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Anything to do with you 2 being pre-06'? Maybe the sensor is different or the ecu is a little more picky.
Update
Just got a quote for my catback. Going 2.5" the whole way with a single angled cannon. Should be considerably lighter than the stock system and perform better than a dual :D
dual can be good too but depends on how well the angles are.
depends on your choice on dual or single look.
I think dual gives a more luxury performance look but in my honest opinion it looks a little wanky when you remember the car's only 4 cylinder. 1 angled cannon should give a more raw, performance look but still keep the car looking classy.
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Originally Posted by integral90
that is contradicting - canon and classy in the same sentence NO.
stick with a actual muffler , offset oval muffler polished looksnice
yeah sick benjamin lets all spend extra money on our car to make it look more stock.
I'd like to be able to keep the dual oval mufflers, but as I said. This catback will be made with 3 things in mind; performance, weight and price.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
I have actually reconsidered the muffler being a cannon, but the oval mufflers are more expensive. Just trying to imagine what would look better on the Euro, as they'll both basically weigh and perform the same.
Cannons nooooooooo.:thumbdwn:They sound farty.Go with a good quality oval muffler like Magnaflow.
like my rice bucket? hahaha :pQuote:
Originally Posted by integral90
Haha! You're a lot of the reason I considered a cannon. But I think your cannon looks good because of your smoked tails and the fact your car is so low. Cannons look dumb on 4WDs like mine :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz
I'll post up some of my current thoughts tonight if I have time, maybe get some feedback (it's not thoughts about the exhaust)
rofl mine is not a full cannon though if you look into muffler it's 2.5" LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by integral90
thnx for the compliment my heads getting bigger! can't wait to see your car finished.
Isnt that the idea ? Something subtle and nice , nice tone and the performance.....still shows everyone you spent money on your car ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
Id much rather that ,, than a gay looking cannon muffler screaming at every RPM everywhere you go. It looks nasty (think modified lancers and mirages with droopy cannons)
:thumbsup:
Ben, better than hyundai excels with droopy CANNONS that sound like nuggets on the run! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
rofl. Anything is better than that.
we need a mitsubishi sigma with a cannon!! :p
LOL yeah fair call.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
Lol at Lancers and Mirages with droopy cannons.:thumbdwn::thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
whats the difference between cannon and a normal muffler ?
Straight piped Mirage VS Lancer with a Droopy Cannon.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
WHO would win?
the random guy riding his bicycle on the side of the roadQuote:
Originally Posted by SHOGUNOVDDRK
Damn thats my car out...
Shape and overall design. Cannons are generally straight-through where a normal muffler (oval muffler in this case) bounces the exhaust around a bit moreQuote:
Originally Posted by hooyn
Update FFS
STILL NO TSX THROTTLE BODY. If it doesn't arrive on Monday I'm gonna demand the shop sends me back the extra I paid for express postage. This is buuuullllshit.
On a nicer note, some sexiness has occurred :p
Today the car got serviced. I watched the technician's bored look on his face as he drove the car into the workshop and parked it. I watched him lazily pop the bonnet and walk to it. I saw him lift the bonnet, then saw his eyes open and him freeze. It was the best feeling ever, he just stared into the engine bay in (what I like to think) was a mixture of suprise and awe. Then he called over one of the other technicians and they were both looking around knodding their heads and looking impressed, I hope. Then he got rid of my CEL :D . I assume it will come back in a week though, but I can just get them to reset it again I guess. With the new fully synthetic oil the car revs a lot smoother and I can feel a little more push up top (just compared to old oil which was FEO and very worn out).
I've been a little let down with the overall performance of the header and RBC. The car felt in no way like it had gained the (optimistic) 20kWatw I had hoped for. After some discussion with a few people I finally decided it was because the pod was really badly positioned. I looked at what was around the filter. The short intake arm transfered a lot of heat into the filter for starters. The filter was also sitting really close to a radiator hose and close behind the radiator. From the shape of the chassis I thought that a bit of air would actually tunnel up between the firewall and the headers and back into the engine, so there's a lot of heat. But worst of all, the filter was sitting about 3" above the transmission casing!!! With help from Bennjamin we somehow fit my Comptech icebox replica onto the RBC using the stock intake arm (a ridiculous feat, if you've ever tried).
I took it for a drive and there was that sort of constant surge feeling that you get from a car on a cold night but the kick was gone slightly. Apart from not being able to hear the vtec crossover, I could barely feel it. Conclusion; stock airbox can not flow enough air to benefit from RBC.
I tried to think of alternatives to get the best of both worlds. But no extension piping would fit into the stock arm to push the filter away from the heat and no other pipe would fit as the Euro's intake arm has so many holes for plugs etc. I knew the pod wouldn't fit inside the stock box as it's too small. Then I had an idea, "Why not use the bottom half of the intake box as a heat shield from the transmission, and most of the radiator and header heat?". It seemed like the perfect balance, by not enclosing the pod I would have no problem with it not getting enough air (even if some of the air is hot). And by having the bottom half there it gave me a direct cold air feed and blocked out a lot of the heat. It took a lot of adjusting of the intake arm and airbox/filter to make it all snuggly fit without things pushing themselves out of place. After a few attempts and a few new cuts on my hands it was all together. I think it looks pretty mean and not as amateurish as the last one. Once I was confident with it all I took it for a drive. The car had a lot better response and a bit more pep. Also at high rpm WOT the car pulled harder and it didn't bog into 2nd as hard (even though something is forcing the car to shift into 2nd slowly). Obviously this still isn't the finished intake, hopefully I'll end up with Justin's custom one but maybe not...
Here are some pictures of the current set up:
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Also the muffler I decided on for the single pipe exhaust arrived today. My new Kakimoto Racing Muffler :D It's a mean piece of work, and I think it's the perfect balance between the looks of a cannon and an oval. I measured the muffler cut outs in the bumper to the muffler tip and it's gonna be a hell of a tight fit :p . Obviously I have no feedback for this yet, apart from the muffler being pretty heavy, maybe a tiny bit heavier than one of the stock mufflers (good thing there's only 1 of this :thumbsup: ) . I bought the muffler from the user BulletBoy, he's an amazing trader, probably the finest I've dealt with on ozhonda. If he's selling something you want, BUY IT FROM HIM :wave:
Here's the muffler just sitting next to the stock ones to give a rough idea of what it will look like when it's fitted compared to the stock ones.
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That'll all for now, again. Getting really annoyed about the throttle body, but nothing I can do I guess. Soon custom catback will be made up as well and when it's all done I'm putting a mother****in' Eva on a mother****in' dyno.
glad the muffler got to you quickly man. i could see you really wanted that baby :P im counting on you to get me a sound clip so i can finally hear her. great build Liam, keep it up :)
Nice looking exhaust.. may i ask how much you bought it for? pm me if you like. thanks.
Thanks! PM sentQuote:
Originally Posted by Rein
just wondering, if you relocate the battery, will that allow you to use the icebox replica or are there still problems?
The battery isn't the problem, it's the shape and length of the intake arm respective to the airbox. Also the plugs that go into the arm limit the amount you can rotate and bend it. Moving the battery would only allow you to have an intake pipe with less bends.Quote:
Originally Posted by power_of_dreams
I'm not gonna try and use the Icebox replica becaue it simply can't flow enough air in to make use of the RBC. But for the time being the bottom part is a good heat shield + cold air feed.
You can see a bit from the pic that the battery isn't in the way compared to where the airbox sits
imo the best option would be the SRI for the RBC as it sucks more air in little time and little length of piping.
you'll find better response with that than the CAI feed.
i think injen style Liam. Get hakkan to mandrel bend some alloy pipe into that front section of the bumper and put the pod in there. = win.
Thing is he quoted me $250 to do that, when if I buy Justin's intake it will be cheaper than that. But then there's the 3rd option of buying an intake for the CL7R which is the same chassis but already has the RBC. I think that would be a direct fit?Quote:
Originally Posted by bennjamin
good luck finding the CL7r intake. Wont find any locally as its not imported here at all.
Best bet is trolling japanese yahoo auctions for one to turn up.
UPDATE
My throttle body finally arrived today! :D . In all I've read on the net they say the 06+ TSX throttle body went up to 64mm, but whatever way I measure it I get more like 65mm. Not complaining though, just makes me wonder if I should port the RBC another mm or if it's not worth even considering. I would put this on as soon as possible but I won't even attempt to try and get the stock intake pipe back onto this thing. I'll save it for (hopefully) next week :)
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Also on Friday the custom 2.5" catback is being made up. This will mean the car is running a consistent 2.5" from the header collecter to the muffler inlet and I shouldn't have to worry about modifying the exhaust ever again :D . As I'll be running Justin's intake with the throttle body, effectively as soon as the throttle body is on the car will have completed what I call 'Phase 1', or as bennjamin likes to call it "It's too heavy to be quick, sell it and get an Integra... Phase 1". Then I'll dyno the car, and whether I reach the 135kW goal or not, I'll be inspired to keep going. Also I think this makes me the 2nd Euro in Australia to do throttle body?
