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I did fit 2 front tyre with pirelli pzero dragon (175/65/R15) about 3 weeks ago for $95 per tyre. Very good grip in the dry weather, low noise. I don't know how it go in the wet yet (There are no rain sicne i fit it). But I feel treadwear are bad compare to the old tire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke Accord
Thanks for the reply mate,
Let me know how they go once you get a chance to test them in the wet.
EuroAccord13 has pirelli dragon on his euro, pm him if you want.
Dragons are even harder than the S.Drive at 380! But they do seem to grip good.
Thanks mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by euro77
Hi everyone, my dad is looking for some new tyres for his Mazda 6. I'm not exactly sure of the size 205/55/R16? at a guess.
He doesn't drive much (less than 10k per year).
He's not after performance. Comfort and quiet is what he's after. Old tyres are the stock Potenza RE030's i think.
I know c.drives are highly recommended here, but how "performancy" are they? for that money (or cheaper) could he get something more comfortable and quiet?
Brigdestone Adrenalin RE001 is getting very good feedback for the latest release product.
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Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
I think they'd be too sporty for him. comfort and quiet are way more important than outright grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by V205
Just in case anyone is remotely interested…
Tried the Falken ZE329 on the front at 47psi (up from 45). This resulted in a very slight improvement in steering response (still not good), not much (if any, might be my imagination?) reduction in front grip, and slight increase in harshness.
Then I tried them at 33psi. This resulted in a slight reduction in steering response but some improvement in front grip and reduction in harshness. I retrieved some response by adjusting front Konis to nearly full stiff, but response still sub standard. Not that it really matters, but at higher psi they howl a bit near their limit, but at lower psi this changes to a sort of ‘scrubbing’ sound.
All in all these tyres don’t seem particularly sensitive to psi changes, even big ones! Having said this, it does worry me somewhat running really big psi. At 47psi, after a fastish run on a warm day they gained 4psi so hot tyres are up to 51psi! (right on the max inflation marked on tyre).
These tyres also suffer from another unforgivable sin, they have very little road feel and give little direct information as to whether they are near their limit. You can’t really feel it at the wheel, the only way you know the tyres are at / near the limit is by the increasing under/over steer and the sound they’re making! Having said that, in their defence they are very forgiving as when they approach their limit they ‘let go’ very progressively, but this is more or less what I’d expect from a soft cased, unresponsive tyre.
Now trying them again back on the rear at 33psi. This seems somewhat better than when on the rear at 38psi, but they’re still far from good. When on the rear these tyres make the car ‘wobbly’ (technical term) in the back end and want to oversteer, but not in a nice way (you can feel the tread moving laterally as they load up and slip angle rises). Compared to (some) other tyres, when fitted on the rear they also adversely affect turn-in, so whether fitted front or rear they aren’t good for steering response, though less badly when fitted to the rear than front. The car also feels like it’s rolling more with these tyres (fitted front or rear, but more so when on the rear).
The problem is probably the number of sidewall plies/cords. Upon close inspection of the sidewall blurb I find they only have one polyester sidewall ply (yes, that’s 1, singular). I can’t ever remember seeing sidewalls marked as having less than two sidewall plies. Unless this is a particularly stiff ply (I doubt!) then the sidewall must be very soft compared to nearly any other radial tyre I’ve seen (i.e. bothered to read sidewall). No wonder they generate large slip angles and thus poor steering response.
This also has implications for the tread stiffness because sidewall plies (ply) aren’t only sidewall plies. They’re wrapped from bead to bead and thus form part of the tread construction as well, i.e. the tread is denoted as having one poly ply, two steel and one nylon ply, which is also one less poly tread ply than I can remember seeing on any other tyres. If a tyre had two poly sidewall plies then it would also have two poly tread plies, since they are the same plies. This also suggests that the ZE329 tread isn’t likely to be particularly stiff either…
I don’t like these tyres, at all. No amount of pressure adjustment etc seems likely to turn these pig’s ears into anything remotely resembling a silk purse (perhaps putting them on a 7.5J rim???). It amazes me that they are so much worse than other similarly priced tyres like the Sonar SX608 or Sava Intensa (that I have tried on this car), and probably a number of others (that I haven’t). I suppose things could be worse, I might have bought 4 of these bloody things…
Falken ZE329 perhaps? They are comfortable and quiet, definitely not "performancy" at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
In that case, probably the Yokohama decibel series.
