My civic's engine blew up Part 2

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Originally Posted by disappointed

I don't understand what you are saying Bludger. I don't agree at all. Bennjamin, where did you get this info. Again it is impossible to over rev the engine under any circumstance because the fuel or ignition is cut off. Car manufacturers build these safe guards into their vehicles.

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Wrong. TOTALLY WRONG. Even with an ECU which cuts off fuel, ignition, launches a cleaver to chop off your right foot to get it off the accelerator pedal, you can exceed the limiter/redline/goodbye-line if you go into too low a gear at too high a speed and release the clutch. For example, going into 1st at 100km/h or going into 2nd at 130km/h, when the gear ratios have the engine at redline at 60km/h in 1st and 100km/h in 2nd.

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Originally Posted by disappointed

I know it can't be done, even at much slower speeds than 100km/h. Try it at 60 or 70 and you'll notice how much more effort is needed to put it in first gear. And it only amplyfies the greater the speed.

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If you double clutch, you can get into 1st at 60km/h with zero effort. I have done that to prove a point before.

The reason you need more effort to get into 1st at that speed without double clutching is because the synchros are trying to get the input shaft speed up to the same as the gear speed. Given enough time and wear, you can get it into 1st at 60km/h or even 100km/h if you are persistent enough.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Wrong. TOTALLY WRONG. Even with an ECU which cuts off fuel, ignition, launches a cleaver to chop off your right foot to get it off the accelerator pedal, you can exceed the limiter/redline/goodbye-line if you go into too low a gear at too high a speed and release the clutch. For example, going into 1st at 100km/h or going into 2nd at 130km/h, when the gear ratios have the engine at redline at 60km/h in 1st and 100km/h in 2nd.

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we have been saying this for the past few hours Aaron, but its not getting through.....

can you please answer my pm to you a few days ago....

thanks

I feel like an idiot now.... why I bother spend my time explaining all these I could learn another language by now.. :(

lol

thats what we needed, a green block gangster, backing up what we're saying

LOL x999999999999

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Originally Posted by VTECMACHINE

Dude, I honestly would not take that sh*t from Honda!

It's one thing to not be able to claim warrenty due to modifiying your car (I actually agree with Honda on that one, sorry). But if they took apart the engine, and took parts from it with out your authority that's seriously uncalled for! Have you paid for the diagonostics etc? You can look at this as yeah it's life, etc etc... but mate this is an asset, which they have damaged in their holding yard, and taken parts of your engine, with no report handed to you what so ever!!!

I would honestly take this to court, and inform the media ASAP.

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lol it pays to hear both sides of the story before suggesting taking it to court or even the media. i work at a dealer so i have heard both sides of the story (not just bobsan's interpretation of it).
if you had heard both sides i doubt you would feel the same :wave:

SANTA3563.. hey.. was just wondering.. how much is the leather interior? ive been looking aroun but not much luck atm..?
I know this has nuffin to do with the damaged engine.. but why put a k20 from a civic when u can put in a f20c?

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Originally Posted by Bludger

we have been saying this for the past few hours Aaron, but its not getting through.....

can you please answer my pm to you a few days ago....

thanks

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I did investigate and found that all he did was call you an "insensitive douchebag." You are more hardcore than he is. :)
I'd give him a slap on his wrist, but hey, this is not school and everyone should act like the grownups they are anyway.

There is a lot of posts to read through - but why is it so hard to find an independent mechanic to look at your engine? What you really need is a report on the likely cause of the failure. If the report suggests that water ingestion or something that you contributed to (over rev) is the cause then you know where you stand.

If the report is inconclusive then you may have something to argue about. Until you get another opinion you are wasting your time.

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Originally Posted by disappointed

I don't understand what you are saying Bludger. I don't agree at all. Bennjamin, where did you get this info. Again it is impossible to over rev the engine under any circumstance because the fuel or ignition is cut off. Car manufacturers build these safe guards into their vehicles.

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You are definately not right in terms of manual Hondas. There are no "downshift" limiters. eg If you are in 6th gear at 120kph and then down shift to 2nd instead of 4th by mistake. Physics will dictate the RPM that the engine will spin up to on downshifts.

What you are thinking of is a fuel cut - on a downshift you can definately have a mechanical over rev.

'disappointed' is quite disappointing. name suits you to a tee. still can't believe that you been a mechanic nearly 28yrs. i think someone needs to take a course in modern mechanical engineering. i dont want to offend you, but you should read what you type before you post. most of it make no sense.

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Originally Posted by panda[cRx]

lol it pays to hear both sides of the story before suggesting taking it to court or even the media. i work at a dealer so i have heard both sides of the story (not just bobsan's interpretation of it).
if you had heard both sides i doubt you would feel the same :wave:

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And exactly what is the other side of the story?