Tein Basic Coilovers

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Originally Posted by TypeS

How can you offer a suggestion, when you have no experience with the coilover in question?

There is nothing wrong with basic coilovers. Lack of dampening adjustment does not make them inferior in quality. Basic's were made for a particular market; the daily driven street car.

Their objective is to improve the handling, in addition to, providing a height adjustable solution on a street car, which your spring/shock combo fails to do.

The daily driver, who is hardly going to track, does not need to fiddle with the damper, if all they will be doing is, driving on the street.

You don't need dampening adjustment with the basics. They come preset at 8 with 0 being stiff and 16 being soft. Which is perfect for street. Lower them as much as you want, mine are dropped to the max, ride quality is perfect, as well as the handling.

Basics have the same springs as your supreme SS's. For $990, heck it's one hell of a bargain. Why waste money on dampening adjustment, when you don't need it?

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woah woah woah wait.
When did I say I had no experience? When did I say I had SS's? When did I say that the reason I felt their quality was inferior was due to a lack of damper adjustment?
I think you should take another look next time before you start attacking people who are only trying to offer help.

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Originally Posted by Red_EG4

woah woah woah wait.
When did I say I had no experience? When did I say I had SS's? When did I say that the reason I felt their quality was inferior was due to a lack of damper adjustment?
I think you should take another look next time before you start attacking people who are only trying to offer help.

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Hahah don't take it the wrong way I'm not attacking you. I'm just tired off the bad rep these basics are getting :(

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Originally Posted by TypeS

Hahah don't take it the wrong way I'm not attacking you. I'm just tired off the bad rep these basics are getting :(

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I have experienced them.
I have Tein Flex, not Super Streets.
When I look at and feel the Super Streets the quality doesn't feel as good as the Flex/Monoflex/Similar products from other companies.
I feel the DC5 would be downgrading to go to a Basic Coilover, perhaps I'm holding the DC5 in too high regard?
I think a lowering spring would be better.
Koni adjustable dampers offer enough height adjustment in my opinion.
Damping adjustment has hardly played a part in my impression of the basic coilover.
How many times have you adjusted your ride height?

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Originally Posted by Red_EG4

I have experienced them.
I have Tein Flex, not Super Streets.
When I look at and feel the Super Streets the quality doesn't feel as good as the Flex/Monoflex/Similar products from other companies.
I feel the DC5 would be downgrading to go to a Basic Coilover, perhaps I'm holding the DC5 in too high regard?
I think a lowering spring would be better.
Koni adjustable dampers offer enough height adjustment in my opinion.
Damping adjustment has hardly played a part in my impression of the basic coilover.
How many times have you adjusted your ride height?

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You drive an EK4 Civic, your experience means zilch; different springs, different car.
Yes you are holding the DC5 on a pedestal.

Numerous times, as a matter of fact. Have you taken into consideration the improvements in handling from the basics?

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Originally Posted by TypeS

You drive an EK4 Civic, your experience means zilch; different springs, different car.
Yes you are holding the DC5 on a pedestal.

Numerous times, as a matter of fact. Have you taken into consideration the improvements in handling from the basics?

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I drive an EG4
The Basic Dampers were not in my car.
There is no great difference between a shock for an Integra and a shock for a Civic, how could they make them cost effective if they fine tuned every damper to every model?
The difference may be spring rates, but spring rates aren't as important as the valving.
What difference in handling can the basic damper offer that a sport shock cannot?
Adjusting the height on the Basic Coilover/Super Street effects spring pre load and piston travel, which could be avoided with something like koni adjustables.
The springs on a coilover are liner spring rates, whereas you can have a progressive rate on a spring/shock combo.

yeah like how EG suspension fits DC2 and Ep3 and DC5 fit...

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Originally Posted by Red_EG4

I drive an EG4
The Basic Dampers were not in my car.
There is no great difference between a shock for an Integra and a shock for a Civic, how could they make them cost effective if they fine tuned every damper to every model?
The difference may be spring rates, but spring rates aren't as important as the valving.
What difference in handling can the basic damper offer that a sport shock cannot?
Adjusting the height on the Basic Coilover/Super Street effects spring pre load and piston travel, which could be avoided with something like koni adjustables.
The springs on a coilover are liner spring rates, whereas you can have a progressive rate on a spring/shock combo.

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When I say you have no experience, I am 98% certain you have never ridden in a DC5 with basics. Yes a DC5, not a civic or some other car but a DC5. Yes I understand the dampers will not vary greatly, but what they are attached to will. For example is civic eg4 suspension geometry the same as a DC5? No it’s not; DC5 uses the Macpherson struts on the front, while the civic uses the double wishbone. Hence, you can’t compare the two experiences with the same damper; it will be a different experience in terms of performance and ride quality, period.

Let’s not forget, a quality spring and shock setup, is going to cost well above $1000. And have you thought of blowing the shocks? Yes even aftermarket shocks are susceptible to blowing. Cruise around with a couple of fat asses for a while, and see how long the shocks last. Then what? You end up spending another $900 odd for new shocks. Why not just do it right the first time?

but i thought with tein when u lower ur car u'll also stuff up the preload which when it comes to play it'll stuff up the ride performace? anyway, if u were to go height adjustable only and not damper i think skunk 2 Pro S would be stiffer den stock and its height adjustable aswell

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Originally Posted by TypeS

When I say you have no experience, I am 98% certain you have never ridden in a DC5 with basics. Yes a DC5, not a civic or some other car but a DC5. Yes I understand the dampers will not vary greatly, but what they are attached to will. For example is civic eg4 suspension geometry the same as a DC5? No it’s not; DC5 uses the Macpherson struts on the front, while the civic uses the double wishbone. Hence, you can’t compare the two experiences with the same damper; it will be a different experience in terms of performance and ride quality, period.

Let’s not forget, a quality spring and shock setup, is going to cost well above $1000. And have you thought of blowing the shocks? Yes even aftermarket shocks are susceptible to blowing. Cruise around with a couple of fat asses for a while, and see how long the shocks last. Then what? You end up spending another $900 odd for new shocks. Why not just do it right the first time?

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My experience was not in a Honda at all, but it was in a heavier car which would be less harsh than in a light Honda.
What is so magical about a coilover that makes it invincible? A coilover shock is no different to normal sports shock, except it is housed in a body that is threaded to allow for height adjustment.

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Originally Posted by jeffreymui

but i thought with tein when u lower ur car u'll also stuff up the preload which when it comes to play it'll stuff up the ride performace? anyway, if u were to go height adjustable only and not damper i think skunk 2 Pro S would be stiffer den stock and its height adjustable aswell

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No you won’t stuff up the pre-load. Pre-load is dependent on weight not on travel. When raising and lowering the car, the spring is not going to get pushed down any less or more than usual. Hence it’s still going to get compressed the same amount. What will change is the stroke of the shock.

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Originally Posted by Red_EG4

My experience was not in a Honda at all, but it was in a heavier car which would be less harsh than in a light Honda.

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Hahaha your kidding right, you can accurately form an opinion off that? You can’t compare, how the basics will handle from your experience. You experienced them in a heavier car. Heavier cars require stiffer suspensions.
With the unadjustable damper, naturally the experience will be different to a lighter car. You can’t compare the two.

Unless you’ve experienced the basics in a DC5, you are not in any position to form an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Red_EG4

What is so magical about a coilover that makes it invincible? A coilover shock is no different to normal sports shock, except it is housed in a body that is threaded to allow for height adjustment.

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It’s not about invincibility; It’s about running matching springs and shocks, from the manufacturer.

Buying springs and shock kits is fine, if you’re going to run them together. Ideally we’d like to pick up a kit, which would give us the drop we’d want and the ride quality we craved.

Realistically it’s never going to happen (In the case of DC5, and humans). Problems start to arise when people start mixing and matching springs and shocks, in order to achieve that perfect balance.

That’s when you start, seeing aftermarket shocks, blowing in some cases.

Don't get me wrong, a spring and a shock setup can be a killer combination, if you know what your doing, sadly not many of us do.

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Originally Posted by TypeS

Hahaha your kidding right, you can accurately form an opinion off that? You can’t compare, how the basics will handle from your experience. You experienced them in a heavier car. Heavier cars require stiffer suspensions.
With the unadjustable damper, naturally the experience will be different to a lighter car. You can’t compare the two.

Unless you’ve experienced the basics in a DC5, you are not in any position to form an opinion.

It’s not about invincibility; It’s about running matching springs and shocks, from the manufacturer.

Buying springs and shock kits is fine, if you’re going to run them together. Ideally we’d like to pick up a kit, which would give us the drop we’d want and the ride quality we craved.

Realistically it’s never going to happen (In the case of DC5, and humans). Problems start to arise when people start mixing and matching springs and shocks, in order to achieve that perfect balance.

That’s when you start, seeing aftermarket shocks, blowing in some cases.

Don't get me wrong, a spring and a shock setup can be a killer combination, if you know what your doing, sadly not many of us do.

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All I'm trying to do is offer a different point of view on a discussion and you tell me that I am not allowed to.
Yes you would think that heavier cars require higher spring rates but in most cases the Tein suspensions for Hondas have higher spring rates than for larger cars, a commodore for example.
When I mentioned a spring shock combo, a kit was what I was referring to.
I think a progressive spring would be a lot better for this application, but since my opinion isn't wanted here good luck with your Tein Basic Coilover set up DC5-4ME.