D16Y1 into EG Hatch Breeze - How much ?

why need rear disc brakes? cos its vti engine is it?

yer. you need to have same brakes, or better i think it is.

like you know how people put integra R engine in it. they should change brakes aswell to get engineers certificate

Being someone whos out there looking for a vti its pretty hard to find a decent one these days. Most are offering 6+ and its a very small market out there.

Point taken Lan.

I will just stick with the 1.3 carby haha.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by munkaii

Being someone whos out there looking for a vti its pretty hard to find a decent one these days. Most are offering 6+ and its a very small market out there.

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yer true, but keep looking, you will always come across someone who doesnt have a clue what it is, like a girl, and then just bargain it down and rip them off lol.

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Originally Posted by hisoka

yer true, but keep looking, you will always come across someone who doesnt have a clue what it is, like a girl, and then just bargain it down and rip them off lol.

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lol hisoka. ur mean.

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Originally Posted by tiksie

Just wondering how much a D16Y1 would set me back dropped into a EG Hatch Breeze, I understand that it's a tad more money going to EFi from Carby, but what would a rough estimate in price be ? I've seen D16Y1 motors go for as cheap as $300 in good condition!

Cheers

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Interesting! The D16Y1 is a good engine, and, yes, it is a SOHC VTEC but it is a 1.6L, EFI with 96kW. The Breeze was Honda's answer to all the criticisms from the motoring press and the general public that Honda's were too expensive for what you pay (back in the early 90s). It was a stripped down no frills car at the lowest end of the Honda Civic market. I think it only came in one colour - yellow - to distinguish it from other Civics at the time. If you own an early model Breeze (1991-10/1993) you have the 1.3L engine (55kW); if you have one built after 10/1993 you have the 1.5L engine (67kW). The latter is the one to have for simplicity and build quality/functions.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...3-95_front.gif

The upside was that it was the same body shape as the popular EG in Japan and I think it sold quite well.

I am currently transplanting the D16Y1 into an ED and the conversion is fairly involved, least of all what you have identified such as EFI conversion and possible drum-to-disc rear conversion. The latter is not absolutely necessary but because it is an easy swap and relatively cheap to do, the extra braking power would be a good thing.

Upgraded swaybars are cheap and easy to find, and you should have some electric options in the Breeze (although I can't be sure). Sunroof is a take it or leave it option (I rarely use mine), and a tacho can be added aftermarket if you must have one.

I don't know anything about prices for used D16Y1 as mine was from my 1994 EH sedan (which received a JDM B16A transplant a few years ago) but you may be able to find a good used engine at one of the wreckers or even off these forums.

The cost of this conversion is in the time it would take to complete it, not the actual parts. For example, converting the fuel system, the re-wiring, etc.

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Originally Posted by tiksie

I've heard conversions take a weekend ?

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Not from my experience. Anyone who says they can do this conversion (properly) in a weekend is a magician. Maybe if you had all the parts gathered, the wiring all sorted, the fuel tank modified, the brakes setup, a large, empty workshop and several people to help you you might do it in a week but not in a weekend.

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Originally Posted by 90LAN

u need fuel tank/pump, fuel lines, complete wiring loom,
u will need to get it engineer with rear disc etc etc
u must be very patient and have plenty of money to spend
not to mention taking the dash off to fit loom too thats the fun part
and not to mention trying to get it to work
plus what u think a mechanic is going to charge u to do this ?

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Too much misinformation in some of these threads for my linking, and too many naysayers as well. But each person has a valid point in some respects.

You don't need a new fuel tank - the old one can be modified quite easily and you can use your exisitng fuel lines. They just need adapting.

A complete wiring loom would be nice but you can get away with an ECU and partial rewire but it would cost up about $600 to have a pro rewire so, yes, a complete loom would be much better.

You don't need an Engineer's Certificate, only A Change of Details form or Blue Slip from a workshop certifying that the conversion has been done to a certain standard and it is safe. You are only increasing the engine capacity from 1.5L to 1.6L and since the D16Y1 came in the same body shape it is a direct swap with engine mounts and transmission. The engine would be classed as an "option" for the Breeze so no Engineer's Certificate required.

Rear disc not essential but see my comment above.

This is a straightfoward albeit time consuming swap. If you are doing it yourself then it is a worthwhile upgrade, and parts can be sourced easily and inexpensively. If you are paying someone else to do it then, yes, I would have to agree that it could cost big $$ and probably not worth it in the long run.

Removing a Civic dash is easy - putting it back correctly is not as easy unless you label everything carefully and that takes time.

The bottom line is - DIY (Yes); Mechanic (No) too expensive (possibly)

Peter

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Originally Posted by mocchi

lol hisoka. ur mean.

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lol i will rather be mean~then pay 6~7 grand for a overpriced honda. keep trying man, trust me. i found a girl who had one, and i went there the same night lol to bargain.

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Originally Posted by jdm_b16a

Interesting! The D16Y1 is a good engine, and, yes, it is a SOHC VTEC but it is a 1.6L, EFI with 96kW. The Breeze was Honda's answer to all the criticisms from the motoring press and the general public that Honda's were too expensive for what you pay (back in the early 90s). It was a stripped down no frills car at the lowest end of the Honda Civic market. I think it only came in one colour - yellow - to distinguish it from other Civics at the time. If you own an early model Breeze (1991-10/1993) you have the 1.3L engine (55kW); if you have one built after 10/1993 you have the 1.5L engine (67kW). The latter is the one to have for simplicity and build quality/functions.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...3-95_front.gif

The upside was that it was the same body shape as the popular EG in Japan and I think it sold quite well.

I am currently transplanting the D16Y1 into an ED and the conversion is fairly involved, least of all what you have identified such as EFI conversion and possible drum-to-disc rear conversion. The latter is not absolutely necessary but because it is an easy swap and relatively cheap to do, the extra braking power would be a good thing.

Upgraded swaybars are cheap and easy to find, and you should have some electric options in the Breeze (although I can't be sure). Sunroof is a take it or leave it option (I rarely use mine), and a tacho can be added aftermarket if you must have one.

I don't know anything about prices for used D16Y1 as mine was from my 1994 EH sedan (which received a JDM B16A transplant a few years ago) but you may be able to find a good used engine at one of the wreckers or even off these forums.

The cost of this conversion is in the time it would take to complete it, not the actual parts. For example, converting the fuel system, the re-wiring, etc.



Not from my experience. Anyone who says they can do this conversion (properly) in a weekend is a magician. Maybe if you had all the parts gathered, the wiring all sorted, the fuel tank modified, the brakes setup, a large, empty workshop and several people to help you you might do it in a week but not in a weekend.



Too much misinformation in some of these threads for my linking, and too many naysayers as well. But each person has a valid point in some respects.

You don't need a new fuel tank - the old one can be modified quite easily and you can use your exisitng fuel lines. They just need adapting.

A complete wiring loom would be nice but you can get away with an ECU and partial rewire but it would cost up about $600 to have a pro rewire so, yes, a complete loom would be much better.

You don't need an Engineer's Certificate, only A Change of Details form or Blue Slip from a workshop certifying that the conversion has been done to a certain standard and it is safe. You are only increasing the engine capacity from 1.5L to 1.6L and since the D16Y1 came in the same body shape it is a direct swap with engine mounts and transmission. The engine would be classed as an "option" for the Breeze so no Engineer's Certificate required.

Rear disc not essential but see my comment above.

This is a straightfoward albeit time consuming swap. If you are doing it yourself then it is a worthwhile upgrade, and parts can be sourced easily and inexpensively. If you are paying someone else to do it then, yes, I would have to agree that it could cost big $$ and probably not worth it in the long run.

Removing a Civic dash is easy - putting it back correctly is not as easy unless you label everything carefully and that takes time.

The bottom line is - DIY (Yes); Mechanic (No) too expensive (possibly)

Peter

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Wow, thanks for that Peter!

It's good to have some positive feedback every once in a while.

2k max 2 day job taking your time thats including fuel tank and lines and loom engine complete swap over from a vti into a carby eg

Great advice Lan!!

i don't see why an engineer's cert is required. The d16 came in a car with the same bodyshape and same chassis... just transplant, and update your rego info and away you go.

With all the parts ready, i don't see why it couldn't be done in a weekend, unless you're a noob keyboard forum warrior who pays someone else to do every last thing on your car... something that is all too common in this forum.