Hmm, it's as if almost 100% of clutch master cylinders are faulty. I think they are not up to spec. Honda should question their suppliers.
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Hmm, it's as if almost 100% of clutch master cylinders are faulty. I think they are not up to spec. Honda should question their suppliers.
I'm glad I ordered an auto :P
Which part of the clutch pedal mechanism do we lub?
My 250+km euro lux has a click near the top when depressed. It doesn't click when slowly depressed though.
I decided to listen to my clutch the other day, as i've noticed my accelerator pedal feels a bit creaky in segments (could be the last few cold days in sydney) but it's not smooth to press anymore, it's a slight feedback like it's not smooth.
I then decided to listen to the clutch - with all the master cylinder problems and good ol Honda Dealers telling me i'm dillusional and that the master cylinder is fine... *cough*
I noticed creaking as you press the clutch pedal to the bottom half.. I remember - that wasn't a good thing. I however do get the typical click from the top when you start pushing the clutch pedal down.
20,000km service is due soon next month, i've done only 14xxx km, should be at 20ish in the next few weeks. I'll definately have to get this looked at - if it's the mc problem which they claimed wasn't at the start - i'm going to be seriously pissed off especially if this is a cause for my first clutch wearing down and being blamed for user abuse.
I'll label this negligence.. they've had 2 years at least to sort out this damn problem and not deny it.
Have you spoken to Honda Customer Relations?
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Originally Posted by VirIIx
I was dealing with one person there from memory.. useless is all i can say. Typical corporate responses. But i'll take the car in to get looked at soon.
If this is a big problem for a majority of people with the Master Cylinder, i think we should do something about it and kick Honda up the arse :)
They'll only issue a recall if the problem threatens the safety or the driver. The MC issue just means extra noise, and maybe accelerated clutch wear that the owner will pay for anyway. So they have no incentive to recall it.
So.. has any 2005 Euro's had MC problem yet???
I think it applies only to the 03 and 04 Models....
*EDIT : Wrong Year*
This Sux... called Honda to schedule a service, they only open every second saturday @ Heidelberg
Damn... so 2003'ers get away with better clutch MC supplier.
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Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
Sorry guys, I made a boo boo, It's supposed to be 2003 and 2004 models according to this list... 2005 models are not effected as far as I know..
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Originally Posted by V205
VirIIx - i agree... my MC was replaced at 10,000km or so if your remember? and my clutch continually felt less grabby and "responsive" as too my accelerator like yours (for some strange reason).
As far as i'm concerned the MC is the cause for the failing clutch.
Hmmmm... what to do.. I'm in the same dilema. Mine's creaking and gives me the Sh*ts... esp cos i do a lot of city driving.
I think we those of use with the same probs should all go to the same dealer at the same time and make a fuss
i don't think going to a specific dealer to make a fuss. The dealer can only do so much within their power authorised by Honda themselves. I do have from confirmation that Larke Hoskin's Homebush Honda (the service guy was great there when talking too) he admitted he had changed a few euro's MC's.
Whilst Headoffice is in a bit of a denial as usual :p
And i have to agree with Ronin, can't be good for city driving. I've noticd the creaking getting louder and louder - or at least it's obsessing more and more over me :)
Just go to your dealer, complain of a creaking clutch pedal. They should get a tech to testdrive with you. Sit with him, and let him press the clutch. Confirm the noise and they will do one of two fixes. 1) Lubricate or 2) change master cylinder. Don't wait!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
Just took my TSX in for the clicking/creaking clutch pedal. This will be the second attempt at a fix. The first time they lubed and replaced a pin in the pedal assembly, this time they are replacing the Master Cylinder. I will post the results.
I hope it works well! Mine's been ok ever since changing it 8 months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by danotto
I've had mine replaced twice already LOL....
LOL, they replaced your faulty unit with another faulty one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
They replaced my Clutch Master Cylinder last week and no problems so far. Smooth as butter.
Yay! Another win for the owners!
I've had mine replaced at 13000km, 11000km later the clutch seems to become sticky...
maybe it's on it's way out again. :(
0km replacement, 9000km clutch replacement.
13000km, u can feel the creak and hear it...
car is in smash repairs to be fixed, then service to see if i can get this *creaking* fixed from what was told to me firmly that it was not my MC by 2 dealers, and an inspector.
I still haven't had mine done. Creak still annoys the crap out of me. Just gotta find some time.
Oh god... after about 10,000km with my new master cylinder the problem has come back! Grinding/clicking at the end of the clutch motion.
good one honda :thumbdwn::thumbdwn:
look like you need another visit to Honda Dealer..Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
I am having my 40000km major service done this friday. (they quote me $405 at Austal Honda Brisbane) I might ask the mechanics to check my clutch too... I have no problem with it,, but just for the peace of mind.
i still haven't gone yet either..
20K service coming up soon.. i'll get to it then
Same here 20,000 coming up soon - will get them to fix it definitely. I got the service dude to have a look at this forum so he can understand. but he says HOnda has not said anything about this problem, and that he hasn't had any before
I got mine lubricated at 10,000km service and the creaking is back after about 8,000km of driving. I guess they'll replace the master cylinder this time as they did state on the invoice that if it comes back, it'll need to be replaced.
You got 8000km after lube? Wow, mine came back in less than a month!
yea im coming up to my 20,000km aswell like a lot of you.
i'm curious is there any chance a faulty MC can do damage to any of the transmission parts?
just got my car back from the 20k km service...
now when i turn the car on it doesnt idle at 1500 rpm for a full 5 minutes it goes straigt to about 1000rpm - realy quite strange - something to do with the oil filter i'm guessing (honda only scheduels it to be replaced every 20,000km)
anyway the car feels like new again - revs are rising much more smoothly and quickly and even the steering feels lighter and more accurate (power steering fluid was down maybe?)
anyway about the creaking clutch which i bought up (yet again)... they said it was the master cylinder - no question. the guy was nice and told me i shouldnt feel repsonsible at all for the strange things going on with the clutch etc and that he would talk to the warranty department and make sure i have the latest MC design if it has actually been changed.
anyone else had their service yet?
Not yet,I'm about a month away. but cant wait
I had creaking noised first need the start of stepping on the clutch, then later it occured near the bottom of the clutch (when fully depressed) and now it usually makes no noise but is very loose... anyone have any idea whats the deal?
when i say loose, i mean theres no resistence to depressing the clutch whatsoever, kind of like when you step on the throttle....
there seems to be no problems with gearchanges, and no signs of clutch slipping... the engine still rev normal etc....
thanks
Chris F, sound like your service advisor is a friendly guy. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
Took my Euro in for 40000km major service at Austral Honda (Newstead, Brisbane) on Friday 26.08.05. When I handed my key in, I told the service advisor if boys can check my clutch master cylinder if it is not too troublesome. As we all know that quite a few of us already have Clutch master cylinder replaced due to creaking noise.
The service advisor became very defensive and said "Don't listen to the rumour in the internet!".
I then told him that at least 2 other Brisbane Euro Owners from my car club (ozhonda) I know of have their master cylinders replaced. He then went again: " it is rumour"
WTF, what kind of attitude and answer is that! :thumbdwn: .. His answer implies we ozhonda members here are bounch of liers, we do nothing useful except spreading rumours. He insulted OZHONDA, at the same time, he insulted me, coz I am a member of ozhonda.
I didn't argue with him further that day as my Euro was going to be there for the whole day, I didn't want the situation to turn ugly that he might trash my car as revenge. :(
I am going to make a complaint to their customer relation person, I will demand a formal apology from that service advisor.
How many of you actually have Master cylinder replaced.. Can we start a list here... (copy and paste the list and add yours on to the list)
Thank you guys.
- Baboo 2004 model
- Chris F 2004 model (replaced Twice?)
Me, 2004 model.
PNR888, can I ask how old you are? Sometimes they treat youngish people like they wouldn't know anything.
A service manager said to me that's "It's impossible for a car wash to cause swirls / micro scratches etc."
v205, PNR888 is older than i am and i was taken seriously - it just depends on how much of a prick the guy at the desk is.
Roger i wouldn't stand for that treatment either! I'd expect an apology.
I told them about the clicking issue and as soon as they checked it they immediately said it was the MC and that including mine they'd had a couple of others in for the same problem. The same problem is affecting people in the states too, theres a thread on tsx.acurazine.com about it too!
some honda dealers need to stop putting their head in the sand.
My service advisor works at southside honda, they've been great from the start my clutch on the other hand :thumbdwn::thumbdwn:
I guess if the service manager doesn't handle your concerns properly, take the business elsewhere?
PNR888, they will only check and change it if you have the creaking problem. Do you have that?
I happen to have bought my car from Austral Honda as well and I have never found them to be defensive or rude. At my last service, I just told them that my clutch was making creaking noise and by the time I came to pick up the car, they have found the problem and lubricated it with addtional comment on the invoice that it may need to be replaced if the noise comes back.Quote:
Originally Posted by PNR888
If you simply said that you don't have that problem now, but want them to check just because something you read on the net, it's obvious they won't be as obliging to check out your clutch.
Maybe you happen to have met an unfriendly guy, which I haven't yet experienced from them so far.
all i got to say is that with northside honda the srevice and manner is second to none.i will not go anywhere else.....and yes i was dealt with rather rudely at austral also and i complained to the manager and told him that their salesman suck and that not half an hour later i had purchased my car at northside.
yea i remember hearing about that albii.
there's no excuse for beng rude pricks.
if lots of people that you know and have met have had a problem with the MC (as in Rogers case) surely they can make an effort to "keep the customer happy".
a simple "sure we'll look into it for you:o" is all thats needed really.
"don't believe everything you hear :mad:" is a bad response regardless of circumstances
There's one knob service advisor working at Austral. Avoid him. The service manager there is alright though.
[QUOTE=V205]PNR888, can I ask how old you are? Sometimes they treat youngish people like they wouldn't know anything.
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I am 29. I am sure I am older than that service advisor.. having said that, I dont think that dude should discriminate young drivers or senior drivers or lady drivers. :thumbdwn:
I'm officially pissed off big time.
Once again, they have just lubricated the clutch pedal pivot point.
They are the one who suggested it may require replacing if it happens again and then they have gone with this crappy shit temporary fix. I'm sure to give them a call tommorow and yell them abuse. I would've done it already if I picked up the car myself.
Hello Guys,
Being a newbie to this forum and only had a euro for the last month also...
All i gotta say is .. another one bites the dust.....its happening to me too..
bought euro second hand..only been a month.....damn.
Hi 4G63BT. Just bring it to the dealer, and show them the creak yourself. And also get your warranty transferred over from the previous owner to yourself before you go to the dealer.
Damn it just had 20k service i reported clutch was clicking intermitently again dealer has advised master cylinder has been ordered to fix problem (under warranty)...
Hehe, that's good. Which dealer did you go to?
warick farm
my sister just came back with my euro from canberra.. took it out for a drive, and i think ive got the same problem as you guys.
i can feel it through the pedal, and hear it creak.
prolly give the dealer a ring next week.
Yup, remember to show the dealer yourself personally the creak. The creak comes after driving about 15-20 minutes from a cold start. All the best!
damn another unfortunate person experiencing this problem... i really think the euro has a poorly designed/ weak transmission :thumbdwn:
owwwwwwwhhh!!the creak happens to me too for about a month now.. before I saw this thread, I just thought there was something wrong with the clutch spring... Ill need to book for the service soon too.. :(
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In the US, it happens to Civics, USDM Accords and TSXs. The clutch master cylinder is probably produced by a third party and not by Honda themselves... That's why they've had a bad batch from 1991 til.... now. LOL. They should change manufacturers for that part.
farout thats a lot of cars with a lot of faulty MC's - pretty bad on honda's part - :thumbdwn:
Is it considered faulty because of a creak noise though? I mean.. it still functions ok etc.
I'm asking coz my CRV power steering rack has a whirly noise after warmed up etc..
Well, the dealer lubed it up the first time for me. And the creak came back and then they changed it. If they did so, then it could be considered faulty. I did not ask them to change the master cylinder. I just told them that the creak had come back.
Its been a while since I posted but just had 20000Km service. I noticed the dreaded clutch creak about 3-4 weeks ago. Booked the car in and told them about the clutch. They told me no worries they'll have a look. They rang to pick up the car at 4pm today. To my pleasant surprise they picked up on the clutch master cylinder problem. They replaced it and changed the fluids/lubricants related to the master cylinder all under warranty, happily, with no questions asked. No messing around and no need to come back at a later date. I have to say I was impressed considering the hassles others have had with this issue. Thanks to Tynan at Sutherland also for fixing things.
Any '06 Euro owners experiencing this problem?
I'm hoping they have resolved this common issue.
I have juz got my 04 std Euro 20K service done today, and i told them abt the creakin noice from the clutch. They replace a new clutch master cylinder for free as it is under warranty~
Update: My creak came back after 1 year. I've lubed it up myself and the creak has been gone for 2 weeks. My next service is in May. If the creak comes back by then, then I'll be on my 2nd NEW master cylinder!
Same prob as all you guys - I just got Scotts Honda to diagnose the creaking and they said they will book me in to replace the clutch pedal assembly. I asked if the master cylinder was ok - they said it was fine.
I hope they diagnosed it properly - will inform of results once the work is done! (in a week or two - they have to order the parts).
No problems with this clutch problem. The car is so damned quiet in all areas that I wish it would communicate with me a bit more. Going in for its 20,000km service tomorrow with no issues to report.
Noes my Euro is making a creaking noise now when pressed to the floor :(
Gonna get them to check it out at the next service
aaronn, I'm on my third clutch master cylinder and the creaks have stopped for about a year, maybe 3rd time lucky for you too:pQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Hehe, the creak hasn't come back, but what's more worrying is my vibrating clutch when I am releasing it after changing gear. After I stop the car, turn it off for a few minutes and on again, it goes away. Oh, this is so frustrating....Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
I've gone through my second CMC and my creak/vibration is back too... UURGH!!!!
As I've mentioned earlier, I had a bad case of the clutch creak before. Now, its seems as though the MC is the problem. However, my dealer has now replaced the clutch pedal assembly and the creaking has gone for more than a month now - still smooth. If the MC is the issue here, then replacing the clutch pedal assembly wouldn't have had made a difference, but it has. The MC hasn't been changed.
aaronng where abouts did you lube it yourself? Do you spray WD40 in the area where the clutch goes into the firewall?
NEVER use WD40 for lubing. And NEVER use WD40 for anything with rubber (master cylinder seals).Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroDude
Use silicone lube instead. But don't overspray... if the silicone gets into your clutch fluid, you're totally stuffed.
If you look behind the clutch pedal, there is a rod that goes into the firewall. If you push the rod in partially you'll see a gap. I sprayed silicone into the gap.
Thanks I may try that - the noise is getting quite loud now.
Is this stuff ok to use?
http://www.eagleasia.com/images/defa.../1583/5074.jpg
That looks ok. My CRC silicone is in a blue can though....
sounds like you have this stuff~
http://www.borokimya.com.tr/images/hava/silikone.jpg
I think the automotive stuff is stronger since the blue can is food-contact safe, anyways I'll give it a try :thumbsup:
well my freaking creak has come back again!
I bought some food grade silicon spray from bunnings that's fine for use with rubber seals etc. and tried the method you suggested aaronng, pressing the clutch in slightly and spraying into the gap (applying a few brief sprays)...
It didn't affect the creak at all... this sucks!
long live the creak..
3 years in April for the Euro and the creak is still there.. even after 1 MC change @ 30,000km and it started to creak a few K's after that..
will be asking them to change it at the coming service of 40,000km
Did you use a tube to direct the spray into the gap? If you didn't, that must have been some looooooong tube that you got with your spray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
I used the clear hose that they commonly use for bleeding brake fluid.