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It's from the states, was going off what one of the members of d-series said xD
What's the differences with D series bottom ends ?
D15 bottom
D16 bottom
D13 bottom
I impulse bought a ED hatch lol, thinking of parting the whole thing and sending the shell to the scrap yard and working on the motor.
There's quite a lot of variation between bottom ends, it's kinda like saying, what's the difference between all D series. Narrow it down a bit and it'll be easier to answer.
wasnt the D15b the only d-series to have come with a factory lsd in the tranny? If so would this mean that the gearbox/lsd could bolt up to our d16 engine/gearbox or are the bolt pattern completely different on the blocks, input shafts and gear box internals ? always wondered that
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Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
No. ...
No D series came with LSD...
Why would they even need LSD??
D15b did in fact come with one, guess many didnt know of that, i dont know why any d-series would need one, lol, but its a plus
Transmission: S20 hydro LSD
As mugen_ctr said, the D15B came with LSD.....
Shows how much the haters know lol.
hahahaha, its just a unknown fact that most dont know, even honda wreckers dont know that :D
Most Honda wreckers that I call for parts don't even know VIN groups..
You say EG3, theyre like whats that ? Which year model ? Old shape or new shape ?
Hopeless sometimes..
i know some EF7 D16 ZC came with LSD
A LSD in a d series is a rare option, only way you know got lsd there no rod in the middle of the diff center when you look through the driveshaft axle holes (seals)
its a rare find, if u do, id say its pretty good find, a good over haul of the old one should be more than enough i rekon, only other options for D16 is the knock off OBX lsd, and than the more expensive quaife lsd, not much option for us unfortunatly
After reading through other forums and opinions of people that have had the D series LSD, it's safe to say that they are crap and weak sos :p
The D15b Box is a weak 1 way clutch LSD. Rare to come by and not worth the coin you would have to pay. May as well buy a helical Mfactory Lsd (OBX are truely shit...) Get it rebuilt with some fresh bearings etc...
i found one in brisbane they were asking for 400
so your saying a d series lsd box is weak
so a non lsd d series box must be real shit then ?
Weres the proof d15 gb is weak? I dont believe any lsd is weak till u thrown double or triple power/torque than its safe to say it cant handle that amount since its beyond whats it intended for, an more info on mfactory lsd for d series, sounds like a treat over expensive quaife
I personally have no experience in regards to how much power a d series gearbox can take.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
But it's all about the engineering, seriously man, why would Honda make an insanely tough gearbox
only to chuck it on the d series, waste of money, time, and effort.
I was going by word of mouth from people that have experienced it over on D-series.
**** yeah my webbers came today!
Still waiting on my manifold from America.
Now to order some jets and a rebuild kit then time to chuck it on when the Manifold comes! :D
You can't expect them to know every niche model on the global market, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
There was several D's with LSD's produced, to expand on my previous answer.
not attacking anyone here, but iev yet to seen or heard that D-series gearbox crack, now maybe iev been hiding under a rock or so, lol, but from just general experience, and talk from others in the USA, its a good gear box, but like any gear box, will break eventually if punished, weather means of double power output or thrashed
Remember honda always over engineeners there cars, why would honda put double wishbone suspension in a basic civic cxi/gli? seems that single McPherson strut is more cost saving in terms of manufacturing and assembling, but honda still did it anyways
hahahaha, yea, a friend of mine was arguing over a wrecker that D15b did have a lsd, but yea true, cant expect everyone to know everything
so this D series that came with LSD, was it aus delivered? or are we talking JDM D15
As far as im aware, the Jdm spec D15b only came with them, and few others have said other D-series came with it, so i guess other d-series did also come with lsd as a option
jdm d15b, dont think any other d come with lsd.Quote:
Originally Posted by will13
http://www.ff-squad.com/technet/how-...sd.dseries.htm
The DOHC ZC and the SOHC ZC (d16a8, d16a6) both came with optional LSD's. the EG VTI also came with a SOHC VTEC D15 that had an optional LSD, The only EK's with LSDs were the B series equipped models.Quote:
Originally Posted by mocchi
so it was optional lsd in australia?Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Sp33~
nope, it was prbs to expensive to be included as an option, australia had the crap end of the deal when it came to any real performance packages, or performance cars for that matter
The only Eks that had lsd was the real EK9, which is an import model, so that doesnt really count, so in a nut shell, no Australian delivered civic had lsd, up until fn2r, which is a real shame
I bet those LSD D-box's are somewhat coveted hey?