That's all for now, I'll have an update on Friday with the complete exhaust and probably some sound clips! :wave:
how many kw does a stock euro pull at the wheel??
From what I've heard, the 06+ pulls anywhere up to 110kW atw stock. Hopefully a 25kW gain with all I've done isn't out of the question. I know of a Euro that did 126kW atw with VAFC-II, DC Sports header, K&N intake and custom catback.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyh888
roughly 16kw gain is from the piggy back de-restricting the engine and taking advantage of the mods , hurry up and get that piggyback or ecu liam !
My 2006 is putting down 133.4kw atw with custom headers, exhaust & intake with the extreme hondata flash, no tuning ability though.
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Next on the list is cams.....hmm.....
your flash is considered a tune.... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
rofl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz
I can see him gloating about the number to people...
".....yeah guys 133.kws atw , STOCK ecu guys ! "\
"erm its only a reflash ROM :zip:"
jokes lol.
WAh nice update bro r u gona do reflash ecu aswell ?
My mistake, should have said....Quote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz
"No further tuning ability" and extreme reflash not extreme flash.
I think this is the second time I've mentioned the kw atw in 16 months since my mods were done.
I think if I was gloating I may have mentioned it more often.
Most here know what I have been through with this system,
and any gloating I can do, I deserve.....lol
Only mentioned the numbers so those doing similar mods should know what to expect, although with further tuning ability hopefully.
nah they are good figures your getting, and yeh i know must have been hell. Just that flashing is another form of tuning for others who don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
Has it all been sorted?
About to have the exhaust repaired, at the rear 1 into 2 join.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz
Still waiting for the replacement exhaust for the "prototype" they ended up putting on.
It's only been 16 months, so I have to patient, after all they wouldn't sell anything not 100% perfect, would they?
(Although I paid $4450 for a temporary final production prototype)
Custom headers are holding together, all good there now.
When I did the 15.1 - 400m, it was with the extreme headers when the pipes were flattened causing restriction, so when I get the current crack repaired, I'll give the 400m another crack - 15.1 was with the traction control on!
I thought the extreme kit put out 160kw ATW.:confused:Or so it's advertised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
So you think with the header properly flowing again, VSA off and a more aggressive launch you might crack the 14s? If you could it would be interesting to see if I could, as the RBC (for the time being) has made the car a bit slower 0-100km/h, but faster after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
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Originally Posted by tony1234
That was done on a hub dyno so you probably want to take around 10% off against a roller dyno.
When my car was tuned on the VAFCii/DC Sports Headers/K&N Typhoon CAI/Custom exhaust, I made 126kws on a DTS Dyno.
Now I've got Toda Headers/Metal Cat/Skunk2 Catback/Stage 2 Cams/Titanium retainers and springs/Custom Intake/RBC Manifold, I was pushing 150Kws @ the wheels with pinging and dropped it to 143kws odd. This represents almost 40% gains from my stock run with NA mods.
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JEESUS, over 20kW jump in VTEC. With your cams and proper intake/exhaust your RBC must have been performing much better than mine!
I still think that to really see benefit from RBC you gotta increase the redline closer to 8000rpm with shorter gearing
Thanks man! Nah I'm gonna avoid a reflash. But I do plan on eventually going e-manage and v-manage to reach my phase 3 numbers :DQuote:
Originally Posted by felixd
reckon there is no point having cut off higher up if your current setup is NOT making even more power after 7200rpm.Quote:
Originally Posted by integral90
So get a base dyno and see your power band and then you'll know what to do.
I was surprised that 2nd gear @ redline speed has increased from 103k's in second (stock) to 113 k's in second.Quote:
Originally Posted by integral90
I didn't expect the higher speeds possible at redline........:p
Oh yeah the J-Tune reflash increases the redline, I forgot. So you finish the 1/4 mile near the top of 3rd? I'm going into 4th about 50m before the line, trapping at about 141km/h...Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin086
Man it would be hell to drive the RBC with taller gears, because I assume it's also made the gap between 1st to 2nd a bit more noticeable?
