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one thing i did with mine was,
got a tune from a guy from the usa.
i would data log a bunch of runs down the highway at different boost levels and he would make adjustments then i would go out again after i upload the changes then send him another datalog.
worked out well and couldnt have been done without a wideband :)
Ya see, that kinda functionality makes a WB/O2 totally necessary imo...
A street tune isn't done in a day, maybe not even a week.
It can, perhaps even should take months....
And out erl give the performance tune guy a much better foundation to work from...
All wroth while if you ask me. And st what real cost. Maybe a new O2 now and then (if ever)
Really??
Anyhow, my LC1 is fitted now. Start street tuning tomorrow....
Life is good.....!
Nice Steve ... Owe me a drive mate ! And yes I have my wide band permenantly installed. I datalogg it to the ecu but run in open loop so the ecu doesn't reference to the af values. I like to obtain as much info from my engine as possibly. Also as mic explained earlier it's handy doing datalogg recording and sending to other tuners that may be in a different country or state.. And that's where the af values come in really handy !
Good luck mate I'm sure you will have a big smile on your face when you have your tune finished
Ok,.life want meant to be easy.
The wide band sensor is damaged, so I need a new one. Hmmmmmm...
And the ecu doesn't wasn't to data log.
I can modify the tune all I want. But without being able to data log, thats all but useless....
This is a major set back. And I'm not sure what I'm going to do as yet.....
But I'll come up with something.... May just be the push towards Hondata that I needed....
just watch the laptop as you get someone else to drive. :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePacman
Yeh mate the innovate probes are not the best and prone to easy failure. Just make sure you replace it with a better unit... maybe a plx o2 probe
Do you have any back-up for your quote please? My innovate is/has worked floorless FYIQuote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
Just google mate and you will see countless stories & reviews of the innovate lc-1 being prone to failure usually due to high heat.... I too also have a innovate lc-1
The innovate LC1 has a Bosch probe.
They are prone to failure as they were designed to be installed further down the exhaust than most people put them.
Mine is just near the rear K frame, so mine should last just fine...
Another common reason for failure, is having the engine running without the sensor bring powered. So making sure the LC1 on the right circuit is also important....
i was running a inovative lc-1 on my jet ski. Had motec and quite a few other mods. and the fix for the bosch bung failure was to install a heat bung. ( looked like a spacer i guess) and this helped.with heat and also due to the ski running a wet exhaust. it did the trick i had it in the ski for two season without failure
Yeah, I'd imagine the place you had it installed in the ski wouldn't get much of an sure flow past out around it... So the "bung" would be a good idea in that application.
(I used to build boats, and love all kind of water craft.)
I doubt I'll need the "bung" in mine. It's fired in a downturn location (right b4 the cat) and it gets plenty of sure flow.
Even after being run, I can assure you, that part of the exhaust will be well below the 800degree operating temp of the sensor.....
Well, a mate and I did our best to give the car a street tune over the weekend, but we never got any real progress happening.
In fact, I went backwards....
I'm so used to coming back after a weekend saying "progress was slower than expected, but I'm happy with what I got done!"
But not this time I'm afraid.
The wide band O2 sensor failed. Probably my fault.
The power connection was dodgy, and apparently one of the worst things you can do is run your motor without power to the sensor.
Also, the ECU refused to data log.
I'm pulling the ECU this week to go over it and check that everything is connected properly.
And I've ordered a new O2 sensor from the states...
This is a setback, I'll get there though.....
Well, no prizes for guessing who caved in....!
Today I put down a deposit on a P72 OBD1 ECU with a Hondata S300...
New wide band O2 sensor arrived today....
I'll have it in by the weekend....
Not sure if I'll be able to get the S300 by next weekend. But I'm hopefull.
Hondata in possession.....
Hondata S300 fitted, accepting code, running and data logging.....
I'm a happy boy.....
badass bro
congrats :p sorry about the mixup with the ecu, but im glad its all worked out :D
No probs mate, won't have control of my IABs , and I'll have a little more work ahead of me when it comes to setting up boost by gear, but it's not impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by .k.
Still happier with this setup than I was with the Demon etc.
Can't wait to get her tuned now....!
Well, I got my hands on a reasonable base map.
It seems to be ruining fine, though it hunts idle quite badly. But then it will suddenly clean up and run perfect...
It's a little rich in general, but at lest it's safe for now.
byp boys coming to brissy to do some tunning get them to tune it
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePacman
i never knew you had itbs mate?
Did you mean IAB?
YES.... Yes I did...... (nOOb moment..... )Quote:
Originally Posted by Vvvtec
TypeO... post fixed..
haha :p
A few adjustments to my tune today. Much happier now.
I can drive ruthie that black cloud following me.... LOL
Aaaaaaaand?
How's she go!
Runs much better. Hoping to be able to get it dyno tuned next week.....!
I am considering getting her tuned ASAP.....
Options are....
101 Motorsport.....
Cost, $770. but they won't be able to fit me in till 4-6 weeks time....
High Power Racing.....
Cost, $660. They can fit me in next Thursday. This is the option which is most convenient for me....
999 Automotive.....
Cost, $880. But will do it for me for $660, (thats 4 hours with the tuner and dyno). They can fit me in TOMORROW or SATURDAY.
But I honestly won't have the money till next thursday...
Decisions decisions.....
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Enjoy the wild turkey mate
So heard hi power tuned must be hell fun to drive
I did, and will mate.
Not being much of a drinker, a 4 pack lasts me an entire weekend though. LOL
Well, the hondata its tuned, it has a nice safe tune which delivers a very usable 214.6fwhp.
Not huge numbers I know. But I'm very happy with it.
Keeping in mind that at this stage the motor has completely stock internals, with almost 250 000km on the clock.
It's making full boost (only 10lb mind you) before 3000rpm and it's within about 20hp of full power by 5000-5500rpm. Holding it through to about 7000rpm before doing off.
The biggest problem I have now is my old 2.5 inch exhaust. It is just suffocating the motor...
But for now, I'm very happy, and plan on just enjoying driving the car a while...
Credit and thanks where it's due.....
I'd like to thank Ivan and the guys down at high Power Racing. (Slacks creek Brisbane)
For looking after me with the tune.
He worked with me on my difficult schedule, and kept my engine safe for me.
Thanks guys....!!
Yes mate, it is...Quote:
Originally Posted by 89lude
I've only driven it for about 20 minutes so far, but I plan on fixing that this weekend.
But yes, it's awesome fun. Power delivery is early, with a good wide band.
It is what I'd hoped for. It's not a ridiculous bitch to drive, still very comfortable.
It's exactly how I wanted it....
(p.s. Where did you heart it was tuned at HPR...? LOL)
Dyno sheets time.....
Graph 1 shows power of course, but also air/fuel.... I know it's quite rich. But rich is safe....
And the power curve is quite good in my opinion, making over 200hp by 5000rpm, and holding that till after 7000...
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...an/Dynohp1.jpg
This shows power and torque....
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...an/Dynohp2.jpg
And this one shows power with boost.... Building 5lb by 3000rpm (very early) and full boost (10lb) by 4000rpm. I put this down to the liquid to air intercooler...
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...an/Dynohp3.jpg
All in all, I'm happy. But I think I've mentioned that already....
Well done mate.
Is your H22A still of standard compression?
I would have expected a heap more power from 10 PSI taking into account compression and that wild turbo manifold.
My Accord has the same amount of power when on low boost setting (9 PSI) at 9.1:1 (standard f22a) compression.. With only a log manifold.
Just seems strange, is all.
Maybe next mod would be a H2B conversion steve?
I'm going to have to get used to it a while first, before I make any decisions about what comes next....
well, thats not exactly true. Next is a larger turbo (28/76)) and a better exhaust.
The biggest reason my power curve didn't continue climbing from the 200 ish fwhp at 5000ish rpm was my old n/a 2.5 inch exhaust, complete with STOCK cat....
The turbo wanted to keep going, but the small exhaust was suffocating the motor.
Ivan said that if I got a new 3 inch exhaust, and a big cat, I could easily see another 20 or 30 fwhp....
It has been tempting me, but the car is great for now.....
your turbo is too small...
in your first post you said you didnt want to change the T28 rear housing bolt pattern so the biggest you could go is a GT3071R in the T28 housing.
i upgraded to this turbo from a GT2860RS (.64 rear) and picked up 22kwatw at 8PSI with no other changes although did lose up to 9kw between 3000-4000rpm running 2.5inch exhaust from the turbo, log manifold and makes 166kwatw now.
better off getting a new flange on there and go up to the T3 style turbos i reckon.
I'm limited with space with my manifold. Which I'm not willing to ditch.
But a 28/76 wil fit in fine, couple that with a 3 inch exhaust, and I'll make more power. But I'm not willing to loose my mid range.
Remember, this is a driver. I drive this car. It's smooth, fun and reliable as it is.... And for now, I'm loving it....
Thats "MR" H22 to you......!
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...an/Plates1.jpg
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...an/Plates2.jpg
Got a nice engine bay, but I am not a big fan of the exterior. But credit for the engine works.... Well done
so sneaky with the water to air :thumbsup:
Nice work man, I love it. Looks great and has the balls to walk the walk too.
Pics of CRX!?!??!
dont i repeat DO NOT put a 2876 on it you will make no more power Garrented ...!!! with more lag its a dog turbo terrible design T25 flange and small turbo coupled with a cropped down old GT30 design compressor wheel it is a special application turbo and not designed for power applications...... i am telling you so you dont make a terrible decision!!!
Turbo choice it staying the same T25 foot print should be as metioned a GT3071R or the new Garrett GTX3071 you can use the internal gate with both of these and should be what you are looking for in the larger turbine wheel as you can flow a lot more and will as you have with your exhaust choke it with the smaller .64 rear
once agian 2876 = EPIC FAIL .... if your tuner wants to put this turbo on pack up and find another tuner as fast as you can!
Thanks guy, I appreciate that my style doesn't apeal to everyone.
But I think it's a good example of what it is.
It's funny though, the"ricer" that it is, the less performance people expect out to have.
It's like, hiding right out in the open. In it's own way, it's still a sleeper....
As for the CRX...
I'm starting work on it soon. I'm doing it JDM style.
I have a body kit for it, but it is the wifes daily. And she would destroy a body kit in a week.
I have a B16 lined up for it. Should be an awesome little ride.
The wife credited it shortly after I got it on the road for her.
But I fixed it up. It has a white AUDM front end on it atm.
So it's ben nick named "The Panda...!"
I'll find a pic of it....
Thanks for the input. Honestly, so far, I'm happy with my setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by lookingforboost
If I change snails at all, I'll give that consideration...
Ok. So I'm still having a niggling problem with a miss.
The car runs perfectly at start up, (other than idling a little high. 2000rpm)
And runs fine once it's at operating temp. But after you've been driving fir about 30-40 min, it starts to develop a miss.
It's always at around the same spot in the rev range. (between 4500 and 5000 rpm) and only under load (more than about 60% throttle)
The car drives fine, and if you go easy on the throttle till your past 5500rpm, you can go WOT without a problem. But who wants to do that....?
It definatly feels like an ignition miss, and in fact, I regapped my spark plugs down to .75mm. And it made considerable difference.
It definatly cleaned it up some what. But it didn't quite fix it all together.
So, I'm waiting on Honda, to deliver me a brand new genuine dizzy cap, and rotor button. And I bought an MSD SS Blaster coil.
I'm hopeing that this will fix the problem, whilst allowing me to regap my plugs back to around 1.2mm.
I just hope this is the issue.....
gap plugs to .8 all the time
why is the idle set so high as well? it should idle fine at stock RPM set point?
Also check your icm its common for the miss to happen once car is warm to develop a miss as these fail quite often
dont think B series box fits into a prelude chassis, the amount of work that would be required, custom link, mounts. The set up doesnt exist for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
he's problem is the turbo is way too small for the motor, turbo honda's like big rear housings.
he's gears isn't the problem either, longer gears is suppose to be better for turbo, and even if he wanted shorter gears, a mFactory 4.6 FD would be better option than your opinion.
Yeah, No need for a diferent box. the stock ratios are fine for a turbo motor.Quote:
Originally Posted by defect
I don't thing the turbine is too small for the H22. notconsidering i'm not chasing over 200kw at any stage. it's a t28 with an A/R of .86. just gotta fix the exhaust..
nOOb time for me.... icm....??Quote:
Originally Posted by MRJDM
Ignition Control Module
http://autorepair.about.com/library/a/1e/bl446e.htm
Entire new dizzy went in today..... Problem still exists....!
its not lean is it?
do you have the o2 sensor hooked up??
No, it's not lean. Not according to the sure fuel gauge, or the datalog...
Whats more, it's done it again. Started it saturday, it started for 1 second, then cut out. Now won't start again.
I'm assuming that it's done the ignition module again.
Kinda frustrated....!
I know it has nothing to do with the turbo setup.
But here is todays effort....
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...cman/Forz1.jpg
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...cman/Forz2.jpg
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...cman/Forz3.jpg
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...cman/Forz4.jpg
Exhaust.....
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...acman/Exh1.jpghttp://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...acman/Exh2.jpg
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...acman/Exh3.jpghttp://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...acman/Exh4.jpg
This pic shows the new mufflers. they still had the the reducers in at this point. Which I have since taken out, for audable orgasms...
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...acman/Exh5.jpg
Big "THANKS A HEAP" to Simon from Exhotic Exhausts. First class service and first class work....
I'm very impressed...... Very HAPPY.....!!!!
Also, I'm about to throw a GT28r on instead of the 28/25...
Here is a pic of the compressors for comparison....
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...an/2turbos.jpg
This is also a garrett ball bearing turbo as most will already know. so this should go in well....
lookin good steve, i see your enjoying holidays
Dramas Dramas Dramas.
End result is, I've bought a new turbo. I'll be fitting it tomorrow.
It's a Garrett GT28r with a .86 rear housing.
As pictured.....
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...an/gt2871r.jpg
Already picked up.....!
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...an/Gt2871m.jpg
Sweet !
Love the exhaust
I got mine done there ! I love Simons stainless steel work
The welds were awesome !
how much was that exhaust? gonna need a 3" setup pretty soon lol
I think mine was like 1000 or 1100. Full stainless 2.5"Quote:
Originally Posted by Vvvtec
It really depends on what you want, they do awesome custom work, go get a quote....
Ok, things just keep getting tighter and tighter in there......
This turbo only just fits, clearance on the mounting for the damper I'm using for the front mount is only a couple of mm, with only a mm or 2 clearance from the manifold runner. I couldn't possably fit a bigger turbo on this setup, if I tried.....
Here is a pic of the engine mount delete..... I had to delete the front mount to fit the bigger turbo in, so I replaced the mount with an NRG engine damper.....
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...cman/Emdel.jpg
Good thinking there,first time i have seen a torque damper replace a mount you sure it is up to the job?
looking good steve! shes gonna rip with that new turbo. Looks like a bitch for clearance down there !
I'm fairly sure the damper will be fine.
I've put the softest available bushes in it, to offer the softest front action..
Yeah Lyle, it's tight in there now. I've got litterally less than 2 or 3mm clearance all around the compressor on all edges...
It's ridiculously tight, but fits perfectly.....
All done, all working, all good.
Just need a tune now after these latest upgrades.
Pics.....
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...an/Gt28711.jpg
http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/t...an/Gt28712.jpg
The more observant amongst us will realise I have a mild steel hot pipe at the moment.
This is just a working template for the moment. I'll pop into Exotic exhausts during the week and get a stainless one made...
I'm surprised that radiator hose works at all. Looks so kinked with the heat wrap stuff around it but it's probably fine I'm sure...
Thats a cover over the rad hose, the rad hose is fine inside there, wouldn't have even thought about turning the key if I wasn't 100% certain.....
i think you should tuck your throttle cable steve !
What I think your looking at there dude is my cruise control....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexc86
My CB7 had an identical cruise control/wire position to your 'Lude.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePacman
And since boosting, i no longer had room to keep it where it was.
So i moved it up in the hole between the IM/Passenger Side Strut Tower/Fuel Filter.
Fits nicely, cable can be left the same length and follows the same path as the Throttle Cable (across the valve cover)
I had to whip up a neat little bracket that (In my case, atleast) welded to one of the Strut Brace brackets.. EZ!
Also had to extend a few vacuum lines and the wiring.. But it looks much neater in it's new location.
Perhaps something to think about if you've got some free time haha?
Free time. LMAO....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jccck
I work a minumum 60 hour wel guy. Averaged 72 hours a week, every wel for last financial year...
I'm lucky to to have got it this far.... LOL
Well, I'm now having boost creep issues, now that I have a bigger turbo.
AS soon as she hits Vtec, if I'm at WOT, the boost just soars through 14psi in seconds.
Even with the waste gate open, the boost keeps rising.
At the moment, with the recent modifications, I currently have no seperation inside the dump pipe between the backside of the exducer fan, and the outside of the waste gate. So I'm hoping a slight redesign of the dump pipe will fix this problem. By creating a larger seperation between the dump and waste gate, I hope to reduce the amount of exhaust gas pressure at the back of the waste gate. Which "should" fix the problem. Then perhaps I can get back to tuning it....
Have you got it re-tunned with the new larger turbo, or running on old tune still?