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go on youtube and type in "type r battle" or after watching that youtube video it should be one of the options down the bottom,
dc5r, dc2r, s2000, ep3 , ek9, s15, audi s3
no idea why they put the non honda's in this race haha but just because a dc2r wins in one race doesnt mean much when watching this video.
exactly like one video where a ep3r beats a dc5r, apparently based on that video the ep3r is faster than the dc5r no questions asked. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Wez_R
well iv heard that the ep3r has better acceleration then the dc5r on a youtube video but thats about it
on that type R battle video the
rankings go.
DC5R
EP3R
S2000
Audi S3
S15
DC2R
EK9R
So every video a differnt car seems to wins
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Originally Posted by burak213
lol at least dc2r comes with carbon fibre inserts lol and imo the dc5 looks like a new van lol the dc2/r feels like a car still!!
get your facts right...thats an acura... nor is that a stock dc2r interior. Its got DC5R recaros.
use your imaginationQuote:
Originally Posted by Zinyo
picture the type S with recaro's
and the dc2 with no gauges on the pillar
why is there so many dc5r's compared to dc2r's on carsales?
1.people dont like to sell em cause they are worth keeping
2. theres not many around cause lil kids wrap them in tree's.
3.when dc5r's drive past and see me in my dc2r they think to themselves (why d idnt i get a real looking type R)
4. i personally LOVE the Dc2r.
after going from a integra ls to a integra vti-r then to a crx then to a audi a4 AWD i've come back to the Dc2r's. i wouldnt go dc5r just as i dont like the look of em? doesnt tickle me... its a car i owuld buy my misses but not drive myself personally.
Because more ppl crash DC2R's
hence not as many around for sale.
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Originally Posted by Samm928
lol when i drive pass dc2r's they dont bother racing me cause they know they will LOSE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Samm928
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Originally Posted by burak213
they're talking about dc5r and dc2r so the dc5r interior is different to that; as in its got more type R logos around, red stitching, diff steering wheel, gear knob, etc. The posted dc2r has dc5r recaros on the car and few additions along the side.
when i see a dc2r next to me............blehhhh i dont give a crap. each to their own. ("its a car i would buy my missus" - come off it mr tough guy)
DC2R's are so much sleaker. I even prefer the DC2's interior as the DC5R looks purely like plastic.
DC2R all the way! i dont really like the dc5 - their to expensive.
awww dont be like that! its ok to have a dc5r! i personally just love the dc2r "look"Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinyo
there wouldnt be a k20 in my car if i didnt live dc5r motors ;)
http://www.edmunds.com/media/roadtes...sx.int.500.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by cvc247
http://image.hondatuningmagazine.com...ckpit_view.jpg
Dude that comparison is bulshit:
1) Pictures are different angle, one is flattering, one is a shocka
2)Your comparing a kitted out type R with a bland-spec rsx-s.. the interior of an aussie dc5r with recaros and bright blue carpet is a whole different story..
i LOVE the dc5r interior, it's chunky, nice quality, heaps more practical and modern and all in all a massive update from the dc2r which the basic design was from way back (1991 i believe) get with the times baby;)
100% dc2.
DC2 is rawww.
The DC2R has been tuned to its limits.
Using the blue prints from the Integra vtiR, they were able to construct the complete package in the DC2R pushing an extra 17kw, making it close to 90kg lighter + a heap more finely tuned parts in general.
Hence the fact it is called the true typeR...
The implementation of the newer K20A engine ment starting from scratch.
Yes people hate Honda for not using the double wishbone - but hey Mitsubishi use the Macpherson Strut in there Evolution models, i dont see any problems with there handling.
...Besides the DC5R only has the Macpherson Strut in the front...
Imagine Honda decided to not care to much about the environment (with all these green friendly cars made - not just with Honda but every other manufacturer) and focused more on completing their development on this newer K20A engine?
We've already seen mod for mod the DC5R>DC2R
Just imagine if there was a new model of Integra to come, using the DC5R as the blue print (like Honda used the vtiR to create the DC2R) and made the new "tuned to its limits" DC5R!!
I know which one i would pick.
Weather it be the DC2 or the DC5 we all love our Integras and there is no denying how enthusiastic we are about it.
That is what makes a good community & i love to be part of it.
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Originally Posted by act_gooner
So is an early 90s Hyundai Excel..
lol yea thats true but the person who posted up this picture with the shit angle pics is a dc5 fan lol and to the other person talking up the dc2rs interior im all about simple stock look... dont realy care about the side water temp guages n things you dont really need if it was turboed and it had a boost guage fair enough.. and the dc5r seats is too similar to the sr3z so im not fussed about that either... i was mainly talking about the amour all shiney look you can get from the dc2rs dash thats all..
the only thing i reckon in the photos the dc5 has over the dc2r is the door handle lol but even then WHO CARES!!! DC2R ALL THE WAY and i read a fact somewhere along time ago power to wieght dc2r 'JUST' beats the dc5r...
ohhh and IMO i find it funny how every single type r comes with carbon fibre inserts EXCEPTTTTTTTTTTT the dc5r lol so IMO again dc2r is a better type r... and k20a compared to b18c7 yea fair enough the b series motor is a 20 year technology but ive beaten dc5s's and dc5rs im not saying by 93478583476 car lengths but i have... and im sure my car has lost power aswell... so i think thats poor effort on the k series behalf...
BUT OTHER THEN THAT i reckon the dc2r and the dc5r are the sexiest hondas out!! =]
LOL! i hope they dont close this thread. Theres actually no answer to this, its a matter of personal opinion and looks like DC2 Type-R is still in most people's heart. Would be interesting to read in the future as the post goes on and on for as long as it takes, LOL
DC2r atw. Both are 2 different series, B vs K. Interior od dc2 is just look more simple then dc5.
can you explain this?Quote:
Originally Posted by _bORdO_
if you mod the dC2R the same as DC5R the DC2R is still lighter meaning it would still beat the DC5R?
AUDM DC5R K20A engines produce more power than the AUDM DC2R B18CR after bolt ons.
AUDM DC5R is more restricted from factory than the AUDM DC2R
Only issue with the DC5R is the high dash and the suspension as it tends to be a bit tricky to get to most peopls liking.
I've owned both and overall the DC2R is the better handling car where as the DC5R has the better engine.
And TBH this thread has the most stupid replies I've seen.
:wave:
How ya going burak,
I'm sure some can elaborate more on what im trying to say - but ill try an put it into perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by burak213
Ok first of all let me start off with saying the AUDM K20A motor in the DC5R actually has just as much potential as the JDM spec DC5R, the differences are fairly subtle.
The new K20A engine has roughly been tuned to output around 130-150kw atw with the standard bolt ons (ie. I/H/E + ecu & tune) and there should be a little left in it yet...
Throw in some hardcore cams and valves, better clutch and fly & intake manifold im sure you would be looking @ 165kw+ (roughly)
To get these results in the older B18C7 takes quite a lot of effort, the DC5 might not be as raw as the DC2's driving experience - but there is more potential in it.
i like looking at my cluster knowing that it looks like it can rev to 10,000 =)
instead of a dc5r sport look that only goes to 9000 :(
that extra digit took my breathe away.
http://www.gogaminggiant.com/wp-cont...7/facepalm.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Samm928
I am dc2r fans. The handling of dc2r is better than dc5r as my opinion. Like a kart.
http://movienewsfirst.com/wp-content...he-furious.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Tai
PWHOAA
I'm with this guy!
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000..._1_xlarge.jpeg
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Originally Posted by Samm928
nice car u got there dude...just stop trying too hard with your "i'll buy for my missus" quotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samm928
i raise you sirQuote:
Originally Posted by Samm928
http://i27.tinypic.com/2yw7m2s.jpg
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Originally Posted by GSi_PSi
i liek you sir. 2 free soda cans for you on wednesday... LOL
wish i could come man, no license till the 8th :(
dc2r hands down.
what year did you travel to when you hit 11000rpm?Quote:
Originally Posted by GSi_PSi
i mean time travel wise?
:D
The year they discountinued the DC5 due to sales performance :DQuote:
Originally Posted by burak213
cant wait for honda to make a 2.6L 4cylinder in a dc2r shell -> DC9R FTW
nice dude nice! drop the bombshell ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GSi_PSi
lol epic!Quote:
Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T
tis was a bad year :(Quote:
Originally Posted by GSi_PSi
The best thing about DC2R is you can put a K20 in it.
you can put a J series in it if your really that into itQuote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
or anything if you have the money =]
J Series!? fair dinkum?. I still prefer K20'scoz its even lighter than B18CQuote:
Originally Posted by Samm928
I shouldve gone back in time with this carhttp://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5279/flamestyper.jpg and told my best mate to get a DC2R instead of a DC5R
technically its heaver. gotta upgrade front suspension as its heavier. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
lucky got the fightex coilovers already. i shall b sweet.
Dc2r>dc5r.
:D
damn. does this mean if someone was to build a time attack dc2r they are wasting their time with an inferior platform?Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
it was always my dream to put a k series in my dc2 and turn it into a time attack car.. but if its true that the chassis is inferior too then i would be very sad indeeed =/
nelson has a jdmk20 dc2r and hes running really fast laptimes in wakefield i think around the low 1.08s
dc4 FTW!
dc4 is a gsi lolz
I really wish i had that picutre of the bird saying o rrlyQuote:
Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T
Man what an interesting read TBH...
IMHO DC5R for me.. Not cause i drive one, it's just my opinion.
i Swapped with a mate for a week DC2R for DC5R... God... SR3's are fkn smaller..
Disaster to be honest.
C/F inserts look grouse.. mmm Carbon but i prefer the DC5R newer look.. it may not be as raw but new motor means GREATER potential IMHO
As others have said, it's not as tuned as the DC2R was..
Put a KPRO in a stock K20A2 and watch the magic mmmmmm
DC5R > DC2R
had a bit of a read through good thread.
ive owned a dc2 itr and now dc5 itr and i must say that the dc2 will always be a big favorite of mine for the day its a great drivers car. i like the dc5 a little more these days because its newer and improved in a lot of places. but i feel the dc2 may have handled a little better from stock but it had a bit of a scary tail whip if not used to it.
what i really want to know is how the ep3 compares to the 2 :) can any one comment who have driven the 3 ?
I believe its a personal preference. When hunting for an ITR 3 years ago, test drove both JDM DC2R and JDM DC5R. In my opinion, DC2R chassis is better but DC5R has a better engine with better response and better brakes with the Brembos! If you are looking for a type R you need to ask yourself the question, "Do i want an everyday car or a car I'd love to fang around the tracks on the weekend?"
DC5R has all the creature comforts thus the less "hugging" seats, sound deadening, aircon and stereo while DC2R is literally a loud stripped down street car with minimal creature comforts, no sound deadening, thinner windscreen. DC5R was probably built to cater for a larger market segment since DC2R isn't exactly everyones cup of tea. You can't exactly show up at a business conference in a loud low slung DC2R because you look out of place. The lower roofline makes it a bitch trying to get in and out off if you're a tall bugger. To add, wearing a business suit in DC2R seats is uncomfy! DC5R fills all these gaps i've mentioned.
At the end of the day, driving a stock DC2R makes me feel like I'm driving a racing car with bucket loads of fun despite the age while driving a stock DC5R made me feel like i was driving my mum's Accord Euro. I personally feel that Honda released DC5R as a tiger without fangs because of what they've done. They could've pushed the envelope further by removing all the sound deadening etc but that means that the DC5R is still again catered to the same bunch of people who loved the DC2R.
At the end i still picked a DC2R because i can still put DC5R brembos into them, k20a engine and box and if you feel the chassis has lost rigidity, foam fill it up and it'll feel rigid again. In the real world, if you're a real type R fan, buy a DC5R as a daily driver and keep your DC2R as a weekend track car :)
Just my 2c
Spyda00, I have driven all 3 but i can't comment because i didn't fang the EP3! The owner was in the car with me :(
I've read somewhere a few years ago that Honda Australia actually imported a Japanese market dc5 Type-S and rebadged it to a Type-R
i always thought that it was a US Type-SQuote:
Originally Posted by EVLGTR
correct me if i'm wrong..
its the little things i remember from my old dc2 itr compaired to my dc5 itr.
has any one ever noticed that the dc2 itr has no wind screen sprays on the bonnet where most other cars including the dc5 do. i always loved that on my old teg
I drive a dc2r, and also have driven like 2 or 3 other dc2rs.
They all feel different lols.
what are windscreen sprays? the water-shooting-things lol? cos mine has them...Quote:
Originally Posted by spyda00
yes and i never realised that if they don't hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by pure_na
They don't have them on the bonnet, theyre on the bit between the windshield and the bonnet... well they are on my dc2 and mates dc2r
Is the general consensus that the dc2 is still better than the dc5?
is this what you do? drive around ozhonda in your corolla digging up old threads?
don't worry about what random internet ppl say buddy go test drive both and see what you like best
Dc2 great handle on track for me. But Dc5 more power for push me in carQuote:
Originally Posted by flop101
flop the DC2r has 5 speed and DC5r has 6 speed box so understand that you wont be able to shift from 2nd to 6th like you love to in your Sportivo in the DC2r, you will have to just do with shifting from 2nd to 5th :)
How many decent examples of either are actually left? The Clio 197/200 is probably the better modern alternative now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveho1
^^ A few under 100K kms, mine has 43K on it. Not sure about the 5Rs.
Clios do not resell well sadly
didnt your clutch cylinder kark it?
you keep saying such low kms but I reckon its fake lol
or it was thrash before
Yet more proof that they are the buy of the century. You can pick one up for the same price as an 03-04 DC5. Cups are a little more but get the Brembos, Cup chassis and Recaros.Quote:
Originally Posted by Setanta
dc2r at 5 gear too load for freeway
dc5r for moar comfort daily features
also dc5r cheaper than dc2r noadays
dc5ftw
and dc5 give more push me in carQuote:
Originally Posted by integraR
if you get dc2r you will always dream of kseries so why settle for 2nd best
buy dc2 with k
b18c has groce push me in car
yeah if you can find one already swap for cheap it will be worth
but doing the swap on top of buying dc2r ends up too much,then youre in ballpark for better cars
what about s2000?
true m8Quote:
Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T
unless u p plater
in which case
a stock dc5 with big sound system
Didn't it used to be turbocharged? Proof kms aren't everything..Quote:
Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T
Mate picked up a 172 for 5.8k last year. You can make money off them if they are written off lol. Basically a slightly slower, but more torquey dc2r with better steering. They are awesome little cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by m0nty ITR
Agreed. Cult status in Europe. Very popular as the Lutecia in Japan, but here they are lurker a amongst enthusiasts. Anyone who considers themselves a true hot hatch aficionado acknowledges their potential. So many great hot hatches out of France. Clio Williams, Renault Turbo, 205 GTI, Clio 172, 185, 197, 200, Megane 225/230, 250/265, Citroen DS3 Racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhys.l
I've actually been on the lookout for a 205 GTI of late. They're either $2k rust buckets or $18k modded ones. Nothing in between that just needs a bit of TLC. Because they're so rare a well kept one is now appreciating. I bet some owners don't even know what they're sitting on.
I'm surprised more. People don't look at French cars for P plate friendly performance drives.