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James called me last friday to give an update and to invite me to the demo day in syd on the 17th. Id love to go but have commitments.
He did mention that they will be doing most of the extreme flashes and so on first so theres going to be a wait for the mild flash. I dont mind waiting as long as im informed, and hes done this so its all good.
If theres a lot more people ordering the mild flash then it will come quicker. Thats the gist of it.
Cant wait for your opinions after the demo day!
agreed, im goin to come to the demo =D hehe
why will more people ordering the mild flash make it come quicker? havent they already sorted out the flash? and its just a simple reflash of they existing ecu?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
More demand means higher priority. I mean if someone comes into macca's and places an order for 20 cheeseburgers and you have a side order of big macs just about to go in just to replace whats at the front......which would you do first?
lol great analogy
http://www.bloggerheads.com/images/crazy_frog_vader.jpg
But this isnt burgers, and theres none of them being made to just sit around :p
I got something on on 17... so cant make it....
Its got more to do with raising capital. But I think you guys know that.
Should be a heap of comments from peeps here going to the 17th Nov demo day. Wish I was there.
Wish I could make it too - I'll be overseas! Hope to see lotsa comments abt it tho to make up for me missing out.
So from wat it says, if you sign up and bring your car down there, James is gonna put the mild flash on your car and then u can test drive it for 5 mins? Like actually your car not another test car?
Yeah,that's what it sounds like to me too.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaNz
If thats like the case, i wonder if i can just like pay him the 950 or wateva upfront and take the car like that...:p
That's what i'll be doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaNz
What if he flash your car and you drive home? FOC then??
Maybe he reprogramz teh ecu 2 explod after 10 mins
I dont think thats gunna happen. I think theres a few cars available you can book to drive.
Hrmm i thought if they did do that, that one of the Jtune staff would come along in the car with you or something.
But then, when signing up, they take your details down and all. So should be ok, dont think anyone on OH is dodgey.....
HAHAHAQuote:
Originally Posted by Pumped
hahah.. james bond shit..
ill be attending this demo day too. Signed up to test drive the extreme package n mild package.
thats so stupid - lets say youve already paid for the reflash, but you have to wait 8-10weeks or whatever because of some reason i dont understand...
but if you go to the demo day, they reflash your car, you drive around and go "wow thats heaps fast" then you go back and they flash it back to normal...
anyone else see the stupidity there? why not just leave your car flashed! maybe theres circumstances i dont know about, but i cant see how a simple reflash of the ecu (using 2500points which jtune have already tuned in their testing!) can require an 8-10weeks wait for parts? or whatever is holding it up?
im not having a go at anyone - im just voicing my opinion for all the people that did the right thing by jtune, took the dive into the deep end, already put their names down for the reflash and are still waiting...
are they definately reflashing the car for the test drive? Maybe they are just using a preflashed ECU and then connecting that up?
Either way it is a bloody good idea.
That's what it looks like.Quote from Jtune site.The idea behind the product preview day is to come down and inspect, touch, feel and hear JTune products, as well as meet fellow JTune enthusiasts. The day is also a perfect opportunity to meet and greet the JTune team and your local dealer, giving JTune enthusiasts an open opportunity to ask questions and or go for a drive in a JTune modified car, including your own!The JTune Mild Flash will also be available for clients to test out in their own car, booking is essential so we know how many people we are carting for at each location.unquote.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
This is interesting.
Quote from Jtune site.Whilst the pre order price offered to Hondatech Australia members is now currently closed, please feel free to come down on the day and negotiate a deal on JTune hardware and installation if you have not already placed an order.Unquote.
Negotiate a deal!!!Hmmm.
Negotiate? Surprised to see that word so soon. Maybe they didn't sell as many as they hoped.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
ill give them $10 now, the other $900 when they reflash my ecu...Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
edit: Ok spoke to james. He has clarified. It is a temp install of another ECU so it is the mild flash but you cant keep it. Just try it. The full mild flash is still a while away.