But RE001 is a tyre designed for enjoyment of daily driving too in terms of steering ease and response, not just at the limit.
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Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
The Michelin Precedas might just fit the bill perfectly for your dad's Mazda 6 Hullabaloo...
Very quiet tyre and comfortable, highly rated by the Autosalon mag. Still corners hard despite what the tread pattern looks tame. I specified this tyre on many frens' Euro cars such as Audi A4s and Saab 95s and they are all very happy with this tyre and most importantly it retains much of its grip all the way down to the treadwear indicator.
They are on sale at Bob Jane from memory for $199 each for 205/55R16.
Great, thanks for all the advice guys.
If his car is not lowered and you have 1cm space to the guard to spare, consider 225/50 R16. It's actually similar or cheaper than 205/55 R16 because it's not an OEM size. S.Drive and C.Drive were about $215-220 in 225/50 R16 and $210 for 205/55 R16. Consider the RE001 Adrenalins (I didn't check the price for those though)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
Hey all,
Although not impressed with the fact that Bridgestone do not make left and right tyre in the RE001. I made a decision to try them anyway.
Ordered tyres from the local BS dealer yesterday and went in to have them fitted this morning as I was advised they would be there about 9am. So I turned up and was told they had their delivery but some tyres were stuck at the bottom when they packed and would be dropped of at another store so they could go and get them. I was told they would call me when they come in...
At this point (Pissed off with BS as I'd taken a day of work to get this done and booked into have a wheel alignment with the suspension place) a decision was made to see what else is available in the same sort of bracket as the RE001 did a bit of running around to some other tyre places and found Federal tyres firstly found the 595RS which has been mentioned previously in this thread and is marketed as a " Street legal semi slick" the tread wear rating (TWR) of 180 stamped on the side made me smile... They weren't going to last long but they were definitely going to grip! In the end decided this might be a bit overboard for a car which is mainly driven on the street. The next tyre in Federal’s line up is the 595EVO I’ve searched the posts and found nothing on this forum about this tyre.
First thing for this tyre though I’d compare it to what I had intended to buy. So the 595EVO has a TWR of 240 Traction AA and Temperature A. Remembering the BS RE001 has a TRW of 220 and from what I had previously read here Traction A and Temperature AA.
In the end I thought someone has to try them or we’ll never know. I’ve made an executive decision to be the guinea pig so I’ve bought four of them in a 205/45/16.
Obviously I haven’t had much of a chance to get a feel for them as they were only fitted about lunchtime today. However, my initial feeling is that these will be a reasonable compromise as a high performance street tyre. They seem to have good turn in, stability in a straight line and under brakes. Federal calls them “Street Competition”.
I don’t have much to compare them to... I had a set of G3’s on a pulsar a while ago and so far would have to rate these higher than the G3 even though I haven’t even had them on the car for 24hrs. The only other good tyre I’ve driven on was an FM901 which they don’t make any more and I don’t think that this would be on par with the FM901 which had a TWR of 200.
I’ll try and keep you updated and if it ever rains I’ll let you know what they’re like in the wet...
As for price I was quoted $230 by most for the RE001 in a 205/45/16 but they were going to do them for $213 each – Oh yeah, they never called me...
I picked the Federals up for $205 a tyre and looking at their catalog there are plenty of sizes to cater for pretty much everyone.
Got a couple of pics up on my myspace page here for anyone that’s interested
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...albumId=949036
Oh and here’s the Federal site as well - http://www.federaltyres.com.au/motorsport
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Originally Posted by aaronng
20mm extra seems quite a lot. are there any factors to consider when trying to increase by this much?
On the Mazda6, there is enough space. The only thing to consider is that the minimum rim width must be at least 6.5" to run 225. If you want quiet and grippy (for a normal driver, not an enthusiast), then try Yoko C.Drive. About $200 in 205/55 R16. It's quieter than most OEM tyres!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
Cheers. Been offered an alternative for slightly cheaper. Bridgestone Turanza ER300. Does anyone have any thoughts/experience/comparison with C.drives with those?
