VTiR B18C vs. Type R B18C.

besides engine wise the difference between the type R and vtir is the gearbox. type R box runs a final drive of 4.7xxx whilst vtir runs a 4.44 final drive i think. also the closer gear ratio helps it rev out quicker...

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Originally Posted by z3lda

the price u pay for a vti-r is half of what u pay for a type R.

u can easily pick up a vti-r engine for around 2k. where as a type R is 5k

huge difference in price.

down the track you decide to change the internals it'd be a waste to do it on the type R as everything is gettin replaced anyways. doesnt have the typeR characteristics no more. either way in the end you'll have a fully built 1.8ltr engine.

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You cannot be serious buddy, b18c engines are getting so rare that they are even harder to find than an ITR engine, and they certainly cost more than 2G, realistically you are looking at 3.5G that’s if you can find one.

Type R All the way... its simple

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Originally Posted by xtercii

You cannot be serious buddy, b18c engines are getting so rare that they are even harder to find than an ITR engine, and they certainly cost more than 2G, realistically you are looking at 3.5G that’s if you can find one.

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yehh agreed... i looked for 4-5months b4 i found a good one... and they go for an average price of 3500 depending on condition etc...

Thanks for all the input.

I'd probably rather spend 3k more and get an ITR front cut rather than buy a VTiR one and spend what the motor is worth to try and match the power of a ITR motor. Plus I'd get the LSD and better diff ratio.

I've been reading on this website for about a year or so (only signed up recently) and from everything I've heard a B20 isn't a good option for a number of reasons. First being reliability and second being cost. Labour costs etc isn't a problem as I'm a mechanic. Car will be used for QR sprints, all motor drag and anything else I can get the car to do.

Just doing my research before I delve into another project. Just finishing my current one but nobody here would be interested...a twin turbo EFI 202 in a LJ Torana. :p

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Originally Posted by VTi_b0i

^^^ not very reliable tho...needs alota cash put into the b20 block for it to withstand a good thrashing...

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i know of a few ppl who has done this conversion and so far so good.

There not reliable if there not built properly.

But as for vti-r or type R engine, i would definately go for the Type R engine. One of the best honda motors out there.

I would have to say that the b18c are nuggets compared Type R motor.

The amount of money put in a b18c can't compare to the type R, superior engines.

If your choosing b18c why not get b16a?

depends on your aim too...

i reckon if your daring enough to push for power then i would proabably get the B18c2 vtir... for 3k.. i would think you would produce more power than an ITR...
my mates b18c2 with skunk 2 manifold and tapered and bored tb, and ecu... produced somthing like 115kw atw on the mt druitt dyno
(reliable low figures), which would be fairly close to an ITR already.. add another 2k for b spec cams (drop st8 in - no porting n polish) for valve train then it easily create more power than an ITR..


and the b20... i reckon they are reliable as, as long as you dont reaise the compression... it has been proven again and again they can be revved to 8k all day without issues as long as std compression is maintained.. weakest link is rod and head bolts.. make sure u change them too...

IF your a mechanic and can get yourself a b16/18 head .. the build should cost under 2k

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Originally Posted by fatboyz39

i know of a few ppl who has done this conversion and so far so good.

There not reliable if there not built properly.

But as for vti-r or type R engine, i would definately go for the Type R engine. One of the best honda motors out there.

I would have to say that the b18c are nuggets compared Type R motor.

The amount of money put in a b18c can't compare to the type R, superior engines.

If your choosing b18c why not get b16a?

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because maybe the b18c will make more torque :confused: :confused: :confused:

and yeah, if you're gona end up replacing everything just get a vtir motor. cause the extra money u'd be paying for the type R goodies will be changed anyway... but then theres the LSD and tranny :zip:

i've also heard that the vtir head is more efficient in the higher rpm's (8k+) due to its 'down draft' design... i dont really understand it fully, anyone care to shed some light?

Scotty (atmoek) and I both just had full toda rebuilds. Scotty has a b18vtir ek civic and i have a dc2 type r. We have both gone toda pistons eagle rods Shaved head toda c2 cams springs retainers all all other externals. And will be making the same power. Scottys may even make a little more up top as apparently vtir heads flow better up top. I would definatly go the vtir if your doing internals. Look at ericks racing in the states, they all run vtir motors.
Good luck with whichever route you take

ps gear box ratios and final drives will make a huge difference too

opt for the type r box if possible as it runs a 4.7 final drive

good point... so if doing internals and going all out they will be the same minus the box?

and LMFAO at your avatar@! BAHAHA

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Originally Posted by dc2rrrr

Scotty (atmoek) and I both just had full toda rebuilds. Scotty has a b18vtir ek civic and i have a dc2 type r. We have both gone toda pistons eagle rods Shaved head toda c2 cams springs retainers all all other externals. And will be making the same power. Scottys may even make a little more up top as apparently vtir heads flow better up top. I would definatly go the vtir if your doing internals. Look at ericks racing in the states, they all run vtir motors.
Good luck with whichever route you take

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Good to hear someone who's been there :thumbsup: