Bang for your bucks - DOHC VTEC Turbo B-Series

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Originally Posted by Paul1985

Great write up Adrian..
Sorry to go off topic, but i was wondering, where did u start your career?? as an apprentice mechanic?

Big :thumbsup: to the write-up, some great info

If someone had alot of money and only wanted a street use kit, would they be able to use the high budget kit? or is something like that recomended for off-street use only??

There must be alot of downsides to that kit if its for street.. you would be taking years off your engine life wouldnt u?...

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Its not ment to be a "high budget kit" as such, or at all. What the post is getting at is that on a high budget you should be looking at doing everything custom.
As for the down sides to driving a high budget turbo setup on the street, i personally would be driving it to work every day or as a run around, some will disagree with me, but i still maintain this point of view. As for your engine, should last for a long time, providing it is setup and tuned correctly, and serviced regularly.

cheers

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Originally Posted by saxman

I still disagree on the kit part...

isn't part of having a low budget about getting the most for the amount of money you're spending? you'll always spend more money and get less with a kit. Infact, I think that it goes the other way around. For higher budget jobs, there are kits that could be effectively used(i.e. full-race), but for a low budget set up, you're just wasting money by buying a kit. If someone can't put together a kit to do the job, they probably shouldn't be turboing there car anyway.

low budget= no kit because it's cheaper to not get one
high budget= no kit because kits don't offer what is needed for the set up your after

As for just using the manifold from a kit, unless you're getting a really good deal, they tend to cost as much or more as a new, log manifold, which has been proven (assuming proper construction) to flow better and make more power. These days, there are so many options for manifolds out there, at such good prices, why waste the money on a used, more restrictive manifold?

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in australia, turbo honda;s are few and far between. There is no 2ndhand market. No independant vendors like fullrace (at any level). Not many junkyards and what they do stock is highpriced. Hell finding cheap piping (no such thing as jcwhitney!) is bloody hard. No stealthmode, nooooone! Kits are the cheapest way into turboing if you can DIY. Seriously, take my word, ive investigated many options. Everything we want needs to be imported from the US.

Mad write up Adrian, James and Dave.

is there more to the setup or is dis it to have your type r charged?
cos i wanna follow it.

HKS dun supply gaskets for B18c i just checked.

b-series bang for your bucks appicable to d-series?

Saxman – LOL ok…

Paul1985 – Cheers
Reg myself… I started out as an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer.
I moved on from there. (Been building & tuning engines for over 15 years)
Regarding the high budget set-up.
If someone had a lot of money and only wanted street use from their car,
Obviously they would be able to use the high budget set-up.
(Unless the power output exceeded what they were after)
For legal compliance.
The external waste gate should be plumbed back into the main exhaust system before the catalyst & the BOV should also be plumb-back.
Air filter should exist in an air box & get your self an engineer’s report.

Smiley Sakai - Cheers,
For DC2R - follow above set-ups
Also, the HKS product does exist...
B16A 2.6mm gasket - PN 2301-RH012
http://www.hks-power.co.jp/products/...tal/metal.html

aStRooo
Yes, to a point.
The D-series doesn’t have anywhere near the same potential.

wouldn't it still be cheaper to import the parts from the states(I ask this because I do a lot of work with the people in uk, and it's cheaper for them to import all the parts from the states, fly me out there to have me install the parts and tune the ecus, and put me up in a hotel while I'm out there than it is to purchase a simple kit)

Thanks to everyone who enjoyed reading the article above and the links on Hondatech its taken a large amount of time for Adrian, Dave and my self to produce the above work.. you should have seen all the draft versions I typed up ! LOL ;) ( ehhe at pope and abusing people jokes)



Hope it al helps ;) anyway…. As for flying out here… lol




Flights to Aust 1000 – 1500$ each way
Typical hotel $50 – $150 per day
Import tax, GST, shipping costs, custom clearance costs, international bank clearance costs and profit
ECU = Australia is the home of EFI ;)
Number of self installs cheap sakes in Australia ;) plentiful

No one does anything for nothing these days… time is $$

Each time you import something it must clear customs, they charge a service fee to typically categorize each shipment, they charge you 15% import tax (unless it falls under the free trade agreement) but you still need to pay the service fee of around $50 to $100.
Then pay GST on top of everything, including shipping costs…. Then when your VISA statement comes in the bank wants to charge you 3% for international money order. Everyone is out to make money ! then if you’re a business and importing products your going to want to add profit into the price also…. So importing isn’t as straight forward and just buying off the net…. Some people get away with scamming the system, undervalue goods, trying to send parts as gifts, changing the price etc etc, all which is illegal, but if you get caught, say bye bye bye to your parts and your money… its sometimes better to do things legit at least you get what you order.

Regards James

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Originally Posted by saxman

wouldn't it still be cheaper to import the parts from the states(I ask this because I do a lot of work with the people in uk, and it's cheaper for them to import all the parts from the states, fly me out there to have me install the parts and tune the ecus, and put me up in a hotel while I'm out there than it is to purchase a simple kit)

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C’mon… So you suggest people spend their money on 2nd hand junk.
Parts where the survivability is an unknown factor,
Import these with no means of reprise should they be crap…
Then fly you out to fit & tune these old parts...
A guy who thinks the log manifold is supreme?
LOL

ehheeh "log" lol ehehhehe

Regards James

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Originally Posted by TODA AU

C’mon… So you suggest people spend their money on 2nd hand junk.
Parts where the survivability is an unknown factor,
Import these with no means of reprise should they be crap…
Then fly you out to fit & tune these old parts...
A guy who thinks the log manifold is supreme?
LOL

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no, I suggest people import new parts... and no, a log manifold isn't supreme, but I would take one over a restrictive cast manifold for more money.

I wasn't suggesting I fly out there and do the work, I was making the point that if I can do it with the people in the UK(who have very high vat and import duty costs added on to everything out there) where purchasing NEW parts, importing them, paying duty and taxes, flying me out there, putting me up, and having the parts installed and tuned is cheaper than buying even a basic off the shelf kit there, that it would be more cost effective to import just the parts from the states than it would be to buy a kit.

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Originally Posted by TODA AU

Smiley Sakai - Cheers,
For DC2R - follow above set-ups
Also, the HKS product does exist...
B16A 2.6mm gasket - PN 2301-RH012
http://www.hks-power.co.jp/products/...tal/metal.html

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Nah adrian, i checked, yeh they only got it for B16A (About $684) but not B18C. I asked HKS Australia already.

could i use Apexi Honda version of Power fc?
RPS Acura Integra 92+ 1900 lb. PRO (Have to import)?
Toda lightweight flywheel?

And (184-320KW) GTR intercooler with end tanks, 600x300x100. HKS?

Thanks for the write up guys. really appreciate it.

yeh, looking at this i could see heaps of money being saved. in regards to bolt ons.

will my gear box (ie; engine) handle this much power?
And if the car is boosted. does vtec have to be tuned to lower revs. that meaning if i want both high cams and turbo at high revs. is this going to be a problem for the engine etc.?

edit: Since you guys have done this before. does a/c abs etc any important feature. have to be removed or moved? or will the space inside the bonnet be big enough to house these items?

thanks