If you're talking about ER30, C-Drive > ER30... lol... I don't really like ER30s...
Good.. I just got them today :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by V205
Hopefully they go alright, got them through K-Mart T&A for 159.00ea. (195/55/R15). I didn't have time to research them so don't know much about them at all.
Damn, my reply is too late. ER30 is the OEM tyre on the Corolla Sportivo, and from driving my neighbour's Sportivo, ER30 rates very low on my opinion. How much cheaper is ER30 over the C.Drive? If you want cheaper than C.Drive, go Bridgestone RE001 Adrenalin. It's a higher performance tyre, but it will still be a bit quieter than the ER30.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
Spend about 30 minutes searching and calling around..
Those tyre shop do various in price..
From
Bridgestone dealer(mascot) : $252
to
Kmart auto(broadway): $234
last call
Bridgestone dealer (kingsford): $213
[recommended if u live city, eastern,inner east/west suburbs]
That is crazy, both bridgestone dealer is like within 2 KM next to each other, various in price of $12x dollars.. I just put down the order and will get it installed tomorrow
Subjective, is this for RE001? Kingsford dealer...
Thats right BS RE001 205/40/17
Is that the Bridgestone dealer located behind Maccas?
yes .. behind MacDonald's
I went to fit BS RE001 today..
only fitted front because lock nug is left at home.. going tomorrow again..
just wan2 put in my 2cents...
Currently using:
Tyres: Goodyear GSD3 (205/50/R16)
Price: Just under $200 each
Review: Great in dry, but suffers in the wet. I have experienced wheelspin when taking off in the wet. Apparently there's two versions of this, made in Japan and made in Thailand. I got the Thailand ones because I didnt realize until I checked em later... :thumbdwn:
Also currently using:
Tyres: Yokohama Advan Sport V103 (225/45/R17)
Price: Just a tad over $300 each
Review: Top of the line Yoko tires that can be purchased in Australia. It is rated as "Y" to perform in excess of 300km/h. Performs great in wet and dry performance. Corners hard, will accelerate through corners with no problems whatsoever.
Also, im in the market for some new tyres in the size 205/60/R16. I got a quote today for some Yoko C.Drives for $189 each fitted and balance.
Can anyone tell me if this price is appropriate? Or if they would like to recommend something different altogether...
Thanks guys :)
Got Adrenalin RE001 fitted, finally all of them this morning, owner(bill) at the bridgstone dealer very nice guy and the boys at the place friendly, helpful. definitely give them a ring if you live close by.
Drive pretty hard on the way to work,
Initial impression,
- comfortable and fairly quiet.
- good response at corners.
- grip is good (dry)
it will probably takes couple days for the tyre to wear in properly.
thumbs up. :)
i've got adrenalin re001 at the front and maxxis ma-v1 at the rear. the bridgestones are pretty good, but i find that the grip of my maxxis rear tires is far superior to the bridgestones, as they're making me understeer when they're in the rear, and oversteer when theyre in the front. may try maxxis all around when it comes time for a tyre change.
i have to recommend the Toyo T1R as the first set i used (195/55 R15) were sweet as they lasted me about 40000 km inc 1 track day at willowbak in QLDjust got 2 new ones for the front (205/50 R15) as the old ones became semi slics lol the spring brook cruise helped with that, however with all new tyres u need towork them in to get the best grip and life out of them, so far so good.....
Guy I have a Jazz VTI-S with standard rim of 185/55/r15 and its time to change upgrade my tyres
Yokohama C drives $167 per tyre
Yokahama AS01 $188
RE001 in Size 195/50/R15 quote $230
Hows does these prices sound....just wanna compare in my rim size
dunno bout others bout re001 in 195/50/r15 is it in price of per pc o pair? coz tat's y v.exspensive if it is for per pc
those c drives sound expensive...wheres that quote from?..i got mine for $160 and they are 195/55/15 but that was over a year agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Catcha
I bought the RE001s in 205/50 15 (less popular than your size hence cost a bit more) for $172 each, fitted and balanced. Don't know why they're quoting you so much :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Catcha
$230 for RE001 at that size sounds a bit expensive, mine are 225/45/R18 and they cost me $265 a corner, but that was before a price hike in September, even then would not be such a price diffQuote:
Originally Posted by Catcha
I emailed Bob jane last time C drives $191 per tyre
compared to Tyre power for $167 .....each
I'm looking at going at RE001 but his waiting for a Rep to come up and see what sort of better price he could get......... I ask roughly ball park and he said $230 off the top of his head...so I gotta wait next week for the better price.....