Not Australia unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by mocchi
That's not true, but whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
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Originally Posted by ~Sp33~
Feel free to correct me....
Not to sure bout em D lsd being converted, but id like to know as well for future references
The EK4 also had a B series with optional LSD.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
He said 'coveted' not 'converted'.Quote:
Not to sure bout em D lsd being converted, but id like to know as well for future references
i was gunna spam my thoughts ona d-series in this thread
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthr...OHC-VTEC/page3
but decided to put it where it actually belongs
if i had some spare cash and wasnt keen on upgrading to alot faster and new car, id buy a d-series vtec and mod it up
even with my auto - its been so fun working and mantaining the engine
put a few mods in the car with parts given or lying around and taken them out. how i love the sohc vtec.
one pro of having a d-series is that you only have to buy one cam =] or even one cam gear
none of this twin cam stuff haha
Yeah man, the SOHC VTEC is enjoyable in its own right hence I mod mine as well as my B16A :)
just an update with my build
i have successfully bolted on USDM/JDM OEM parts for cheap upgrades to my D15b7
- D16a6 Cam
- D16z6 Intake Manifold
- S20 B000 JDM D15b Transmission (shorter gear ratios + final drive)
there are so many things u can do with the little D that are cheap that ppl here in australia dont explore
if anyone ever wants ANY info or wants to get some cheap parts from USA let me know and ill help you out =D
EDIT -
some extra info on the gearbox can be seen on page 69 of my build thread
any D series gearbox with a S20 sticker and B000 stamp will have nice gear ratio and final drive (JDM D15 + EG5)
the LSD models had LSD printed on them and you can see straight through where the drive shafts mount
its a 50/50 chance u will get a factory LSD box
with the S40 gearbox the only good ratio / final drive box was the D16y8 (vti coupe only) - but unless you are pulling the box directly from the car its hard to tell what they are
they are stamped S40 B000 - but the D16y5 in the vti sedan has the same stamps but has the crappier gear ratio / final drive - so be careful
the main problem here is that honda and wreckers consider them to all be the same - so they will recklessly pull out a gearbox and not label it and you will not be able to tell which is which
which, is a real pain in the ass - especially when the wreckers in WA want $900++ for them - BS prices
i grabbed my JDM D15b gearbox from honbits in perth for $750, it doesnt have LSD but it does have the right markings - S20 B000
this will be a great way for me to suck a little more power out of my little D15b7 on the cheap - my stock box is on the way out after 300 000km ++ anyway lol
750 for a d series box with out lsd is not cheap imo
You could buy a non-vtec b series for that amount of money.
Don't go hatin' facts are facts.
I have the same setup in my eg5 (d15 box with d16y1), doesn't make a huge difference other than that its a little better on fuel because I now sit on 2700rpm at 100 in 5th, rather than 3000rpm with the d16
I would defo have the d15 box over the d16 box tho.
for $750 for reference and labour to fit
was it worth the mod ?
no i didnt want to spend the money - my gearbox failed and it was the cheapest i could find =/
living in WA sux
fair enough mate
should of just got a $50 gb from a d series vtec
now thats cheap
whats the power rating on these gear box before the any damage is done? i heard any where from 300 - 400 hp, or is this a over estimate
couldnt find one ... and all the ones i could find ($500++) had the shit gear ratios =/Quote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
$500 you can buy a whole damned engine lol
is there many d series making this power on here ?Quote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
i looked everywhere in WA - i couldnt find squat that wasnt gona cost me almost a b16Quote:
Originally Posted by dougie_504
i even looked over east and in USA - but the postage was gona be killer
this really was the cheapest option - expensive wrecking parts is the reward i have for living in this corner of the world =(
thats why im asking.... better to know than find out the hard wayQuote:
Originally Posted by 90LAN
i quoted for a d16y1+gearbox+ecu 1700 all up. hahaha wat a fkn joke. almost had a heart attack when the wreckers said that.
mite as well buy a b16a or save up for h22. gz honda wreckers are ridiculous.
maybe shoot bisi an email and find out what he uses on his 700whp beast lolQuote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
gearboxes are usually rated on torque, not HP.Quote:
Originally Posted by mugen_ctr
Unfortunately they sell em' for that price too.Quote:
Originally Posted by honda_zivic
Sucks to be unaware.
