Wrong. Optimax has always been 98. Go to the Shell website.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhvu
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Wrong. Optimax has always been 98. Go to the Shell website.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhvu
I used to use only optimax - and was worried about the excessive black stuff on my rear bar.
then i switched to ultimate and dont have that problem.
....no idea about performance differances between the two...
...but the gay guy at my local BP sais its much better than any other fuel....
Im juding from my milage experience... Ultimate was much more efficient.. i always get better milage from it.. =]Quote:
Originally Posted by Savant
In terms of power and all that.. no idea like savant said.. doubt it would be noticable...
I've used both of them and have to say that i think that the Sheel seems to produce more power, but the BP was smoother. THe BP though seems to last longer and gives better milage.
I only notice this more when the Vtec kicks in. I haven't used the Synegy on the civic as yet but on my previous which had VVT it was just as good but seem to run out real fast. On the vortex it seems ok but doesn't have the kick that you really need.
I've always been using Optimax, but when I read (in another thread) that bp ulitmate and/or mobil synergy 8000 is better, I tried both of them, and from my experience, I can feel that bp & mobil gives better & smoother acceleration compared to optimax. Between bp & mobil though, I can't tell the difference. So now I'm always using either Mobil or BP... but Mobil is much closer to my home so I use Mobil more often.
Now i'd pay $$ to see that !!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Setanta
i favour more Synergy 8k & Ultimate. Then Vortex 98 & Optimax.
frankly, don't really mind what gas i use, as long as it's 98 ron.
i mean sometimes i change from between the four several times a month.
like, if i fill up with $5 from one, then $5 another & again & again...
maybe that will give me the best compromise of each, eey !?
hey there
i have read many threads about this topic and ill say something none of u guys have mentioned (but dont quote me on this - iam just referring to a source)
Now i cant remember exactly, but its along the lines of this:
BP Ultimate fuel is purely 98RON, but Shell Optimax is actually lower than 98, but they add stuff to the fuel to bring it up to the 98 level.
Also, the chemical additive in Optimax (called teluine or something) is left stuck in the surrounds of your fuel tank and other bits the fuel go through (like an unwanted deposit).
I use ultimate myself, a much smoother ride ;)
Thanks for you info, so any idea to get rid of the teluine thing? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by zoopsta
i only been a member for few months and i already got $20 gift voucher, i guess it depends how much you use itQuote:
Originally Posted by spoondc2
Shell says "The high octane is due to the blended fuel and not the use of octane boosting fuel additives".Quote:
Originally Posted by zoopsta
i mostly use optimax and some times ultimate, it seems that sometimes one or the other goes better.
ultimate is more expensive, ( $120.9 ) so i lean towards optimax, i only use the high octane stuff cos the motor needs it.
just paid 94.2c for ultimate today :)
Holy sh*t!! That's cheap as....no where near those prices here in Sydney :(Quote:
Originally Posted by muli
$120.9 thats some expensive fuel... hope they're putting caviar in it...Quote:
Originally Posted by h22a accord
Liar!Quote:
Originally Posted by kenshin
:eek: u bastard.Quote:
Originally Posted by muli
i wish it was that cheap over here !
Just paid 92.5 ultimate today. ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by SiR
couldnt resist... $120.9 / litre post :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sp3rMz
ok since this thread is still active, this week i filled up... drove to and past the city and back during peak hour.. due to a broken IACV my car idles at 2000 rpm and also because of that my throttle has been seeing alot more of the firewall than usual and ive just ticked over 400kms with atleast 1/8th tank left... filled up at 98.9c ultimate (cheap for melb atm!).. could push it to 450 easy so b16as IMO are very good back for buck!
Plus i have exposed pod and a/m headers so the car is seeing more flow than stock..
ultimate is better.. straight up.. more expensive but better.. as the saying goes "you get what you pay for" both have been dyno'd in a b16a, optimax pings and ultimate doesnt.. nuff said
I believe you're all wrong. I believe red bull makes your car fly. Little bird told me so. :D
Soo true!Quote:
Originally Posted by Baopham
My car ****t up recently, and needed a new distributer, since it got repaired it has been pinging like and absolute BITCH!!! So i gotta use the High Octane fuel to stop the pinging.
BP Ultimate pretty much stopped the pinging.....
Shell Optimax still has quite noticable pinging when i put my foot down
Unleaded...........lets just say im too embarrest to drive in public with that amount of pinging!!
Also an interesting fact....I did a lil experiment.....I drove with a light foot with unleaded petrol and got 530 k's off a tank. And then switched to BP Ultimate and got Over 600k's for the tank.
BP ULTIMATE all the way!!
Both are good. I use Shell Optimax normally but if I'm running out of fuel then I get BP Ultimate.
i use bp not only because bp is closer, but also because shell is further away
Shell is bad mmmkay :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Baopham
Is pinging the "ticking" sound u hear from the engine when it is idle/moving ?
well, i havnt really heard an engine ping when its idling. It Pings when u put ur foot on the gas tho, when the engine is trying to pull. It sounds like a little piece of sand or something being shaken around in an empty tin.
I heard it can be fixed by playing around with the distributer. the pinging sound is the pistons or something, not firing in sync.
Can anybody correct me on this?
Well this thread was about fuel. I'm sure your running one of the 98 Ron fuels if you have a vtec car? If not that also causes pinging.
Also sounds like your timing might be off. If you know how, get a timing gun and adjust the timing to factory settings. The setting is on the underside of the bonnet. Look in the Honda manual i think it tells you how to check the timing. a Timing gun costs around $30 - $200 depending on how good it is. IF you don't want to do it goto a mechanic and ask him to adjust it for you and just watch.
If you don't know what your doing you could stuff up the timing even more and if you engage the vtech while your timing is off so bad you'll likely damage something
Surprisingly No one uses Vortex ?? Its cheap and is really good on the car...i recommend atleast give it a try once...have never used BP (Bloddy exPensive), filled up Shell once...was very rough on engine...never again....Vortex has always been 100% for me and with the woolies voucher too ;) if Vortex is so excellent i gotta try the 98 stuff !!! I swear by Caltex....Shell sucks
I will use nothing but Shell Optimax for my Accord Euro, I tried Mobils Synergy and some of the others too but nothing seemed to make my Euro hum and run as smooth as it does when I changed over to Shell! I am serious, the engine runs smoother, I get better acceleration and even better fuel efficiency! Go figure?
if u got d16, BP all the way. nothing makes my baby sing as sweet. Ive had many ppl i know fillup with BP when optimax wasnt being delivered, and have swapped over since because its so awsome.
yumyum 100octane.... *gRinz* my dreams of my baby becoming the batmobile are fast returning. hahahahaahha
I'm gonna try out the Vortex 98 for the 1st time today. I'll see if I notice any diff. etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozwolfbane
tell us how it goes...
Dmanit i hate reading threads liek these.
Now im confused on wot to use ..........!!!!
I think ill decide with spin the bottle or sumthing.
Im fortunate to live next to a shell, mobil, and BP just under 2km away. Shell/Optimax leaves a carbon build-up all over your car (in the car engine and on outside) very quickly. BP/Ultimate actually cleans your car so there's an advantage! but bit pricy... Snergy8000 is probably the best but is also expensive...
There is no significant performance difference between the three...So take your pick!
Chi, lol i know what you mean.
why not clean up the car first? lol BP Ultimate!
Hey Fellas,
correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't there a time when Ethanol was placed in fuel and therefore would be bad for the engine?
BP was known to be the worst and a colleague of mine had been told by a mechanic that BP used more ethanol than the other fuel brands.
The way he identified it was the orange/yellowish residue in her fuel filters etc when the mechanic had finished with his service. And when you go pour your fuel, you will notice the BP fuel is more yellow than say Mobil or Shell.
AND on top of that, I hear some people saying that ethanol is good for the engine...wtf??..as if!!
So, my other question is, is it because of this yellowwish colour in BP fuel (not that I am bagging it out) that doesn't cause the black carbon soot to be produced compared to the Shell Optimax??..
I am willing to go with the majority but confused on WHICH fuel is the best for my vtec engine, even after reading all the threads.
Anybody able to shed more light on this subject?
:)
a little is supposedly good for flushing out impuritiesQuote:
Originally Posted by NightRyder
If you've taken the time to read all of these posts - 100+ of them - you will have noticed that nobody is complaining about the way the BP ULtimate fuel burns!!! That's the most important fact here... People with darker coloured cars may not notice the residue build up on the back of their cars with the Optimax, but others (particularly DOHC VTEC owners) definitely have. I had my mechanic try to tune my VAFC to lean the car out and stop the residue, but it wasn't until I changed to Ultimate that the residue completely disappeared! I'm sold!