Any updates on your CEL issue? I'm getting a 200 cell high flow cat and i'm starting to get worried :(
Yeah when the car got serviced they got rid of it. Tomorrow it will have been exactly a week since the service and it still hasn't come back up.Quote:
Originally Posted by racerwannabe
I was impressed that the J's could flow so well that even with a 400cell cat the CEL would come on!
how would the dc sports headers compare to toda headers? any big differences?? since the todas are pretty damn expensive....and do the dc sports need any modifications to fit on the cl9?
dc sport is more of a "street" header. you wont get as big a gain as the toda headers.
off the top of my head, no modification is needed, although there is a known issue with the flex pipe
The DC Sports headers are not too bad, I had pretty good gains (From memory, around 11kws gain with VAFCii tuning), it's a BFYB modifications and there are now numourous copies of the DC Sports being manufactured i.e TopSpeed. You don't need to modify anything to fit it onto the Euro.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyh888
I now have Toda Racing Headers and that definitely made more power after tuning and you are paying for the quality and design, you can contact Adrian @ TODA AU if you are interested in buying one.
How much tuning ability does the VAFCii give you? Would it be wise for me to get one or to wait for an emanage and vmanage? Also in your educated opinion, what do you think I might make kW atw-wise once all these breathing mods are finished? Do you realistically think I'll get anywhere near 135kW atw?Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
this guy on the forum is selling his dc headers http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76253, do you think its worth buying? or shud i save and get the todas?? im looking for a noticeable gain. How much did you pay for ur toda headers btw? and wats wrong with the flex on dc headers?
DC headers are good if you want a power increase without paying a huge amount. The racing headers like; Toda, J's Racing and Maxim are more expensive but will be on the limits of performance for a header. It just depends on the level of performance increase you want for your car. If you're happy for it running whatever % of it's full potential if it costs you less then the DC are fine. If you're going for big power and drag/track results then you won't want to limit yourself with something as important as the header.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyh888
The flex pipe on the DC headers and its replicas isn't very good and cracks after a while as Aaron experienced and had to replace. Not expensive though, maybe $120-$150 depending where you go.
In the end it just depends what you want from your car. If you just want a kick in performance then DC are fine, but if you're going full out then a higher quality header is what you'll be looking for :)
I have the DC and it didn't crack, they put in the inner weld for it on the Rev 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by integral90
Aaron had Xforce rebadged copy.
i have comptech, little bit more $ (but nowhere near TODA) but no flexpipe or fitment issues. some say it might rattle with stock zorst, but i replaced catback and have had no problems
goodjob gimme a sound clip b1atch!
if i come up to syd one day ill be sure to stop by... phone recording 'does no justice' as everyone else says. i'll still do one if i remember
but wot pull at 5-7krpm is much better with i/h/e. dad has an 06, i told him to floor it, then i laughed...
I changed the flexpipe on my DC Sports to a double walled one as the original one is a single wall ribbed internal type.
Here's a link to my cracky issue...
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56561
Exhaust is finished, with some hitches... will post up in detail tonight!
Update
The custom 2.5" catback is all made up and fitted thanks to Hakkan at Performance Exhaust Centre once again. The system runs 2.5" the whole way from the cat, through 1 Berklee resonator and into the Kakimoto Race muffler. About 25 minutes into the intall we realised the Kakimoto muffler had started tearing away from the inside and was rusting through the back, as we didn't have another muffler there to fit we decided to put it on anyway.
The whole install went smoothly the exhaust looks mean. It also weighs about 8-10kg with muffler, compared to the stock exhaust which is about 20-25kg with mufflers. So with that drop, plus the estimated drop in weight of the headers and cat, I should have saved anywhere from around 15-20kg just on the exhaust.
Initial reaction: LOUD. The car is very loud now, I don't know if it's the design of the exhaust or the fact that the muffler isn't properly working but at the droning range uphill even the steering wheel shudders from the bass. The car instantly picked up torque down low and mid-range, filling in a large chunk of the down low loss that the RBC caused. The car just pulls a bit easier from the lower rpm and overall just feels like a lighter, more agile car when cruising.
At high rpm there is really no difference. I think this is because of the stock, slightly crushed intake pipe sucking in hot air. This will obviously be fixed by the intake and throttle body. I can feel the car wanting to make so much more power but being held back, urgh!
And thanks to some terrible carpark design in Chatswood the car now has a very scratched driver's door. LUCKILY the scratch starts literally at the front of the door and ends about 3cm from the back of it. So it's contained to the one door. The scratches are all in basically a straight line on the door, so would they possibly be able to not have to sand and repaint the whole door?
I'll get a soundclip and post it up with pictures tomorrow.
your car is soooo gonna get raped at the next meet...
thank god euros have dual exhausts....i bags the right one! :D
LOL, what do you mean by get raped? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by corn_flakes
lol remember that news article a few months ago about some messed up dude who had sex with his car? by penetrating the exhaust?
we're going to drool so much over your car that it's going to be a pack rape of your euro. she will never 'ride' the same again. hahahaha.
LOL, that's disgusting... and it gives me some ideas :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by corn_flakes
The car is just so high right now, like higher than stock because of the sway/strut bar and the fact the car doesn't weigh as much anymore. Next on my list is coilovers for sure!
I hope nobody pays too much attention to it, it might not deliver to expectation :o
still an awesome project none the less.
i wish i had money to go spastic on the euro like u did.
keep the updates and pics coming....we all love pics!!
Thanks man, that means a lot to me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by corn_flakes
I really don't make much money at all, but literally about 90% of what I make goes into the car. I don't drink or smoke, rarely see movies or anything, eat at home a lot. I'd much prefer to be able to look at the car's progression than have the faint memory of diziness and headaches :p
Alright I'm uploading pics now, I'll post them soon if you're still online
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Thats hot bro how is the sound ?
Re:the last pic.Try running a random orbital with a light cut clearcoat safe polish over that scratch.By the look of it you may get rid of most of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by integral90
i wonder if it's as loud as akina's buddyclub; if it is i wouldn't be happy :p too droney
not sure about that but from the design of it running through one 1 hotdog the exhaust should be pretty loud on par with buddyclubs.
damn man i would cry having scratches on the car.
Thanks man. Because the muffler has holes in it it gets those really aggressive off-throttle pops and backfire sounds. When you rev up to about 3500rpm in 1st then go off-throttle it pops like 4 or 5 times rapidly, sounds like anti-lag LOL! But the sound overall is very aggressive, a lot deeper than say a b18 with full exhaust.Quote:
Originally Posted by felixd
I took a good look at it this morning and found that most of the 'scratches' were paint/plastic from the other car that got basically squashed onto the car. So I used some medium cut clearer, didn't do anything. Then I used a plastic spoon and it started coming off but slowly, so I moved to a metal spoon and rubbed really lightly. The stuff came off like a huge $2 scratchy :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
Does this mean I can officially put a Spoon sticker on my car without being rice?
It's pretty damn loud man. I drove down Oxford Street to pick up Emily straight after it was put on and everyone's heads were turning, it's borderline ridiculous :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz
After the muffler is swapped it should be a bit quieter, considering all the 'muffling' internals of the current one are dead and there are holes in the back of it. Damn it, it looks so nice until you remember it's ****ed!
I reckon your exhaust itself will be loud no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by integral90
Do you get alot of cabin drone in it?
Comparing to my 5zigen exhaust i have a hotdog where you got yours and a resonator near the mandrel bend 90 deg to the muffler.
Rofl the rust and holes are probably from shipping it on cargohold ships... wasn't packaged well enough to stop moisture. :p
I am happy with my exhaust though since it's not a blast cannon.
BTW only yesterday when i was driving to work when i shift quick and let go off throttle i get 1 pop (backfire) from the exhaust.
You know what the reason for that is?
I bought it used and the brackets were blocking the rust/cracks so that's why it was only noticed when they were cut off at the exhaust shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz
The car does get a lot of cabin drone, but the sound is pretty nice!
I have a feeling the pop you get from an exhaust is the sudden change in the gas pressure of the exhaust pipe vs. the atmosphere. So it suddenly expands very quickly and causes the pop.
yeh, thats what i thought too cause only happened twice on the same day when changing throttle....was cool like a wrx popping hahah from the inside though. Outside my car prob sounds stockish!Quote:
Originally Posted by integral90
The pop would be most noticeable from the outside as it happens right at the opening of the muffler. I also know this because of the amount of looks I get when it happens :p when it happens in multi-story carparks it sounds like a gun firing, LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz