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Honestly, I call this a downgrade..
Comparing a McIntosh sound system over the Honda OEM ones...
Turbo 2.0 over an N/A 2.4... which effectively makes it only 1/2 a car length faster :)...
Any many more :D :D
But Euro has strong resale values even though it has gone through 2 updates...
Is the B4's interior similar to the Liberty Heritage? The Heritage's interior is no where as nice as the Euro's. If it is not similar, then ignore my post please. :p
The standout feature of the B4 interior over other models at the time was the blueish inserts on the leather trim which I thought was a bit too ghastly in my opinion, but the new ones just ooze class, the interior is incredibly similar to E46 BMW's.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
I have the MY05 GT. MY05 onwards Subaru dropped the Premium Pack and included it as standard. So, yes, I do have all leather trim, sunroof, and the Macintosh system (which is great BTW).Quote:
Originally Posted by rickyboy
The Liberty does suffer from turbo lag and it is a bugger. I'd like to sell my MY05 before the 2.5L Liberty GT's arrive in Australia mainly to avoid losing too much $. I guess my next car could always be a MY07 GT with factory Sat Nav. ;)
Get and EcuTek from MRT that would minimise the lag problem :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pexel
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Originally Posted by pexel
Is your Liberty GT Auto or Manual? :)
The turbo lag isn't that obvious in the GT IMO it might have to do with the fact that it is auto gearbox? But when you purchase the Euro would it be manual or auto? Off the line the Euro's Auto is fairly sluggish, although once it gets going it is normal enough. The manual is nicer, but still won't have the shove in the back you might be accustomed to by now :)
Build quality between both cars are similar enough, I think the Euro has the slight edge here.
Resell value wise - both very similar too over 3 years time, difference is negligible, and retains value very well!
I think biggest problem is going from GT's AWD to FWD. FWD really leaves a lot to desire for unless it was light and performance oriented like an Integra Type-S/R. I would imagine going from GT to Euro you might be slightly disappointed, the Euro will feel like a boat in comparison especially with its stock suspension.
End of the day, no better cars out there with similar good resell value, and you'll only be driving it for 2 years :D
To me it's a downgrade....Look I love Honda's, but I am a huge fan of the Liberty and it is on a short-list for my next ride.
I would personally wait for the 2.5GT, but that said, you have already had a GT so might be after something different. If that's the case, your options are pretty limited from a performance-orientated perspective.
The Euro offers some pretty great value, but the GT has that extra advantage of all wheel drive and very decent performance!
The GT is an Auto :( Next car will be a manual, without a doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
I think I'll be holding off for now. Like Jus-10 mentioned, I may just wait for the 2.5L GT.
Test drive before you decide :)
I'm very happy with my euro, even at stock but I've never driven or even ridden in a new model liberty so I can't compare.
What I will say though is that I was really disappointed with the auto Euro, the manual was a lot more fun to drive :)
The Euro's are surprisingly quick for what they are. Easily keeps up with a standard R32 GTST, so I'm assuming they should be somewhere in the mid 14s. I don't think you will be too dissapointed, esp. with the Euro's creature comforts.
Have you considered a Mazda6 MPS also? Ive never been in one, but have read that it is a close call with the Liberty GT.
I own a 2.5i Liberty Manual. I test drove the Euro twice before deciding on the Liberty. What I disliked about the Euro was
1. Brakes. Virtually no feedback through the pedal. Felt like I was pressing on air and had to visually judge how hard I was applying the brakes. Drove me absolutley nuts. The NRMA review of this car stated that the brakes were disappointing also - I guess this is what McKinnon meant.
2. Seemed to be twitchy - stiff sway bars? I also lit up one front wheel while cornering without trying which concerned me. The stability thingy was ON at the time. I considered the Euro twitchy (quick to change direction without driver intention) eventhough I have stiffer suspension on the 2.5i than standard.
3. No trip meter - not a major issue but there really should be one. Is there in the new model?
4. I have been told that it's difficult to drive at a constant speed in traffic as if the drive by wire system is too crude. I didn't notice this but sure I would have picked it up in time.
5. Too much chrome.
6. Seats hurt my arse badly - twice. Couldn't explain it! Probably just me.
What was good -
The gear change - scarey smooth
Engine pick up - easily accelerated cleanly up the SE freeway in Adelaide in 5th gear from 100 to 140kph.
Dual Climate control
I doubt there would be much between the Euro and 2.5i in manual form through the Adelaide hills unless it was wet - then forget it, no competition. The 2.5i would be the pick hands down.
As for keeping up with an XR6 - the manual 2.5i running on 98 will do this. I have proven this at 3 consecutive sets of lights one night, against an AUTO XR6. I doubt I could keep with a manual version.