In his credit he called me immediately and explained it very well and i am appreciative of this. All good. Look forward to you guys trying it.
russ i can see why your pissed off!
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Originally Posted by EUR003act
i know exactly what you mean dude, im just glad i didnt sign up!
did you just quote yourself? lol
lol yes... :o
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Originally Posted by EUR003act
i think im going to wait for the next update of the euro rather then this.....its far too slow.
You guys that've signed up for the mild reflash will be lucky to see it before xmas.:(
coz i won't be able to make it, i cant wait to hear butt dyno reviews.....
Just for all your information the test mild Flash will involve the use of a Hondata/Jtune supplied ECU And will just be available for this test drive. Your ECU will not be reflashed then the software removed. This ECU will not match your keys and will have the imobiliser disabled so it can be used in multiple vehicles. This is only for temporary use and for the purpose of seeing what the mild flash feels like from a performance perspective. Jtune will retain your ECU while your car is test driven to ensure no one trys to make off with this ECU.
Ok, time for some reviews from the test driving in Brisbane?????
Hang on, I'll just get my crystal ball out....lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Lukey13
Hasn't happened yet,not 'till the 24th Nov...........:thumbsup:
Ok, smartarse!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
My mistake, I was referring to the Melbourne testdriving that was supposed to happen today.
Anyone????
Calm down, we are all friends here. You did say brisbane and he was just mucking around.
lukey13 - merlin was jokin with you, hence the lol and :thumbsup:
anyway, back on subject, yes id be interested in a review to... thats if theres already been a test day?
Yeah guys, it's all cool! I think my post was misinterpreted there. I didn't mean smart-arse to be offensive. Ah, the ambiguity of brief written messages... ;)
Anyway, has anybody got some feedback from the Jtune testing/installations in Melbourne???
They're prolly all still trying the wipe the smiles off their faces.
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Originally Posted by Lukey13
Actually I was thinking if I had my crystal ball out I would have known you meant Melbourne when you wrote Brisbane......lol....haha......;)
....jk....merlin....magician....crystal ball.....ah forget it.....lol
hahaha i love forums :honda:
someone review already noobs
I suppose the real life results weren't that good eh?
If the results were good I’d be excited and couldn't wait to share. Unless you were told not to mention anything until the other states have seen, though it's a little too late for that as we've already dived in and ordered the gear.
lol u can't just assume that
hehehe I know. I just find it a little funny there's been no posts. Maybe everyone has better things that me to do other than think about my car lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
you must remember its a sunday night :P the results are hot on the dyno so i can't see why they wouldn't be good and personally i'd say even if it was shit or good eitherway people would jump on here asap to flame or congratulate LOL
The day went well with more prospective buyers (non OZHONDA) turning up. Of all the people that went for a drive in the car were quite impressed. Just because none of them has posted means nothing and I think alot of you guys read to much into it.... there are more people than just OZHONDA that are interested in this product....
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/sh...=6175#post6175
mmm sounds like it went well..
cant wait to see it for my self this saturday
how good does the exhaust and header look in the air... very nice
Its niiice :)
hope to hear some mini reviews :p
so how was the Melbourne meet?
Shhh....I think they're all sworn to secrecy.......:zip:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryce
Yeah I cant believe noone knows anything. Better get some good reviews on SAT night or else im having a hissy fit.
Must be keepin that shaith on the downlow
Ah, the old "I'll give you a special discount if you don't post anything up about our product in forums" trick!
Must be part of the price "negotiation" referred to earlier.
I hope people are allowed to speak out and provide customer reviews once they've had the products installed. :confused:
I don't think that's the case otherwise why would they go to the trouble of having these demo days. They're hoping that by demoing both the extreme pack and particularly the mild reflash(on your car)that we'll start spreading the word about how good the Jtune gear is.Anyway i'll know more Sat.afternoon.BTW i've heard that the extreme pack has sold well,it's the mild reflash that has sold below their expectation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lukey13
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Originally Posted by tony1234
So we'll hear from u Sat. night tony1234.....:thumbsup:.......;)we'll see...