Oh Bridgestone are also putting up there prices for tyres.
my 185/55/15 limit me to my choices hence it more expensive not as popular
So going 195/50/15 .
It should be cheaper and won't effect too much rolling diamater.
Does anyone know if insurance is affected ?? I know when you change tyres load and speed rating have to be the same or higher grade so you don't void insurance..
from me going 195/50/15 that shouldn't present a problem right ?
225/45/17 RE001
i was quoted 310 bucks per corner but got it down to 275 bucks
all it takes is a bit of bargaining :p
you would need 195/50/15 to keep the rolling radius the same only a smallest amount of difference your spedo could be saying 80kph your actual speed is eg 78kphQuote:
Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
I bought RE001 for my car, 195/50/15s for $144 each corner fitted...my guess is the price difference is by ur locations (cities/towns), cos i know syd ppl can get $129 each for the same specs i have...
nope, bridgestone have bumped up the price majorly in the last two months. my brother was quoted 240 for 195/50R15, whilst i only paid 144.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sydsyd
CRAP!!! What a price hike :(
just get adrenalins for the front. their turn in response seems to be unparallel'd in the street radial class, and get something cheap and good in the rear, like wide oval firehawks (you can get 215/60r15 of these for like 130, which is ridiculously cheap and makes you wonder if the adrenalins are worth it).
Not too safe at the limit though (in case you need to swerve to avoid a 'roo). I tried S02 at the front and Dunlop cheapos at the rear and my car actually is very very tail happy eventhough it has a long wheelbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
firehawks are grade a traction, and are generally a sports tyre, its only cheap in price, not quality. theyre also technically the same as the old g3 potenza.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Most tyres are grade A in traction though.... Even Maxxis tyres :).Quote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
nothing wrong with maxxis tyres... my maxxis tyres outperform my adrenalins, grip-wise and endurance-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
And there is going to be another one at the end of this month againQuote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
I just got quoted $210 for RE001 in 205/55 R16 and 225/50 R16, both the same price.
guys don't forget tyre shops often bump up the price of the tyres you originally enquired in order to make the tyres they want to flock off to you look cheap ie $60 a tyre cheaper if you went for the brand X model Y tyre instead of the re001 you wanted.
not only they have more margins on their fav brand X, but also much better credit terms ie 60 days instead of having to order in the re001 from bridgestone and pay for it soon after. And brand X would also offer incentives such as free holidays, department store vouchers to the shop if they hit a certain target so little wonder some tyre chains sing praises about brand X, Y, Z and bags everything else on the market.
the firehawk wide oval v good tyre, I specified a set for a lady fren's EJ GLi coupe in 185/60R14 ( to replace the RE711 which I prev specified some 4.5 years and 85000kms ago and that's despite the TWR of 140! )Quote:
Originally Posted by SeverAMV
apparently the carcass is very similar to the S02, as a hand me down from bridgestone's old flagship wonder tyre some years ago and almost identical to the Maxxis ma-z1 tread pattern so they must be good carcass and pattern design respectively if their design elements still live on today.
the only downside is more pronunced tyre roar you hear, but it rides well, grip v well and has much less tread squirm when new compared to the GIII. When i need to replace my 185/60R14 in my CRX it will be between these firehawk or the G force sport or the MA-Z1 if they make it in my size.
Aaron, would you mind asking the same place for RE001 in 225/45/17?
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by aaronng
I'll call to order the tyres in tomorrow and probably install them on saturday. I'll ask them for the price of 225/45 R17 for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by V205
They were my local Tyrepower stores here in Melb.
Got the quote, it's $297 each! Ouch! I'm getting my 205/55 R16 RE001 fitted and balanced for $209 each at the same place.Quote:
Originally Posted by V205
Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone has recently fitted a set of these and what they cost?
I'm in Canberra but do go to Sydney pretty frequently so that is always an option.
230-240 a corner i reckon, give them a ring
mite be a little less, the profile is pretty popular i reckon
I'm fitting them tomorrow in 205/55 R16 for $209 each (I'm located in Melb).Quote:
Originally Posted by blackfriday
Well you can understand why I nearly fell off my chair when I got the quote of $290 a corner...
fitted the re001 in 17's for ~$250 per corner at bridgestone smithfield about 2 weeks ago
Got RE001s on my car now. First impressions, much quieter than my 3 year old Dunlop SP2050m's. Steering response is slightly poorer, but it could be from the tyre not being scrubbed in yet.
I too have jumped on the Re001 bandwagon. They are much better than C.Drive, but haven't tracked them yet to see the proof (I'm sure they will be better though). Steering feel is better, just as quiet, good with deep puddles and nice strong sidewalls. Rung around and the best price I got for 205/50/16 was something like $210 a tyre at Kmart, after seeing what price they could do on 10 tyres (2 cars with the same tyre size) they sold them to me for $180 a tyre. For what its worth I'm up in Brisbane.
Hi, what size exactly?
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Originally Posted by ap
hey ppl 1st time buying tyres ever 4 me. was keen on some re001's but they sound like they r gonna be abit too expensive now. ne1 have an idea of the prices for 195/50/15 or 195/55/15 (not sure which 1 suits me best, its for an EK)
budget is about $700, located in brissy if that helps.
if its gonna cost way over my budget, wat other tyres are recommended?
add another $100 and you have yourself a set of ad07's from max hondapower
ask around at a few places before buying. the 195/55R15 should be a little cheaper than the 50 sidewall profile. should be able to get all four for under 700 if you hurry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
note that the adrenalins have a low treadwear rating so you'll be replacing them pretty quickly (not as fast as slicks, but yeah, you get the picture). if you want something that will last longer, just get the firehawk wide ovals, theyre half the price for the wider stuff, grip is on par with the old potenza g3.
Aaronng, steering response of the RE001 is poorer than the SP2050??
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Originally Posted by aaronng
That was with 0km on the RE001. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by V205
They have worn in a bit more now and no way am I going back to SP2050m. :thumbsup:
I think RE050 has a treadwear rating of 140? RE001 has a rating of 220, so they are harder (or at least use a longer wearing compound).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
that is correct.. re050 have treadwear of 140.. re070 has 140 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Updated quote from bridgestone Bob jane
for the RE001 for my honda jazz
195/50/15 $144
195/55/15 $183
C drives
185/55/15 $191
195/50/15 $148
195/55/15 $183
I might be going the 195/50/15 in the RE001. Big price difference from what I was quoted
yeh look, as a rough guide...as soon as u start getting into sort of wide tyres with a low profile, the prices skyrocket because they are not a common size...Quote:
Originally Posted by Catcha
205 45 17, is a pretty shit size in terms of price
normally decent cheap tyres are not available in that size, so ud have to get a performance tyre, and the price can be anywere between 230 to 300+ a corner
215 45 17 is another shit size...
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Originally Posted by Catcha
:O i wud have thought the 195/55 profile wud be cheaper since its bigger
More expensive because the sporty cars from the 90's use 195/55 R15.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
so u sayin they pump up the price coz its common, or its not so common nemore hence the price?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Is it a slight improvement or a transformation? :)
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Originally Posted by aaronng
Transformation. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by V205
It depends on the brand. Some bump up the prices on common sizes, while others charge more for sizes that are only made in small quantities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
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Originally Posted by Killa From Manila
I questioned the guy about that.....
He just said that make more in the size therefore it was cheaper.........
i'm not complaining.......I had to ask the guy 3 times to makre sure the RE001 were at that price and ring up and check that Adrenalin are only called RE001
computer comes up Adrenalin but no RE001....
This was the case when I was asking at Kmart $137 per tyre for the RE001
Because 185/55/15 is a limited size they charge and arm and a leg for Original tyres cause not much are made in that size. guy reckons 17 inch is they make the most in
RE050s cost more than RE001s at the moment, found out the hard way when my RE050 oem tires punctured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hullabaloo
RE050 is more expensive because it is an OEM tyre. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 6ary
The price for my OEM Dunlop SP2050 was much much higher than the RE001.
cool hopefully i can get a set for around that priceQuote:
Originally Posted by Catcha