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Originally Posted by praja6

Have a look, eventhough Toyota got so many recalls, still corolla still sold most car of 4000 last month. This is because people buy corolla will know its not only economical or reliable or cheap, but can also sell it quicker.

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Toyota just don't take any chances, and will recall if any problem is found. Unlike other manufacturers who will do everything not to recall a car.

The bull bar mounts on my Prado were recalled, after it was found that a very few examples had cracked when used over great distances driving on corrugations. Mine were fine, never knew there was an issue untill the dealer rang and told me. They could have just replaced the ones that had an issue case by case (sound familiar?), but perception and reputation is everything.

Toyota have the best manufacturing standards in the world, and sell their business practices to every other industry. All build the perception and reputation of Toyota, something that Fredoops says doesn't mean shit lol!

Toyota have the best manufacturing standards in the world, and sell their business practices to every other industry. All build the perception and reputation of Toyota, something that Fredoops says doesn't mean shit lol![/QUOTE]

YOu are absolutely correct Matt about Toyota standard. I think anywhere in the world most people knows the Toyota brand and will buy with a trust and reliability. However the interier in Toyota, especially when i look at camry or aurion are not the same standard as our Accord Euro..

Just a fact, if any of the toyota car got the ping issue like many of you talk about here in accord euro, i am sure toyota would have already recalled those models voluntarily to fix the issue..

The main reason Toyota do so well with sales figures is they offer huge discounts to fleet & rental companies. Overall Corolla is number 1 seller, but if you look into private sales Mazda got the nod last I read.

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Originally Posted by praja6

Toyota have the best manufacturing standards in the world, and sell their business practices to every other industry. All build the perception and reputation of Toyota, something that Fredoops says doesn't mean shit lol!

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If you wish to find out how Toyota got to be that way read up on the American, Dr. W. Edwards Deming at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming

and then:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Production_System

A lot of it stems from the American decision after WW2 not to absolutely crush and vanquish Japanese society, but rather rebuild it into a powerful democratic constitutional monarchy and to help its industries and people; who at that time had been reduced to severe poverty and so amongst the lowest living standards of any industrialised nation. The Americans did a similar thing for Germany and Italy after WW2 and each of these three economies rank in the top 7 in the world.

People do forget things easy don't they.

Can remind all you folks Toyota holds the record of the worlds largest safety recall. And it only happened after a number of fatalities which resulted in US legislators forcing Toyota to act, Toyota promply ignored the issue until shit hit the fan.

The law suit for this is ongoing. This whole debacle went down in 2009-10.
The recall was for EIGHT models built over a 5 year period.

**kluger is the only car to ever flip in a Wheels test for stability control effectiveness (2007 city)
**Lexus GX460 (prado based) one of only 2 cars in the past decade to recieve a NOT SAFE - DO NOT BUY by US consumer reports

Reputation leads to complacency. THAT is the problem. It is the consumer who will pay for the car-maker's complacency. As to the guy who's brainmatter went through the windscreen because his gas pedal jammed, he paid it with his life.

Like it or not, it is up to us consumers to keep carmakers on their toes. At the end of the day any carmaker is still a corporation. Whose sole purpose is to make money. Down to the core the only difference between car maker like Honda/vw/Toyota and a company like BP(who's oil spill ruined gulf of Mexico) is the product they sell.

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

**kluger is the only car to ever flip in a Wheels test for stability control effectiveness (2007 city)

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Come on man, tell the whole story.

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

**Lexus GX460 (prado based) one of only 2 cars in the past decade to recieve a NOT SAFE - DO NOT BUY by US consumer reports

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Been recalled and resolved. But don't worry man, you can't buy one. Left hand drive only.

To tell the truth in subcontinent community mostly in average people(people from India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh) blindly go for Toyota, mainly based on their reliability and popularity. Thats why people started calling Camry and corolla as a "CUrry" car.
This is the main reason i don't want to buy a Toyota and wanted something different with under 35k budget. Within the decent car i found was our Accord Euro, not only it fit my budget, also it has a luxuary car look.

Still its a question, does Honda hold same quality as Toyota? We will see...

If i personally buy an european car, i would either go for Mercedes or BMW thats it. If i buy a car in another 5years time and my finance situation permit i will definately go for the BMW 5 series.

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Originally Posted by Type R Positive

Come on man, tell the whole story.

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Read up wheels 2007 Car of the year edition. and then Toyota's response in writing on the very next issue.

Toyota, I've owned 3 Toyota's in the past. 2 x 2006 Yaris & 2001 Rav4. Impressions: they're just basic reliable cars, cheap to run and cheap to service and can use E10 petrol

Mitsubishi, I owned a 2001 Lancer 1.5L, impression: it was a very basic car and bought it without much thinking. Only lasted 1.5 year.

Honda, I've owned 2 Honda's in the past and 1 current. 1996 Civic VTi / EK sedan, 2006 Accord Euro Lux / CL9 sedan, and 2010 CU2. Impressions: the EK was a fun first car and being 1.6Ltr SOHC and petrol was 56cents / L back then, I spent only $25 a week to travel 400-450kms. CL9 was a nice car, great for its intended function but it was no sports sedan as advertised on the brochure. CU2, also great for its intended function and comfy, but again it's not a sports sedan and slow and heavy. Have to revv above 5000rpm to get rush. CL9 and CU2 recommended petrol is 95 ron, so it's been quite costly to run for average of 10L-12L/100kms in Sydney.

VW Golf GTI, it's a hot hatch and it's HOT yet easy for a daily drive and average 8L/100kms despite frequent on boost rush :p

IMO, it's not good to say bad things about a brand which you have not had before. It's like a Mazda salesperson who says to you bad things about Honda and vice versa. I'm sure a Rolls Royce / Ferrari salesperson would never use such sales tricks cos it's cheap trick.

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

Read up wheels 2007 Car of the year edition. and then Toyota's response in writing on the very next issue.

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So some idiot rolls a kluger being an idiot, Toyota is shit? Come on man, post what the idiot did!

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120Y's were 1200cc. Mine used to do 80km/h flat out, down a hill, with a tail wind.

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I got my 76 model 120Y up to 160km/h once. Had a 5 min runup down a long straight gradient coming back from Giru to Townsville. Talk about having a feeling of floating.

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Originally Posted by CU2 Euro 09

I got my 76 model 120Y up to 160km/h once. Had a 5 min runup down a long straight gradient coming back from Giru to Townsville. Talk about having a feeling of floating.

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LOL! I know that road well! Too many pot holes there now, as well as too many cops.... 160km/h is a bloody good effort!!! But quicker than a 253 HQ? ROFL!

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Originally Posted by Type R Positive

So some idiot rolls a Kluger being an idiot, Toyota is shit? Come on man, post what the idiot did!

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First. I never said Toyota was shit.
Mate you've completely, utterly missed the entire point I was trying to make.
- There's no point arguing, and no point turning this thread into a my brand vs your brand, USDM vs JDM, iphone vs android, ATi vs Nividia, GTR vs 911 turbo sort of crap, so this will be my last post in this thread.

The entire point I was trying to make (I gonna sound like Michael Moore... but that fat-ass' got a good point):

• ALL car companies, after all is just another corporation, whose core purpose is to make a profit for shareholders
• All companies/corporations place shareholder return ahead of corporate social responsibility (and sometimes, the company comes before ethical standards )
• ANY brand can produce a lemon or an unsafe vehicle, regardless of reputation
• ALL car manufacturer are looking for various ways to cut cost and increase margins.
• The history have many examples of car companies ignoring warnings which resulted in deaths (Ford Pinto/Crown Vic, Toyota last year etc)
• Reaction of ALL companies (cars or not) when faces with issues that could be damaging to the brand is to go on the defensive regardless of whether they are right or wrong (those CU2 owners who brought the car when it first came out with the pinging problem had experienced this first hand).
• PR departments sole purpose is to "influence" the public to the benefit of the company, call that whatever you like, I call it deception.
• Past performance does not predict future performance... Otherwise Bernie Madoff would still be a free man.
• Finally, your compensation from the libel lawsuit against any company.. Is a tax deductible. Look up James Hardie and the Asbestos compensation fund.

Excuse me for treating all car companies with contempt. They are, like all corporations, a necessary evil for this world, just don't treat them like Mother Theresa, they are not.

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Originally Posted by Fredoops

People do forget things easy don't they.

Can remind all you folks Toyota holds the record of the worlds largest safety recall. And it only happened after a number of fatalities which resulted in US legislators forcing Toyota to act, Toyota promply ignored the issue until shit hit the fan....

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I'm no great fan of Toyota mobile appliances but their production systems are cutting edge. You might recall a recent news story that NASA had been tasked with investigating if the Toyota "drive-by-wire" computer code was at fault in the 'jammed accelerator' cases in the USA (why these things only happen in USA?). NASA reported that Toyota's DBW computer code was faultless and the the fault, if any, would have been of a mechanical nature; such as the accelerator cable (the part that goes to the BBW unit) or that a car floor mat accessory had jammed the accelerator pedal.

Toyotas are very good,but are also bland and boring,Hondas have far more personality.

IMHO Toyotas are on a par with Mazdas,and Hondas are slightly up the ladder,more on a par with Volkswagens...

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Originally Posted by antony

Toyotas are very good,but are also bland and boring,Hondas have far more personality.

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Even Honda boring now..... but the money is in the boring.
Toyota knows they're boring, hence the FT-86 project! I'll be getting one if they are 1/2 decent.

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Originally Posted by Type R Positive

Even Honda boring now..... but the money is in the boring.
Toyota knows they're boring, hence the FT-86 project! I'll be getting one if they are 1/2 decent.

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True.Honda don't have anything exciting in their current lineup of cars.Volume is where the money is and boring cars are the product of this.The masses don't like anything a bit different.