTEC
Well i am going to use stats. I think it'd be interesting to test them out on track. Sooo interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by gatecrasher
Check this : Motor BFYB 2003. Tests conducted at Wakefield Park. Times listed are those ONLY of Rick Bates.
180Nm Corolla Sportivo 8.7kg/kW 0-100 = 8.21 0-400=16.0 Lap=1:16.75
196Nm Focus ST170......9.5kg/kW 0-100 = 8.32 0-400=16.2 Lap=1:15.78
200Nm Clio Sport..........8.3kg/kW 0-100 = 7.76 0-400=15.54 Lap=1:14.27
Now, IMHO, (with same driver) a DC2R will be faster than the above. As a whole package (chassis, brakes, LSD, seats etc) it is superb on the track.
But for a 150Nm EK Vti-R with a 9.3kg/kW ratio VS Sportivo Corolla, me thinks it'd be quite interesting :) .......arrghh who cares, let's just hit the track anywayz fellas !!! :nod:
It's good to hear from a couple of guys with the Sportivo. I looked at getting one of those late last year, and as far as value for money goes, I don't think you can go past it as it comes with basically everything you could want....leather, climate control, 6speed 2ZZ all in a pretty decent looking package at $30k! Only thing is, it needs a pretty decent lowering IMO.
Can't remember why I didn't buy one in the end?
All this arguing about the motors is pretty funny actually. I remember that the topic was touched on in the "Why vtec is so much better than VVTi" thread. (It should be VVTLi actually) and I remember TODA AU saying how the 2ZZ is quite similar to the F20C and that it responds amazingly well to the Power FC.
Look, at the end of the day, everyone is really debating about a comparison between apples and oranges. The B-series Honda engines are a generation behind the 2ZZ...I mean the B16 came out in things like gen 2 CR-Xs (late 80s-early 90s) - back when Toyota was still pushing the 4A-GE. A more realistic competitior for the B16 would be the 4A-GE 20valve (if it was in an AUDM car of course)
Don't get me wrong, the B16s are a bloody fantastic engine and obviously stood the test of time, but I think it's pretty fair to say the 2ZZ (in Sportivo guise) offers some major bang for some pretty reasonable dollars and from what TODA AU says, it has some pretty amazing potential too.
I can love and respect all types of cars and as far as reliability and quality goes, there isn't much out there that beats Honda and Toyota.
J