i managed to get my d15 gearbox with an exedy oem replacement clutch (almost brand new) for $100
paid a mate to install, goes well. does better skids lol
D15b or D15b7?
b7 (or whatever one the 1.5L carby has)
b7 is the fuel injected SOHC NON VTEC version, D15b is the JDM SOHC fuel injected VTEC version
the JDM D15b has the nicer gear ratios =D
just have a look at the sticker and stamp - if it says S20 B000 than its a winnah - if it says S20 A000 than its just a regular daily box
not really bothered about it hey lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPgH7...eature=related
12.7 for 1/4 mile, not bad I guess.
That's a seriously awesome time for N/A not to mention SOHC.
GOD DAMN!
Listen to that thing!!!!!!
GO da SOHC :)
ok so i took the D out to a track day yesterday and boy did it surprised how resilient they are.
i pushed hard from the get go and it didnt fault one bit the whole day.
i was able to do about 6 to 7 flying laps in a row b4 the sessions ended and how signs of over heating on a 29*C day
i might take it to one more track day b4 i put the B20 in as im actually taking a liking to it now. :P
Yup,sounds like the good ol' d! lol
how hard is it to adjust the tappers? im finding its gettin ever noisy :(
depends what car is it mechanical or hyrdraulic lifters just put thicker oil in she;ll be right
^^ lol
It's easy as man.Once U find TDC on #1 cylinder (easy),U then simply turn the camgear 90 degrees at a time counter clockwise to do the other 3 cylinders in the order that ecu-man says in his DIY on here.
Read it,learn it,any questions PM me and we can talk about it.
Gotta learn,gotta try!!
Once U do,U will be off!
Has anyone here turbo'd their D?
Are d series drive shafts the same, if not then what's compatible with a d16y8????
Yep and it's alot of fun lol... Underestimated fun lolQuote:
Originally Posted by newpaddy3
Ive boosted my D and its so much fun.
Hey, I'm sorry in advance if this advice has already been posted some where and I missed it.
I am running a stock D16Y4 (so no vtec :( ) in my EK. I am at uni, but I have a job that's giving me a bit of cash. I wont be coming into a big amount of money for a few years, so for now an engine swap or another car are out of the question. Bearing this in mind, do you think the bang for my buck would be worth it for me to get a second hand turbo set-up for my D16? and how much would I be looking at?
u guys, just curious does the turbo d pull u bak into ur seats like rexc/gtr (geforce)?
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Originally Posted by honda_zivic
Kinda depends on the setup doesn't it? I see some SOHC D16's running 8-10 PSI and making around 100kw ATW so IMO that wouldn't necessarily throw you back in your seat but then I've also seen turbo D's making 200-245kw ATW which is another story. Depends on how it's done I guess :)
yea what i thought was u need at least 300nm of torque to throw sum mad geforce. like 34 gtr's, sti, evo's they throw u back in the seat.
which is awsome imo.
Not really man. Torque is great, but there's no replacement for horsepower. If you have lots of HP you'll get thrown back...
so u rekon 200-250 atw will do it?lol
thats what im aiming for with my turbo d16 new engine rebuild.
I suppose you're going forged internals on the block haha. Even on a budget build if your engine is rebuilt and you're running 8-10 PSI you should get some very decent power out of it :)
yea of corz forged internals. not expecting miracles just something that hammers for daily drive.
and make me smile.hahaha
mione 167kw at the wheels, broke my first driveshaft but had the setup for 3yrs now...
setup will up for sale soon...P.M me if you interested
Always loved this quote:
http://www.theoldone.com/archive/too...cam_timing.htm
heyy guys
just swapped my eg dual carby for a eg sedan vtec-e
i dont know why i did it but my carbs very getting stuffd so a great deal!
what do u guys think about vtec-e engine? d15z1 i think never herd of it
yes the vtec screams but very late like 5000+ and redline is 7500 whats the point?
do i need a vtec controller idc about efficiency as loong as its better then my dual carb lol
most vtecs kick in at about 5k rpm. Somone will correct me if im wrong but the vtec-e is a 3 stage vtec.
vtec-e is economical vtec. It's not for performance at all. Actually the opposite.
Is there any d series crate engines?
How much does it normally cost to rebuild a D?