Please refer back to this video:-Quote:
Originally Posted by l__i__l
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=czuUdyVhf0A
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Please refer back to this video:-Quote:
Originally Posted by l__i__l
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=czuUdyVhf0A
video is flawed caused audm and jdm dc2r/dc5r are different
Audm dc5r = 147kw 11:1 comp k20a2
jdm dc5r = 166kw 11:7 comp k20a,+ aggresive cams,+ brembos
DC2R because of double wishbone front suspension is better than the bullshit macpherson struts in the DC5R. It's not an Toyota so no idea why honda even put there in the first place.
Because Honda very obviously stopped giving a shit about building drivers cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
Or because building 'drivers cars' isn't a viable option for them. The motor industry is driven by sales, not necessarily by how good a car is. Sales for all of hondas sports models were dwindling, plus some of their engines failed to meet the euro emissions standards and had to be scrapped. Not because the CEO woke up one day and decided "let's just get rid of all the sports models". The double wishbone suspension was removed because it was too expensive for mass production in the dc5. It got an LSD though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indie
Yes the days of factory fast Hondas have gone,the latest R Civics have a torsion beam rear suspension ala VW and even they don't use them anymore.Did I read somewhere that the torsion beam rear allows more boot space.There's the answer.
LOL it always amazes me with honda drivers....they defend their cars like their family's honour is at stake...
i bet if somebody owned a honda horse and carriage he'll be on here defending how its > than dc2r/dc5r from it's light weight and uber horse
im not ashamed to admit it....but at the end of the day dc2r chassis was the best fwd ever made...it was so good honda never got out what they put into it.
honda had to compromise with the dc5r chassis and beefed up the engine instead...they nearly pulled it off....but in the end its still 0.5-1 sec slower.
this is why today dc2r chassis + k series = beast - the real dc5r...add FI and u have a monster!
....a monster with inferior suspension geometry. amaright?
I used to own a dc5r and the only thing i liked about it over the dc2r is the nice modern interior and its a little more roomy also. And the k series engine (even though its watered down) and g/b.
Like l_i_l said, put that k20 (or k24) in a dc2r and you've got an extremely enjoyable and potent front wheel drive honda!
edit- are we still talking about the audm dc5r here? lol
let me rewrite that
dc2r + kseries= beast - the real dc5r that was not meant to be
dc2r + k series + FI = monster!
understood+ agree'dQuote:
Originally Posted by l__i__l
dc2r + k series+ supercharger=
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/...ad91/hc6hC.gif
Building drivers cars is still a viable option for Nissan, who have the GT-R and 370Z, only sacrificing the Silvia, but bringing in the G35. The Germans have AMGs, Ms and Ss for almost every model. Subaru and Mitsubishi still produce their rally machines, if somewhat more demure versions, not to mention the BRZ, which even Toyota are getting back in the game with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuci
How many new Civics do you see that are tuned/riced like an EG/K? None. Because nobody wants to tune a bulbous, non-sporty hatchback, when there are so many far-superior options. Honda is dead, and I'm getting out and returning to Nissan.
@ double wishbone suspension...Amen to that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
Nuci: i was talking about power to weight ratio....
Haha guys, having double wishbone suspension is not that important. A properly tuned torsion beam or strut setup can be just as good, or almost as good. Take for example the Renault Clio Sport. These rock a torsion beam rear end and yet they handle like nothing else. A Porsche Cayman has struts, and whilst being mid engined helps, it has amazing handling. I have driven both these cars and own a dc2r.
I'm not entirely sure how there is even an argument over which out of the dc2r or dc5r is better for track, stock for stock. Surely both sides can acknowledge the dc2r is more track orientated from the factory?
All those examples you've mentioned will be ten times better if they had double wishbone sussy all round.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhys.l
Indie: yeah sure, Honda doesn't make sports cars like they use to, and the proper ones they make (FD2R) never made it here. Simply put Honda needs to stay afloat making bread and butter cars....but **** I'd take the current Civic over any shitty Corolla any day of the week. Hondas are still pretty awesome to drive compared to their counter parts like Mazda, Subaru and even Mitsubishi. Accord Euro or Camry/Magna/6/Liberty? I rest my case.
Sorry mate, but that is just simply not true, at least imo. The advantages of double wishbone are MINIMAL.
There may be a slight improvement if it is tuned optimally. But seriously we are talking about such a small fraction of what makes a sports car. There are other, much much more important factors
Can you please list out the pros and cons of double wishbone suspension vs other types?Quote:
Originally Posted by rhys.l
No I won't because that's not what this thread is about. Anyone can do an internet search and find out for themselves. In essence DW is a more tuneable setup and is capable of allowing, for example, increase in negative camber throughout the wheel travel (which MS can't). But to state a car would be 10x better just because it has DW is simply ridiculous. There are many factors which control how well a car handles and grips (including how a suspension setup is tuned), and having a DW suspension setup may just be part of the puzzle.
Anyway, continue on everyone else
I'd take a Liberty GT over any equivalent Accord Euro. Oh wait, there isn't one. And they haven't made the Magna for years, by the way. I notice you're not even mentioning Falcon or Commodore. Just far too many flaws and irrelevancies in the paragraph to address, so yes, by all means buy the current Civic, and I will buy a Volkswagen Golf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glocker
dude you obviously don't like hondas haha, what are you doing here?
Hes trolling lol, and indie stop doing proper punctuation and grammer its fukn pissing me off!!!
Op, get a dc2r :)
Oh yeah, haha. Sorry, I forgot that trolls ar ment too talk liek dis. Can't bring myself to do it, unfortunately!Quote:
Originally Posted by dc2r-0636
Eh, Honda make good cars. But honestly, the ricers and wannabe Sennas try to make them something they're not. For instance, turning a Type S into a 'race car'. It is not a race car, and it never will be.
Dude he already said its Production class so regardless of everyones personal fave and what can be modded etc. any of the choices will be suitable
Just because they dont fit your view of a race car makes no difference.
examples
http://news.driverdb.com/wp-content/...e2-300x199.jpg
http://www.speedcafe.com.au/wp-conte...AM-344x224.png
http://www.ausmotive.com/images/Osbo...-Mazda-01s.jpg
Oh yuck. I should report that post as offensive. Please don't do that again.Quote:
Originally Posted by EKVTIR-T
lol a "race" car is whatever someone decides to build for racing. doesn't have to be within a certain taste.
We all know that Indie is an 'expert' when it comes to racing and race cars in general.
In all honesty, he's probably never even seen a race car
Those who can't do, become critics.
Didn't you know bedroom racers can be experts??Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoonS
A uncle was an Australian Speedcar and Sprintcar champion. My family have owned Aston Martin DB2s, MGs, Mini Coopers, Triumphs, Jaguars, Mercedes, Maseratis, everything. I have lapped Calder in the passenger seat of a car driven by Peter Brock. I have seen The Fast and the Furious at least thirty times.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoonS
I have never claimed to be an excellent driver, or mechanic, but I know more about cars than most of the ricers in this place, and certainly enough to be allowed an opinion.
If somebody wishes to race with a Vauxhall Astra, so be it, but there's no style in that. Racing is about the spectacle.
lol and you call speedcars a race cars? As you said racing is about the spectacle, and speedcars/sprint cars are a piece of crap. I'll rather watch cow racing then that.
If i listed what my family owned i would know 100x what you know about racing.
So any car can be a race car.
Nothing you just said was coherent. You're not smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoonS
This man speaks the truth!Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoonS
time to make a lounge thread guys, lol
Sure thing LOL, cause most ppl here generally seem to miss the point of OPQuote:
Originally Posted by Super-DA9
But any who, more fuel to the fire, production based series = entry level motorsport. Without it, Fia GT3, GT1, DTM, V8 super cars etc etc wouldnt exist....
sprint cars are one form of racing, yay, but a minority racing category compared to production based series
Hi All,
Sorry to disappoint the skeptics but I purchased a Type S to use as a race car. I read through all the threads and took in everyone's advice. At the end of the day the car will be fully stripped so all the dead weight will be removed.
For those who want to know, my previous RWD race car was an Improved Production Datsun 1200 Coupe.
Also, if anyone is interested in buying Type S Leather Seats please PM me.
Thanks to all for your advice.
Nice going
Love the 1200s,got any pics?
Best of luck with the racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by applestypes
Sorry to hear you're no longer racing the 1200, what a sweet car, but as you've said, it's time to move on to something different.
Facelift looks better anyway . Because good looking race car !.
All the best with your new aquisition, this thread got off the track a bit,but I'm glad you read it.I hope you post up a build thread,it will be good to see what others are doing on the race tracks.
good work man, i have the typeS seats lying outside my room collecting dust too haha. End of the day if you a building a race car, in goes clutch type LSD, racing seats and all you are left with between a typeR and S DC5 is different gearing and a slightly better head in the K20Z1. How far along with the build are you and what are your goals with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by applestypes
Hi stevanbonic. I am only at the build stage. I thought I had a DC5 race shell but I missed out. I keep the forum posted on how the build is going.
Does anybody know who does the best roll cage at a reasonable price?
No idea, but add your location to your profile so people can suggest places local to you. There have been a handful of race DC5 shells done on this forum, including SpoonS who posted above so I am sure someone can point you in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by applestypes
that wouldnt be the BYP yellow DC5 shell? If you are serious about building a DC5 then you best take a visit to ClubITR for more relevant input and knowledge :)Quote:
Originally Posted by applestypes
Sorry. I am in SydneyQuote:
Originally Posted by applestypes
What is reasonable to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by applestypes
If you want the best, then its Bonds
Hey buddy, glad to see you want a Honda to race, I dont blame youi as they are a great car to race. I can speak from experiance when talking FWD 1990 LS integra. I still have my racecar and won the 2000 and 2001 Improved production state championships. Having built my b18A/ Vtech back in 1999 the engine lasted a good 10 years when built well. It use to get around Phillip Island in 1:51. Im now building a B20/Vtec and i expect that to last at least 6 years. The Gen 2 Integra has an extreamly low drag coeficiency and can be made to strip down to 960kgs without much effort. Dont be swayed to go RWD, a good FWD will give most RWD cars a good run for their money. I know from experiance ! Just look at your buget and go with what you like. If you want the best engine builder I know a guy. I also know who not to use and that is a guy by the name of Andy. He use to run a place called AK Automotive. Andy is a great guy but cannot build a race engine. He built me one, charged me $10'000 and the thing lasted one weekend.
If you want to see my car look at TOVA and type in Black Beast. Or just google it.
All the best Gary
can you please elaborate why Bonds is the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpoonS
Got any links to your car?Quote:
Originally Posted by gbpracing
Its because they are one of the people that build cages to set requirements and dont put random bars in just because they think its better. They are also one of the few in sydney that can build FIA approved cages, and its not easy to be qualified to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mocchi
Take a look at my cage.
http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/a...a/DSC_0063.jpg
http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/a...a/DSC_0067.jpg
http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/a...a/DSC_0065.jpg
http://i934.photobucket.com/albums/a...a/DSC_0064.jpg
lulz here.....Quote:
Originally Posted by gbpracing
Back yarders ftw.....