........another week for us northerners............:thumbdwn:
There's nothing on the Jtune web site either on feedback. Carn guys, tell us. It just seems so odd that not 1 person has posted about the day.
James, how about feedback on the day from your prostective?
We want feedback from euro owners, not more info from James ( who doesn't post here by the way)Quote:
Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
.....I feel like a mushroom, left in the dark and, well, you know......:(
I think you'll be happy with the extreme pack that you've ordered.I'd get it but at 4K + install i don't want to spend that much as i'll only be keeping the car for another 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
hmms yer wonder why no1 has said anything haha
i read bout a guy who tested the fn2r mild reflash last sat (just said more mid range power)
o wells, only one more day till i can see it hehe
Who will be there tomorrow?
:) ill be there
this threads almost 100 pages lol
Yeah, good question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumped
Can I get an indication of numbers & if you want lunch.
I don't want to under cater the BBQ or drinks.
Just post or PM,
Cheers
Adrian
Just got back from the Jtune preview day in Sydney. About 5-6 Euros and 2 x Civic Type Rs showed up and it was a very warm day today (around 29c). Adrian and his wife Celia organised an awesome BBQ for us too. :thumbsup:
The day started with James explaining how he started the project. Originally he was only going to develop an ECU but he soon realised that the gains were insufficient. He then built an intake to go with the ECU but the gains were still minimal. The situation didn't change much when he added the custom exhaust. When the headers were added he realised that there was a lot more room for tuning and that is why he decided to create the extreme package.
The Jtune team consists of 4 people (if i remember correctly) and one of them (i think his name is Raymond) is an engineer (Aerospace or something) who helped design the parts.
The Jtune hardware was bolted to the wall and I had the chance to have a really close look at them. Here's a quick overview:
Intake - Uses stainless steel instead of aluminium (unlike Injen and K&N) with the pod facing the front (pod filter is mounted upside down). I didn't measure it but i think the tube diameter is even thicker than the Injen CAI one.
Headers - Very long primaries (according to James that design is important for lowering the VTEC point and for increasing mid range torque). The welds and bends are very good with reinforcements at many points to ensure structural strength. Built quality wise it's much better than Comptech and DC sports but not quite as good as Maximworks and Toda.
Exhaust - Full stainless steel construction - 3 inch pipe merges with 2 x 2.5 inch pipes. According to James, he experimented with straight 3 inch pipes and it actually lost power at the top end. Construction is very good but it also weighs a lot more than the stock system. All the stock rubber mounts will be replaced with poly mounts to allow the exhaust to bolt to the car more rigidly. I had a look at it installed on the car and the tips look at bit too shiny and chunky for my liking. From the outside, the exhaust is quite a bit louder than stock, with a fair deep rumble.
ECU - For those who don't know, the ECU is located on the passenger side seat in the carpet area. The extreme package lowers VTEC to 3300rpm. James mentioned that the interest for the mild reflash is very low compared to the extreme package.
According to James, the manufacturing for the hardware parts have started and it will take around 3-4 weeks plus another 3 weeks for shipping (by sea). He's ordered 100 sets and half of them should be ready around Dec-Jan.
Driving impression - I was only the passenger in the car. The Jtune extreme package (i.e I/H/E + ECU) was installed on the standard manual Euro with stock 16" wheels. We only went for a 5 min drive.
Even though the exhaust was quite loud outside, it was actually very quiet inside, with no droning whatsoever at 80km/h cruising speeds. Power down low is not very different from stock but the mid range power has improved noticably with the feeling of increased torque. The engine does not bog down as much in 3rd gear. There was a buzzing sound inside the cabin around 2000-3000rpm and I'm not sure where it's coming from but i suspect it's from the intake.
