Semi automatic/performance question(euro)

ok thanks for the advice guys. I was in the impression that if i drive the car manually in the semi auto (presumed it changes gears same as manual without clutch and make the car faster as the manual version) but i was wrong. But i do have one question unanswered, when i keep asking this, i dont get a clear answer about the accord euros engine getting waster with the more you drive. Is there somewhere i can read about this? I would like to know is i drove the euro heaps like 20 000 kms. will its acceleration and engine performance improve. But how much in terms of 0-100 accleration from rest. I would like to read about this if any one can present me with a link. Some one also mentioned that the honda engine gains a few more kws after you drive a bit. the car is 140 kw isnt it? I dont understand this though, how it happens.

Any way euro isnt all that slow. It s auto beats the toyota camry auto, the citrion c5, mazda 6 and a few other v6 cars.

Look your car won't go any faster than what it already is, even the engine eased up after adding a few 10,000kms it's not going to be any faster than what it is now.

If you want to find the answer go have a read through your other thread you started, and the Euro is not all about 0 - 100 times, so get over the fact it's gonna be a pocket rocket.

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Originally Posted by Faiz

ok thanks for the advice guys. I was in the impression that if i drive the car manually in the semi auto (presumed it changes gears same as manual without clutch and make the car faster as the manual version) but i was wrong. But i do have one question unanswered, when i keep asking this, i dont get a clear answer about the accord euros engine getting waster with the more you drive. Is there somewhere i can read about this? I would like to know is i drove the euro heaps like 20 000 kms. will its acceleration and engine performance improve. But how much in terms of 0-100 accleration from rest. I would like to read about this if any one can present me with a link. Some one also mentioned that the honda engine gains a few more kws after you drive a bit. the car is 140 kw isnt it? I dont understand this though, how it happens.

Any way euro isnt all that slow. It s auto beats the toyota camry auto, the citrion c5, mazda 6 and a few other v6 cars.

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Yeah the car is faster with more kms on the clock. I don't think anyone can quantify precisely the difference unless they dynoed the car when new. In the case of my car - it "feels" about 1 second faster to 100k/ph now (with 14,000kms) than when the car had 2000kms on the odo.

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Originally Posted by sugapopcandy

Look your car won't go any faster than what it already is, even the engine eased up after adding a few 10,000kms it's not going to be any faster than what it is now.

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What experiences are you basing this statement on? Do you have experience as an owner of a Euro? If Faiz's car has low kms it will go faster than what it is now when it reaches more than 10,000kms. Mine is still freeing up with 14,000kms on the odo.

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Originally Posted by yfin

What experiences are you basing this statement on? Do you have experience as an owner of a Euro? If Faiz's car has low kms it will go faster than what it is now when it reaches more than 10,000kms. Mine is still freeing up with 14,000kms on the odo.

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If you refer to his other thread, he's expecting a major leap in performance and keeps reiterating questions which have been answered in previous threads and in an automatic transmission IMO the results will almost likely to be slight.

Why does it have to be a Euro and not any other new car to have experiences in new engines being run in and freeing up?
That's like saying a mechanic needs to have worked specifically on a Euro before they know how to diagnose common problems.

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Originally Posted by sugapopcandy

If you refer to his other thread, he's expecting a major leap in performance and keeps reiterating questions which have been answered in previous threads and in an automatic transmission IMO the results will almost likely to be slight.

Why does it have to be a Euro and not any other new car to have experiences in new engines being run in and freeing up?
That's like saying a mechanic needs to have worked specifically on a Euro before they know how to diagnose common problems.

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Fair enough - agree he is unlikely to see a major leap in performance. With my car I have not seen a major leap either - a noticeable leap, yes - but not a major one.

The freeing up time of the Euro does seem particularly long. I am also surprised how different the engine feels on a hot day and a cold day. In Melbourne one day this week is was 32 degrees - my engine was REALLY slow to rev compared to the crisp and cold Melbourne mornings I am used to.... .Hmmm - did I hear someone say cold air intake??

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Originally Posted by Faiz

Some one also mentioned that the honda engine gains a few more kws after you drive a bit. the car is 140 kw isnt it? I dont understand this though, how it happens.

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If anyone misled you to think that it's a unique characteristic of Honda engines, that person is a big idiot. Any engine, and I mean ANY, will loosen up as you clock up some km.

My car had that problem in Syd too, mind you it's no Euro but my DC5 have rev cuts in the summer heat of 37 degrees :( but I guess that's expected.

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Originally Posted by coladuna

If anyone misled you to think that it's a unique characteristic of Honda engines, that person is a big idiot. Any engine, and I mean ANY, will loosen up as you clock up some km.

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I am not sure if this is true as it was shown on best motoring video.
Amuse dyno brand new s2000 and found it only puts out 220hp. And the reported said " in order to achieve 250hp, the car has to travel at least 10000km "

so u dont actually gain power, just that the full potential of the engine is not release when new.

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Originally Posted by jenova

I am not sure if this is true as it was shown on best motoring video.
Amuse dyno brand new s2000 and found it only puts out 220hp. And the reported said " in order to achieve 250hp, the car has to travel at least 10000km "

so u dont actually gain power, just that the full potential of the engine is not release when new.

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What do you mean you are not sure if this is true? Are you saying then that Honda engines are different to other brands when it comes to breaking in the engine? I just don't get how that s2000 story is relevant to all this.

Faiz, a car 'puts out more power' as you put it, after a few more kms because most cars we drive on the road are factory mass-produced. when things a factory produced they don't fit together quite right. Hence there is the advice to 'run-in' your car- that is to basically run your car at all RPMs so as to 'mold' the moving parts together. When they do, you expect a small gain in performance compared to when this process has not occurred. You do not really get a performance 'gain'; you are really gaining performance you didn't have before. ie. you probably only had 110kw at the flywheel before, you now may make it to 140kw.

Now to tell you the truth the flywheel kw figures are just an estimate of what your car may have, or an average of all the cars that leave an assembly line, after they have had their engine 'run-in'. There is a difference between each individual mass-produced car because of the nature of mass-production- there are inconsistencies with the production of each part. When the different parts are put together, the ones which just so happened to have better quality control will be more powerful. Those not as well produced suffer power and economy loss. Quality control reduces this variation. This is the rationale between 'blueprinting' engines.

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Originally Posted by coladuna

What do you mean you are not sure if this is true? Are you saying then that Honda engines are different to other brands when it comes to breaking in the engine? I just don't get how that s2000 story is relevant to all this.

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Well, it is quoted from a tv program without much technical explaination, it is up to the viewers to choose to believe.

Why is it not relevant? They are both honda vtec engine.