To sum up what others have said in this thread, (loosely!!!)
Not sure - About 50%
Like power of Optimax full stop - About 15%
Like power of other 98 octanes - About 5%
Like BP Ultimate b/c of cleaner burning or power - About 30%
Statistically, if you want more power at any cost - choose Optimax.
If you want the benefits of a clean burning, 98 octane fuel - BP Ultimate!!!
I like to lok after my car so I'll stick with the Ultimate!
iijjee
P.S. These statistics are like ALL quoted by HONDA nuts - biased, opinionated and FACTUAL !!! (lol!)
and i'd stick to mobil synergy 8000 :)
guess its trial n see what ur ride likes... so really no point in asking further... each car is different
*spins the bottle...* ;)
again, i just think it's a personal choice, convenience and experience... and maybe price. :D i've still yet to see a comprehesive study dun comparing each fuel, and unless sumone links us (mentioned this already), i'll stick to my Optimax, cos it's convenient and i've never had a prob before. oh, and for those ppl wif residue on their bumpers from using wotever fuel, y don't u just get a muffler that extends past ur bumper a lil more... hehe... like mine which sticks out heaps! problem solved and u can use wotever wifout a worry ;)
Just in case you fellas want to know, and not directly related to the topic at hand, genuine Honda FEO oil is made from Caltex, but of course branded as Honda's own. Honda Australia has asked Caltex to blend their oils so as a side note for all you fellas, a Honda service dude said that Caltex vortex 98 octane (which just came out in the recent month I believe) is most recommended for all Honda's, especially VTEC engines..
:p
Most recommended for all Honda's? do you have a source?Quote:
Originally Posted by NightRyder
I spoke to a Honda Service person the other day when asking about a service.. :)
Resurrecting an old thread here...but with the price of fuel seemingly continuing to go up, I actually considered "downgrading" to BP Premium today (95 octane). I've always used BP Ultimate (98) but it is getting kinda pricey, but in the end chickened out and pumped up with Ultimate once again.
I've read some reports that for a 1.6 non-VTEC GLi Civic or a 2.0 CR-V, using 95 octane is actually better than 98 as those engines aren't designed to use anything higher than 91? Not sure how true this statement is. Does anyone know??
If it is non-vtec, 95 will work. AUDM non-vtec engines were spec'd to use 91. If modded, at the intake, then it's wise to use 1 step up. If all you have is an exhaust mod, then 91 is ok. If you have an aftermarket ECU or piggyback, go 98.
i've always used shell optimax. 450kms per FULL tank (45Litres) ! "BUT
the otehr day. i cbfed looking for shell anymore. so tried bp ultimate.filled up 50bux =36Litres - i have driven 470kms !!! still got abit of petrol left in the tank. i dont know wtf happened. i think i'll be using bp ultimate from now on
Hi everybody,
Spoke to a friend (my manager) who only uses BP. He drives a Magna v6 station wagon. I have experienced his driving, he does not go above 2000rpm ehehe!!! He told me that a full tank on BP (91 Ron) consistently gives him more KM's than Shell (91 RON).
How do I know this, because I was in his car the other day and he was driving around on empty without a care in the world !!! He said he gets about 480-490 km per full tank on BP while about 450-460 on Shell and not to worry and I quote " Still plent of petrol on E". HEHEHEH
Just my two cents on this topic :)
:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by z3lda
ive put in av gas in my car and was that mad to drive, car reved a lot quicker, sounded meaner and power came on better. its 104 or 106 rating too. b18 ran like a dream. now that i have ran out i only use ultimate cos its pure 98.
okay, "definitive guide"...may be surprising to some
the best 98 octane petrol is caltex vortex 98
mobil synergy/bp ultimate are a close close 2nd/3rd
last is of course optimax (destroyer of many engines)
my source comes from a thread on MRT forums researched (dyno tested and fuel efficiency) by the main man Brett Middleton.
http://www.mrtrally.com.au/forums/to...11&whichpage=1
he doesn't post up the actual results due to various legalities, but he does infer quite heavily that caltex vortex is number 1
i use to use vortex but switched to bp ultimate, im trying every petrol, so far i found that bp ultimate is the best for my car (dc4):thumbsup:
before i used to own a celica, i tried shell optimax n her, evertime i use it, my car feel like shit :thumbdwn: ever since then i never use shell
Dude Caltex Caltex is the way to go!!!!!!
my car feels so much better with caltex than mobile BP,Shell ETC
whateva is cheaper :)
Well.. first I tried shell optimax and seems good.... rev below 3000 compared to 5000 using standard unleaded. But soon I noticed that my engine was too loud and black smoke came out from my tail pipe. Then I change to BP ultimate.. the result is my engine run smoothly (just like new) and only white smoke come out from my tail pipe. I definitely agree that BP ultimate is cleaner and better than Shell Optimax. Haven't tried Synergy 8000 or Vortex 98 so can't make any comment on those :)
So overall what is the conclusion? I just got my 06 civic and I am using BP ultimate at the moment? Should I change to something else?
wat about V power yo, its got a rating now. whereas optimax was random
vortex 98 ownes all.
Optimax was rated 98.Quote:
Originally Posted by kayot1k
coming from perth shell did not have optimax, so i used ultimate. moved over to canberra brought my car over and started using optimax. i found that optimax gave me less mileage. thats the only real difference i've noticed.
regarding black bumpers. vtec engines are tuned from the factory to run rich at high rpm's to protect the engine. hence black smoke/ black bumper. my opinion is tuning and not fuel prevents the black smoke from ur exhaust.
Dunno about the new V-power that replaced optimax, seems more powerful than optimax. But still not as clean as ultimate I supposed.
aaronng are you sure on that ?
when i used to own a toyota there was a big debate on shell optimax there in the forums about how optimax didnt have a stable octane rating hence they did not advertise the 98ron on their pumps at the petrol pumps.
cant remember exactly but it went from like 92 - 102 or something like that depending on the day/mixture.
because it does make sense now since if you see their flyers or banners at shell optimax is shows an arrow from optimax to V power and it actually sez 98 ron in regards to v power.
ive heard that too , from a bowser operators mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by kayot1k
Its the additives and age that determined the "RON" rating apparently...
perhaps this dodginess is what made them replace it with V power
i use bp 98 all day everyday.. but sometimes when i feel like the switch i switch over to quix premium 98.. it actually feels more responsive..
but i pour it the 2nd time around.. it feels shit house again.. so i use bp
havent poured quix petty in a while might give it ago again
On their website, it was labeled a 98. The variations in RON is a quality control issue. Vpower is supposedly the same as optimax but with some lubricating additives.
dude bp ultimate is the best full stop.
any petrol company that will give you discounts for going and shopping at coles or woolies is crap.
synergy is not too bad as well but i never used it in my S2K.
bp ultimate gives you more power and is still pretty economical.
Nah, statements like the one you made are crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by integrity
Try out Vortex98 for yourself. Don't diss it if you haven't tried it.
i use to be the biggest BP Ultimate fan! but when V-power came up and the savings i get from Coles myer credit card, coles receipts, Shells the overall better deal! im getting about an extra 30-50km from v-power and the car doesnt misfire as much compared to the ultimate and the old optimax, the car feels honestly much smoother and healthier despite my cars mood swings lol.
V-power, adding the "V" on VTEC! :cool: :thumbsup:
BP cos there servo stations are way betta than any other ones lol
V POWER y0! does well for me....
i get really good mileage and car runs so smooth and responsive :thumbsup:
Does V-power as clean as bp ultimate?
is it worth trying v power??
i always found bp more expensive in brissy (not taking into account dockets too)
VORTEX FTW!!! :thumbsup:
Vpower = Optimax.
I tried a full tank. Seems ok. But fuel consumption was the same as Optimax.
Totally agree with aaron!Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Vortex98 is a great fuel, much better than Optimax!
im on V power too (from caltex 98) and it seems OK but its running abit richer and getting less k's per tank...
its over rated IMO
no, v-power is shell.. caltex 98 is vortex
no , i meant "before from" caltex 98 lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Bond
fill my car with v-power today.. seems more powerful and as clean as ultimate.. but the engine is still louder than using ultimate.. but see how it goes. Wanna try vortex 98 next time i fill the tank :p