Overall power increase is not as great as I expected and in terms of acceleration (butt dyno) feels similar to the Toyota Aurion but slower than an RX-8 and 350z. The mid range feels a lot stronger but there's no VTEC kick for those who are wondering. I'm not sure how much power it will make on a roller dyno but i suspect it will be in the 135ish kw mark.
That's all I can remember! :) Sorry I forgot to bring my camera so I don't have any pics.
Thanks for that Sodaz.
You're welcome mate. I feel like too many people (myself included) have been left in the dark for too long.
nice, did u try out the mild reflash aswell or just the extreme?
so you would it be safe to say you weren't overly impressed with the final product?
I only tried the extreme version, not the mild reflash. I have an auto Euro and they only had the manual ECU available.Quote:
Originally Posted by akina
I think it's a good product and it would suit those who have a completely stock car and want a 1 stop shop upgrade but i wouldn't call it mindblowing either.Quote:
Originally Posted by phobolism
215km/h on that back road was pretty impressive
SHHH cant say that out too loudly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumped
he meant on the back straight at eastern creek... he just made a typo :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Pumped
Wasn't that the tacho you were watching...your confused again.....:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumped
Thanks 4 the feedback guys...where's tony1234?....still there?...lol
ohhh i must have misread it hahaha my bad, soz pplQuote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
lol :)
I was pretty impressed,
I tried both the Mild tune in my car and went in the euro with the extreme package
The mild flash isnt a huge gain but its noticeable, it seems to help the low speed jerkiness as well
The extreme package went well, really starts going top end of 3rd
thanks for the detailed impressions sodaz! It's interesting that the Jtune exhaust is heavier than stock. I saved 15kg with my single outlet exhaust.
I don't think I'll be trading in my I/H/E anytime soon for the jtune products but if they ever release a tunable ecu I'd consider it.
At the moment the cheapest tuneable ecu option available for the euro is an EFI brand ecu which is about $3k+ (installed and tuned) from memory.The other option is the motec m400 with optional drive-by-wire compatibility. But I'm sure that setup would easily be in excess of $5k all up.
Yep i'm here.Good writeup sodaz,pretty much covered it.I was fortunate to actually drive the test car with the extreme kit(many thanks to the owner,sorry i forgot your name:o).Power is smooth and linear,no vtec"kick"the car pulls hard from idle to 6k.Exhaust is a little bit loud but we had the windows down so i don't know what it's like with them up.intake wasn't as loud as i expected,when it hit vtec there was a low growl for approx.2-3 secs.then it tapered off quickly to virtually stock sounding.I would get the extreme kit if i was keeping the car for 3-4 or more years so you would get some value out of it.I'll be keeping my car only for another 2 and a bit years(it's 18 mths.old already!!) for business/tax reasons.Another bonus is when you drive the car hard you seem to only need to rev it to about 5-6k,there seems to be no real benefit in revving it any higher.Please keep in mind this was a formed opinion in a 10 min.drive.The mild reflash was then hooked up to my car and i took it for a 10 min.spin.I drove the same route as the extreme car as both passenger and driver so as to be able to give me the best possible idea how they both performed.The mild reflash i thought was quite good,again power delivery was nice and linear.The best way to describe the difference is when you drive your car on a cold night you know how responsive it feels,well it felt like that but it was 30c.Personally i'l be getting the mild reflash as i like how quiet my car is(i must be getting old!!)and maybe the Jtune intake or an icebox and that'll be it for me for engine mods.I think that about covers it.If you want to know more please ask.Also thanks to Adrian,James and the other guys for an informative afternoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
what's it like with the lower vtec point of the mild flash (and where is it exactly?)
About the exhaust piping so it isn't 3 inch straight through ? I thought originally they told 3 inch exhaust made more power than 2.5 inch. Anyway good feedback Sodaz:thumbsup: