It's a 15 min job for a mechanic lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TRaNz
It's a 15 min job for a mechanic lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TRaNz
yeah but i dont want to get my hands dirty.
One of the pics u upped/hotlinked doesnt work =[
Do you think it's a conspiracy on Honda's part to not mention the Automatic Transmission Filter or fluid change?
Or do they think cu2/cl9 owners wouldn't keep their cars past 120,000kms?
Or have plans to avoid lawsuits about failed transmissions?
Pic fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaNz
I'd have no clue, it's like a $30 dollar part, I can't for the life of me figure out why they'd leave that out of servicing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasemas
Then again, I can't understand why the ATF change interval was 60-100k km either.
I mean srsly, Honda is already the most expansive Japanese car to service, does it kill them to throw in another part and a fluid change in there?
Edit:
This is what someone's filter look like after he cut it open.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/d...o/IMG_0312.jpg
Tis quite a dirty filter - at least its doing its job
How many kms on it?
You'd think Honda would make a bit more dough by going "oh hey you need an ATF fluid change and filter change for an extra $250 on top of your minor $250 service"
To the un suspecting stereotype rich snobby man in his late 30s (no offence to these people who take care of their cars) he'll just pay the cash and wont suspect anything
The above scenario would also work with the same man but not mentioning the life/status of his Transmission...
I watch who are at the dealerships about to buy a new Honda. I think to myself - should i run in their and explain to them one of Honda's many faults in their cars nowwadays?
Because 99% they are clueless about cars
Sorry /end rant
This is where I it the pic:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasemas
http://www.tsxclub.com/forums/1st-ge...ion-fluid.html
Well I didn't start research and really "know" my euro till I had it for 7 years.
And I paid a lot of "tuition" fees to honda dealers over this period.
I guess some people just don't care.
Btw can you repost this on ozaccord? Just so more people know and hopefully prevent more $$$$ tranny work.
Good old Honda Dealers 'Tuition' fees - the main thing is you did something about it and now you service your own carQuote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
And know it inside and out - like an old friend
I guess i'm lucky in that department that i had an uncle who knew a thing about cars and helped me on my way to fixing my car
In a weird way im kinda glad i got a 'lemon' of a car
Almost everything that is wrong with the car i have diagnosed/repaired - adding to my knowledge of cars
Shall post the tsxclub link
Surprisingly there are not many Euro's on OzAccord... Mainly cd5's lol
Why don't you join up?
Fred: is it the red or yellow spot on that photo? I'd like to do this myself but it looks a little more complex than ATF flushes
The yellow bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Softcox
Different brand of car (Holden), but one day I was asking about the volume required to replace the ATF in my wife's Astra at the service counter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
Me: How many litres do I need for a drain and fill on the 2002 Astra auto transmission?
Service person: You are not supposed to change it, it is filled for life and does not need replacement.
Me: *Didn't believe a word he was saying, it has a damn ATF dip stick, so it will need replacement*
Me: I understand, but do you sell it and how much is it?
Service person: Of course we do, it's $xx per litre and you need 2 litres of it.
Me: Do you have it in stock?
Service person: Yup. *goes out to the back and brings the 2 bottles out*
Me: I thought it was meant to be "filled for life"?
Service person: ......
Never trust the service intervals nor the dealer if it does not make sense...... Common sense prevails.
Aaron, what are your thoughts on this changing transmission filter business. Should i be bothered doing it or turn a blind eye? LOL
If it is accessible, change it! I thought it was inside the transmission casing like the older CD accords but I was wrong. So change yours when you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaNz
Just wanted to say thanks for this thread it has been most helpful, I just recently acquired a 2004 euro (first car =D) and will be doing this as soon as I get the necessary parts.
I change my ATF fluid every 2nd engine oil change without fail.Doesnt cost that much either so why risk it.
JackQuote:
Originally Posted by spring
Jack stands
3/8 Racthet
3/8 breaker bar
Honda ATF DW 1 - 4litres
While youre at it. Do an oil change
And some confiedence
Set you back about $200+
Dealer would charge quite a bit more
Dont put it off man, get it done asap, car is already 8 y.o and the fluid prolly hasnt been changed
Thanks, I definitely will not put off, I'm not going to drive the car until I change it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasemas
I think I will put in redline D4 ATF instead of DW 1, from what I have been reading it seems to be a much better choice, I just don't know if I should install a magnefine filter or just get a new OEM filter.
OEM should be fine. tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by spring
Anyone here actually done the ATF filter change themelves? Easy or not?
edit: I read this thread on driveaccord and it seems like getting the hoses on and off is a bitch but it's a pretty simple job
If i were you i'd go oem for ATF but what ever floats your boatQuote:
Originally Posted by spring
As for filter go for OEM
As your Transmisison drain bolt is also a magnet
I swear when you take out the bolt its like a hairy black porcupine/echidna - i got freaked out
For the last 5 services ive always had the transmission fluid changed, bcoz i didnt want the jerkyness coming back wen driving in school zones. But when i take the bolt off i and watch the fluid drain, i expect to see some bits n peices floating around....but i dont see any...not evem in the bolt. Its like clean....TBH...i feel kinda left out. =[ Its like im doing something wrong...LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Jasemas
Because you have done 5 changes in such a short time span (2.5 years I'm guessing?) all of ATF has been replaced and only the clean stuff is left in there. From now, I'd replace ATF once every 2 years but do change the ATF filter at the next one.Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaNz
I guess it means your transmission isnt overheating and ripping itself to shreads *touch wood*Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaNz
Good work on the preventative maintenance
Would using mobil 1 full syn ATF be ok to use or should I just spend the extra few bucks and get dw1?
Im using redline, and a few people here used Amsoil, i dont think anyone on this forum has experience with M1 yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by rom5
guess it's about whether you're willing to be the first.
So like every 2nd service rather than each service? is that a cost issue or so i get to see some bits n pieces so i dont feel left out? =PQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
hahaha, pity that it whines.....damm torque converter....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasemas
My local Honda dealer wanted $58 for the oem filter.
fk that order form USQuote:
Originally Posted by spring
$58 ugh. Anyone want to order from US and split shipping cost?
I reckon just order a magnefine filter, that's what I did.
Purely cost. if you don't mind the additional cost, then you can keep doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TRaNz
Im thinking we should draw up an alternative servicing schedule for the Euro's, jsut for the benefits of the owners
Do the filter and fluid change once every year?
i think that would be excessive,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasemas
Im thinking ATF every 2nd year, filter every 4th year
Where did you order it from and how much?Quote:
Originally Posted by spring
Ebay, for I believe $38, you could probably source it cheaper but I just went straight to ebay cbf looking around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Softcox
have any of you guys considered using an additive called Lubeguard ? I have used it before and swear by the stuff in auto transmissions. At one stage SAAB suggested it in order to cure some of there transmission issues.
I don't sell or have any affiliation with this product btw, just throwing it out there, do some research before using.
No amount of lubeguard or lucasoil
Will magically fix a failing transmission
From the day the car left showroom the transmission has been slowly 'ripping' itself to pieces
By doing regular maintenance on the transmission i.e fluid changes, not bunny hopping or shifting into P or D while moving
You can prevent major headaches in the long term
But if you havent been looking after it and hope the 'power of dreams' will save your car... Then im afraid your transmission is no longer for this world
And when it goes out... It goes with a bang
Totally agree with you, I was suggesting using it as an additive when you do go to change the fluid. I don't believe any fluid will last the life of the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasemas
Sorry if you took it the wrong way, meant no malice :)Quote:
Originally Posted by VTECACCORD
But i see your point and of course as everything in life - its a gamble hahah
Speaking about tranny goes bang
http://www.mdxers.org/forums/14-prob...problem-2.html
Thanks for the helpful replies, especially as to the position of the filter which I checked out on mine.
Cheers
I have 2x 3/8 sized Magnefine filters coming in from the USA for $35 shipped.Quote:
Originally Posted by spring
Will let you know how they go.
care to share where you bought them from?
eBay, just type in magnefineQuote:
Originally Posted by sensei_
What's the direction of flow on the lines? For that price looks like I'll be getting one of those installed ASAP
I received my filter today, I'm yet to install it though waiting on my ATF to come in, but it looks like it would be a quick 10 minute job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
guess we'll find out soon enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by spring
I've took my CL9 to my schedule service and ask about changing the AT filter, but they say it is internal of the transmission (they wrote it in the service statement sheet as well) and it will be a lot of work to take it apart to change it.
Read the whole thread please.Quote:
Originally Posted by rambohung
also:
1. read this (again, the whole thread): http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14699
2. ask them what is part number 25430-PLR-003 (retorical, it's a damn transmission filter)
3. ask them what is that thing in the yellow circle. http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Misc/I4AT.jpg
Unless your car is under warranty
Service your car somehwere else besides the dealership as they just talk bullshit
Only bring your car there if you cannot diagnose an ECM fault
Just some feedback after using the Redline D4 ATF for about 3 weeks
the shifts are definitely firmer and quicker, I suspect it's from the friction modifier content differences (ie: this would have less).
Otherwise the car seems to be a bit quieter, but that could be the combination of Redline racing engine oil and this tho.
Also my tranny filter had arrived today, i'll have that installed along with the pulley soon.
I'm thinking of trying this in my cu2 but don't want issues with warranty and incase something goes wrong
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
Get ATF-DW1 in that case, it should be an improvement regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by 08r3308
Mines out of warranty So i don't care so much.
If it's under warranty
Dealership won't touch your transmission til its 120,xxxkms
You could 'risk' it and change it yourself - that's what i would do
And do the filter
If done correctly you'll be saving big $$$ in the long run
*touch wood*
All ready on dw1 but I did notice being bit notch compared to old fluid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
im almost certain the new fluid has less friction modifiers to reduce the wear and tear when it's changing gears.Quote:
Originally Posted by 08r3308
i done drain and fill 3 x now on dw1Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
maybe it needs few more :)
any updates on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
i want to give this shot as well on my next service
Getting it done this week.Quote:
Originally Posted by kryptonite
I can see where it is its just the matter of getting the time.
*UPDATE*
Finally got the new filter installed.
Will cut the OEM one open sometime this week to see just how muh gunk is inside.
good stuff Fredoops.
waiting on my stuff to arrive along with other bits.
my car is falling apart....
Mines an 2003 as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by kryptonite
I feel you bro lol
I seen cu2 has filter as well, anyone know the part number?
It should be the same as CL9, you know what, grab the cl9 part number for the filter and just call up honda parts and ask if that's the right part for a cu2Quote:
Originally Posted by 08r3308
uPDaTe:
The Magnefine filter is in!
How many litres does the CU2 auto transmission hold?
Around 9.Quote:
Originally Posted by GT1
But you only get about 3 out of each drain because of the torque converter and clutch pack holding oils back.
Thanks Fredoops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
Do you know the exact official amount that Honda quotes? I've lost my owners manual.
The automatic tranny holds a total of 6.2 litres of fluid from dry.
Thanks BigBen.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBen
Just changed the automatic transmission fluid at 20k and it was really dark red almost black. A little smelly but not burnt smell which is good.
Lots of metal attached to the magnet thou.
I did 3 x drain and fill and now the transmission shifts nice and smooth again.
Total cost $174.00 for 12 litres of Honda DW1.
Guys can you tell me where to buy geniune Honda DW1 ATF aside from Honda dealer?
Appreciate your reply
Honda dealer or honda dealer online.Quote:
Originally Posted by ocinivek
That's it.
If you're in Sydney you can purchase them from Mekong Auto Spares in Canley Vale. The good thing with them is that they always have stock and are open 7 days a week everyday till late 6pm on Sundays. Prices are very close to trade prices.
Thanks fredoops! More powerQuote:
Originally Posted by Fredoops
Do they have website? Im in QLD at the moment. I will also try Honda dealer as per fredoops suggestion if time permitsQuote:
Originally Posted by BigBen
Mine came to about $65 for a 4L container from the Honda dealer for the DW1.
Only drained and refilled once so far and noticed that the shifts are significantly smoother! Now to get some more dosh and do it another two times :P
I managed to get my transmission oil change (3x3) finally. But I'm worrying now as I gave my car to a friend last week to fix driver side power window and he's gone an extra step of putting in some Nulon ATF treatment that he swear by. He even put that in his own car (another brand/make), but I'm so worry if that conditioner will actually badly affect the transmission oil or the seal.
I did a little research and found out the flash point of Honda ATF DW1 is about 30-40 Celsius degree higher than the Nulon stuff.
Has anyone try the Nulon treatment before?
All that treatment stuff will do is make it 'shift smoother'
And IF there is a problem with your transmission it will just 'mask the problem'
If you're worried about it
Tell your friend to not mess with your car and get him to pay for another 3 ATF changes
They are usually plain friction modifiers.
Won't do much.
Is anyone kind enough to give a few pointers on how to replace the transmission filter? I've found a guide here: http://www.driveaccord.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=41286
But it is very vague to say the least. A bit of help from this forum would be appreciated.