Semi auto euro is faster. ;) (experimenting)

yeah man, 140 ~ 150 in 3rd.

It is definately over 140, I did this just the other night when a commodore with 2 young lads wanted to play when I slowly over took them (normal driving). I caught them as they kicked the boot in so I dropped from 6th to 3rd (4th too slow to get on vtec), waved to them and blew them away.

My girly is one of those people that has never seen redline. As much as I tell her it is ok and designed to do it, she thinks it will wreck it so she drives sedately. Dissapointing!

Do you find 1st gear way too short? It is sorta useless. It is too short to change down when attacking corners and when you can do 100km/h in second, I find my self going in a bit hot and on the brake alot more than I feel I have to. Need a new flywheel!

I have to say... I wish we had more than 7000rpm.. i keep hitting it too fast and without knowing too, it's just when you're up there you just want it to keep climbing higher :) by the time i shift into 3rd i'm already at 130km :s oh well :p

yeh i am a bit gentle with my euro. It isnt the afstest car in the world but when you push it down it goes well. (tries what you guys had said.) Why are the auto euro drivers cant experience 7000 rpm? I saw above when reading. An havnt still meaured the acceleration time yet.

Hi Faiz, no, I'm not pulling your leg about that last 1000rpm (6000-7000rpm). Put your foot to the FLOOR, watch it climb, at 6000 when you think it is almost out of power, it then gets a little bump and goes 6000-7000 faster than when it did 5000-6000. Then you shift to 2nd. Of course, you'll be over the speed limit then. Hehe. In 1st gear, I reckon you'll be faster than the auto V6 commodores and falcons. And don't do this when cops are around. I don't think they like a car at 7000rpm going past them. Hehe

Regular auto drivers leave it in D, and D will shift for you at well below 6000rpm so that it saves fuel and drives smoother. In semi-auto mode, you get to do what manual does, just that it all goes through the torque convertor so you lose a bit more power than a manual. A tip is that the manual Euro's 1st gear is very short, so your semi-auto can actually be faster in first gear because you do not need to shift up to 80km/h while the manual will have to shift to 2nd.

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Originally Posted by Type R Positive

Do you find 1st gear way too short? It is sorta useless. It is too short to change down when attacking corners and when you can do 100km/h in second, I find my self going in a bit hot and on the brake alot more than I feel I have to. Need a new flywheel!

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Yup, at traffic lights, I find 2.2 litre auto camrys leaving me behind because I have to shift. To keep up I have to apply half throttle and rev to 4000rpm before shifting into 2nd. Not too nice because everyone else thinks you are trying to race. Hehe.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

...... A tip is that the manual Euro's 1st gear is very short, so your semi-auto can actually be faster in first gear because you do not need to shift up to 80km/h while the manual will have to shift to 2nd.

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aaronng - are you being serious man? :confused: I am confused by this logic. How does a long 1st gear ratio in the auto (top speed 69k/ph) beat the short ratio 6mt?

The time it takes to shift the 6mt from 1st to 2nd is bugger all time for a good driver. The short ratio gearbox means the 6mt can access the higher rev range earlier - this quite clearly is where the bulk of the power is (ie 5000rpm+). The 6mt is also lighter and has more power at the wheels. By the time the auto is at the top of 1st gear - I can assure you the 6mt is in front by a noticeable margin and pulling away in 2nd gear...

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Yup, at traffic lights, I find 2.2 litre auto camrys leaving me behind because I have to shift. To keep up I have to apply half throttle and rev to 4000rpm before shifting into 2nd. Not too nice because everyone else thinks you are trying to race. Hehe.

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So you are saying you need to rev to 4000rpm at 50% throttle to keep up with an auto 2.2 Camry - what is so strange about that? 4000rpm shift change and 50% throttle is nothing in the Euro and is how my grandmother drives doing grocery shopping. People think you are racing by changing gears at 4000rpm with 50% throttle? I don't think so.

Next time - take off the cardigan first - then apply full throttle and rev the 6mt to 7000rpm in 1st - where is the Camry now - 20+ metres behind you? Problem solved. :D

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aaronng - are you being serious man? :confused: I am confused by this logic. How does a long 1st gear ratio in the auto (top speed 69k/ph) beat the short ratio 6mt?

The time it takes to shift the 6mt from 1st to 2nd is bugger all time for a good driver. The short ratio gearbox means the 6mt can access the higher rev range earlier - this quite clearly is where the bulk of the power is (ie 5000rpm+). The 6mt is also lighter and has more power at the wheels. By the time the auto is at the top of 1st gear - I can assure you the 6mt is in front by a noticeable margin and pulling away in 2nd gear...

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My logic was broken when I wrote this.... Haha. Okok, let me clear up my messy post. Man, what was I thinking when I wrote that.

What I meant to say was: When driving normally (normal is usually about 1/4 throttle), the AT will get ahead of the MT.
Of course when driving at full throttle, the MT gets ahead since you will be shifting to 2nd without waiting for the revs to drop (and get nice wheel chirping)

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So you are saying you need to rev to 4000rpm at 50% throttle to keep up with an auto 2.2 Camry - what is so strange about that? 4000rpm is nothing in the Euro and people don't think you are racing changing gears at 4000rpm.

If you apply full throttle and rev the 6mt to 7000rpm in 1st - where is the Camry now - 30 metres behind you? Problem solved.

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When driving sedately, hmm, imagine your parents in the back seat and that is the style you are driving. The 6mt's 1st gear is short that you have to change early so as not to frighten your elderly passengers. Hehe. The camry will get ahead. Once in 2nd, I find that I catch up with the camry.

Full throttle, that Commodore V6 is behind me too. Hehehehehe.... I'm not saying Euro 6mt is slow. I'm saying that it is fast when you want it to be fast. But when driving sedately, it is slower than an equivalent car due to the short 1st. Of course, use more throttle and it is faster.

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My logic was broken when I wrote this.... Haha. Okok, let me clear up my messy post. Man, what was I thinking when I wrote that.

What I meant to say was: When driving normally (normal is usually about 1/4 throttle), the AT will get ahead of the MT.
Of course when driving at full throttle, the MT gets ahead since you will be shifting to 2nd without waiting for the revs to drop (and get nice wheel chirping)

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Dude - still a weird post ! :D You are comparing the speed of MT and AT based on throttle position? - ie 25% throttle would mean this result, etc, etc. You are freaking me out and probably confusing Faiz! The last thing we need is Faiz thinking his AT is faster than the 6MT. :D

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But when driving sedately, it is slower than an equivalent car due to the short 1st. Of course, use more throttle and it is faster.

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I know exactly what you are talking about. The rev rises so quickly when you are in first, so when you are driving casually, short 1st gear sort of makes you feel slow because you have to change into 2nd in no time, unless you take the revs into higher ranges (which i don't like to do too often as it uses more fuel :p).

Auto does hit 7K rpm. Just shift (with hand) when you reach a little over 6.5K rpm, and it will shift (engine) at around 7K rpm, cos of the delay.

Too bad that by the time I reach 2nd, it's already past 100km/h...