Well, when the civic arrive, it will flood the whole of australia.. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by EuroBabee
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Well, when the civic arrive, it will flood the whole of australia.. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by EuroBabee
The Honda Civic looks a lot better with the body kit. My local Honda dealer had a model fitted out with the works in terms of accessories and it looks exactly like the model on the Honda Civic Accessories brochure.
If you don't like the rear end, I would seriously consider the underspoilers, side skirts and rear-end spoiler :) The full kit is about $2500 for the genuine Honda although Mugen also do a better kit for about the same price if you can import it ... somehow.
Just FYI, the new FD's 2.0 Si is running a K20Z3, similar to the K20A3, only difference is its running on a DBW system and changes to the some parts of the engine.
The engine is indeed a VTEC-E, built for Fuel Economy. Very different from its cousin, the formidable K20A2. Perhaps, some of you bros are thinking of swapping the head... unfortunately... sadly to say, both K20A and K20A3 or the K20Z3 may look similar on the outside, the internals are way different. Some workshop may claimed they can do that... the whole job may cost you few Ks ever to 10s of Ks. Reliability... uncertain.
The FD's K20Z3's DBW will be another big challenge for a lot of workshops, how are you gonna bypass that? Both K20As and K20A3s are drive by the coventional throttle cable. Pretty straight forward. In order to do that... the only way is to change your ECU... and not only that. rewiring the whole dame FD. Haha! Probably, by the time you are don't with the so-called "mod"... it'll sums up to 10 - 15 Ks. Worst still, the power you got cannot even beat a factory made DC5R.
agree with tanalasta.. with a rear spoiler and underspoiler.. the civic does not look bad at all... never like the look of mazda 3...
mazda3's have all the driving feeling of soggy bread in your undies!
i hate driving my mums mazda3
Actually, the reason why DBW is a problem with modders is that Honda changed ECU hardware manufacturers in order to have DBW. The different ECU hardware means all existing aftermarket ECUs for Honda don't work on cars with DBW.Quote:
Originally Posted by marcus
A mate has the SP23....have been in it a bit and to be honest was pretty disappointed. This was all before the new Civic came out. Something about it just didn't feel right to me....I would say that it is competent car.
I had my first look at the FD Civic Sport on the weekend, and the second a sat in it, fell in love....I liked it so much that I am now considering parting with the Jazz. I haven't driven one yet (that will be this week) so can't compare it with the SP, but I can't see it being too hard to beat!
I haven't felt this excited and impressed from an initial encounter with a car for a long time. I just hope the drive doesn't let me down.
I quite like the look of the SP23 hatch, but that's about it. But I guess that's why guys who like Mazdas buy Mazdas and why I like Hondas...it's all personal preference
Performance wise the SP3 was be no match for the civic SPORT.
SPORT has the edge on braking, power, steering responce and handling over the SP3. *tried and tested on OP*
the only decision you are left with is which car you pref in terms of looks.
Driven both the SP23 and the Civic Sport, I'm going to have to put my money on the Civic. Sure, the SP23 can be had for a bargain (and they may even have a newer model later in the year) but the lack of low-end torque really puts me off. I could floor it off the lights and it simply doesn't have the smooth delivery of the Honda.
Neither are particular fast cars. I also prefer the comfort of the Civic Sport ... it's hard to give up the leather seats, sunroof and the quiet ride. If I had wanted a grunty, quick off the pace car I'd have gotten a "proper" sports car.
*edit* I mean I "have" driven both cars.
my mum has a 3 sedan with the 2 litre engine, i was actually very surprised by the grunt the motor has and the gearbox (auto) is quite a nice little cvt unit, very very smooth ride, and it can be quite sporty and exciting when you want it to be, the motors got a lot of pep
build quality is really nice, no rattles or anyhtign yet and its been close to 2 years, the paint finish is awesome... just awesome, fit a finsih is good
th ONLY THING that shits me, is tyre noise coming through the cabin, but they are those rubbish yokohama aspec tyres, i think that can be fixed with better tyres, most of it anyway
other than thatthe driver seat does bucket enough it you know what i eman, so my hamstrigns start to hurt after a while ebcause the front fo the seat isnt supporting me enough, but then im used to recaro's
drive both, you'll know
I have a friend that drives a SP23, a mate that has a new Civic 1.8L VTEC and i drive a Honda Accord Euro Luxury, ive been in all three cars.
The SP23 Drives really nice my mate has the auto box and handles really good as well, i havent driven it but have been in it, it is also a quiet car, only road noise is the tyres but that is due to upgrade to 18" wheels which is normal.
On the other hand the 1.8L VTEC also is very smooth it also is the auto box, and very queit car. Once again i havent driven it but have sat in it, i was very surprised of the handling of this new Civic. In exterior looks i personally think the 3 is better than the civic but if you get a kit for the civic i will choose the civic. Interior wise the Civic wins it for me, just looks more up market technology compared to the 3 as it has the digital dash. Civic also feels alot more roomier. Fuel compsumtion Civic beats it by miles, i thinks the 3 drinks combined like 9.3L/100K's and Civic is 7.1L/100k's and by looking at Fuel prices these days i would go for the Civic, if you wanted a fast car i would just go buy a sports car.
Thanks for the feedback. However, I think there's a mistake there - the Mazda 3 auto has only 4 speed conventional unit, not a CVT unit - if by CVT, you meant the one found on Honda Jazz, which is steel belt driven, infinitely variable transmission.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zilli
Mazda 3 is built in Japan (correct me if I'm wrong) and fit/finish would be world class. We all know that new Civic is built in Thailand, or finished there, as someone else noted (unconfirmed).
I wish I could drive each of these cars (new Civic vs Mazda 3) for few weeks to be certain but I do not have that luxury. Hence, trying to get subjective feedback from some fortunate souls out there who may have had this privilege.