plus chip burner and chips guys. maybe a soldering iron, and misc parts.
damn i boughta wideband setup for 300usd shipped, and i thought that was a good deal.
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plus chip burner and chips guys. maybe a soldering iron, and misc parts.
damn i boughta wideband setup for 300usd shipped, and i thought that was a good deal.
obviously i have no idea, after all my car has only been running Uber for over a year now without issue and is coming up to 1 year boosted without issue. So i must obviously have no idea what i am doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
Evan, you certainly have more knowledge than i about the software, as you have been "in it" longer. But your attitude is ****ing ridiculous. Dont assume that everyone else knows nothing about what they are talking about and that you have more knowledge than all others about everything.
most dont want to use software that they are not familiar with...its their reputation on the line if the software does something they are not expecting. If they are willing to learn, most people arent willing to pay for the extra hours of work involved in the tuner becoming familiar enough with the software to be willing to tune.Quote:
The software is not rocket science, tuners can use it no problem. Most dyno operators are astute operators and have used more software than you have ever seen. Im sure they can adapt their skills to uberdata.
You cant simply walk in and say "here is some software you have never seen before, tune my car" and be out of there in an hour
the DIY tuner is generally aiming at a safe tune, not going for the most power. If you follow the rules of thumb then you WILL have a safe tune that is not detonating. Of course it is different if the aim is to get the most power possible out of the setup...if this was the aim then the tuner would not be going DIY and would use a commercial product and have it tuned by a respected tunerQuote:
As for DIY tuning, how does one know if theyre making more power purely from an a/f ratio tune?
Furthermore, how would one tune timing without a dyno? Even further, how would one know if the tuning changes make more power? or even further still, how does a DIY tuner know if the timing changes arent detonating?
I dont claim to be "the best", never have...i'm just sick of the attitude you display on these forums and the sometimes misleading information you post on here. An example of which is the $80 widebandQuote:
Answer these and you truely are the best, and I admit defeat.
Otherwise, crawl back under that rock you came from.
this i agree 100% with if the poster doesnt have an interest in DIYQuote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
does it go hard or what.. feel alot quicker???
Turned out really nice man ;)
How is everything going with the AFC? Idle fixed up yet?
As for ProECU, here are some prices..
Wideband 2E0 $514 (http://wbo2.com)
Conversion Harness US$85 (http://www.jkobd.com/index.htm)
New Ecu - $200-$300
Other Various parts $100
YES you dont 'need' the Wideband but each to their own mate
That FMIC certainly looks sweet behind your bar man :D
Yeah the car pulls hard Way quicker than before. I haven't really gone that hard yet, since i wanna wear it in and all. But in first gear, with boost, when vtec kicks in there's wheel spin it's sick. Car pulls very hard. I'll compare with some cars next week after i get it tunned. Idle is alright when car is still. But when driving you always need to keep the revs up or the car stalls.
http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/turbo/22.JPG
http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/turbo/23.JPG
http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/turbo/24.JPG
now all you need is some kick ass rubber....2 way diff and your set !
. Idle is alright when car is still. But when driving you always need to keep the revs up or the car stalls.
Do you think that this is due to the lightweight spoon clutch you installed? Or was it ok after the clutch/flywheel was installed?
its because the tune isnt right, or perhaps you have a vaccuum leak somewhere.
Do you have any boost/vag gauges installed?
Dont boost too much withough having the car tuned properly. It is very easy to cause damage when boosting, VERY QUICKLY!
Be cautious until such a time you get it tuned.
Good luck, and great setup!
yeah, i believe it's the 440 injectors being control by the VAFC that's causing the stalls. I have a boost/vac gauge and there doesn't seem to be a leak. Plus i have checked every vacumm line about 3492308 times. Will be getting it tunned on friday. So hard trying to take it easy.
you're running rich at part throttle, low & mid-loads. This will account for the problems you're having.
Tune your NA tables to 13, 13.5-1 a/f ratio with boost around the 12.5 - 12:1 a/f ratio.
Youe Idle tables up to 2500 rpm should be 14.7-1 a/f.
If you dont set your idle a/f to this, your idle might hunt under cold start conditions.
If you need anything, dont hesitate to ask some of the "other more knowledgeable" people in this thread.
POID: as for the misinformation i aparently post on this thread, I CHALLENGE you to find something misleading in ANY of my posts. It seems you're trying to discredit my reputation / knowledge, so I'd like to see you support those defamatory statements with supporting documentation, if you can.
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Originally Posted by LVNIT
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Originally Posted by poid
So you see, there was no mention of a Wideband Controller, just the "Wideband Oxygen Sensor" they are quite different in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProEU
Challenge still Stands.
Oh **** mate..
Your just being picky now over bullshit.
yeah perhaps I am, but I think I just illustrated something important.Quote:
Originally Posted by LVNIT
No, for someone such as yourself, I would think it was quite obvious what I was trying to say. Why dont you contribute to this thread instead of rushing in and stating the first thing that comes to your mind.
The Uberdata Software IS FREE, but to get it RUNNING which is what I said does cost money.
I was simply offering him another option..
LOL are you serious? How are you meant to use the sensor without the controller??
In your post you are implying that all you need is the $80 sensor, as the conversation was regarding Uberdata tuning. Obviously that is not the case
Please use some common sense
No Idea how thats meant to work, perhaps LVNIT can elaborate as he made the comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by poid
Anyway, its obvious I dont like you, so ill end it here before we all get banned.
Nipam football rules!!!!
and here i was thinking this was all about widebands... :wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
I only said what you were too gutless to say.
Actually, If I had said you have some personal agenda against me, that would have been more accurate. Who cares.
any updates?
i'm sick of this argument, i want to read about the turbo install. can you two take it to pm or better yet just forget it?
intercooler looks cool sitting there. i notice you didn't do much to hide it ha! nice one!
it`s nice and subtle.. not too obvious !
the way i like it..
Dont want to get into the argument, but maybe proECE can clarify, doesnt the end user also require chips and chip burner?
POID can answer your questions Andy. You two are buddies.
you've asked me this many times before, so I wonder where you're going with this question.
If you're genuinely curious, get with me on MSN and ill talk u through it.
no need, was just asking if they should be on ur list
Ahh what the heck, I'll probably get banned for this but who cares.
History:
POID & ANDY (pornstar) are mates who were in talks with me to re-sell proecu.
Talks fell through.
It appears these guys have gone other routes for engine management systems.
POID uses uberdata, Andy, who knows what he's using.
He paid someone a large amount of money to get a chipped ECU with crome.
He tested this, it was buggy. He also tested Uber: buggy also.
Andy: How many times since then have u asked me about proecu and technical ECU questions to which ive helped you to great lengths. You even asked me to chip ECU's for you. I educated you ass, and now both you and your buddy come here to discredit me? Thats right, dont offer any constructive points of help to barefootbonzai, but rather come here to push my buttons.
You guys are cowards who move behind peoples backs to seek information for personal gain. I guess this time, your efforts didnt work. Crome & Uber didnt prove to be all they're cracked up to be right?
What, no realtime support? Software crashes? Thats the start.
Buggy code, hestation issues under light load. Idle issues. I can go on.
People, dont be fooled by the arguments in this thread. This type of discussion has been going on for ages. Its a shame these people will argue over points to mask the real issue.
Personally, i'd never use someone for personal gain and then try stab them in the back, but I guess thats the type of people you are.
Say what you will in response. I know all this is TRUE and so do you both.
i dont get why ur so cut? i simply asked to clarify something, ive not edited anything scroll back and see...
as for what u've written, wanna say why talks fell thru? or as u always seem to think, ur version and opinion of everything is Final and the only right one....PERIOD. geez, who does that sound like?
Why dont u tell them that real truth? lol seriously u make me laugh.
to clarify, i dont and never wanted to sell ur ecu, the talks were to help distribute those ecus for u in melbourne.
remember tahts right, we dont make money we simply help honda owners get an affordable engine mgt system. but u do remember, me and poid laughed when u expected people to pay 1500+ for ur proecu. After all ur reasoning was that hondata was overpriced... yet it was the same as what u wanted to sell urs for...
wanna keep going?
Up until this post ProECU, your comments were debatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProECU
Obviously you've been taking poid's comments personally, and I urge you to stop, for the sake of other members who do not wish to read about yours or poid's talk-backs.
And what was the point of posting a "history"? There was no need for it. The other members surely didn't need to know a background to the history between the three of you.
I suggest you, poid and pornstar to take a chill pill and/or sort it out outisde of this forum, please!
If any of you, including you three (ProECU, poid or pornstar) disagree with what I have said, please, by all means, PM me. I'm always open to feedbacks.
Alternatively, you can take it up with wynode via PM or debate it over in Site Discussions.
barefootbonzai - Keep us updated dude. Good luck with everything.
-Jimmy
$1500 was for exclusive complete rights for Melb. Stop talking shit. Why dont you paint the whole picture? Hondata rights are worth over $4k.
The only reason you wanted it was to make a larger profit from your customers you greedy bastard, so dont give us the community sob story.
What you describe is EXACTLY re-selling.
Oh well, you dislike James of hondata too (you've told me this many times & I have the history to prove it), I begin to see a common theme here...
ToE: History is relevant. People here need to know what these clowns are up to. Why would Poid or pornstar disagree with your comments anyway, they were all directed towards me. Its not worthy of further debate, I agree, these guys stretch/bend the truth its obvious.
As to get back on topic, why doesnt POID come here and tell us exactly how much it cost him to get uberdata running, for sure not $1200, but hey, he wont admit to it after these discussions and make a lyer out of himself now would he?
So much love being passed around. Well my car is starting to make a funny noise which i haven't figured out yet. I think i've been pushing it too hard. Time to visit my machanic after work. I hope i haven't stuffed anything up yet. But the noise just started last nite when i was boosting around my local streets. Happens when i accelerate, even softly, quite worried. Is it possible for me to be getting detenation even at low rpm out of boost, like driving normally.
Ok, this post in Poid's behalf as work blocks access to OH
I am at work at the moment, so havent read everything in here. However i have read a few comments which require a response. I was just gonna leave it alone and let the author of this thread continue with his excellent progress reports, but meh
Firstly ProECU...Andy and I did enquire about using it and also reselling to others to tune cars. Wanna know why it never went through Evan? Because it was a ripoff!! You wanted $600 for the software and to add real-time to an ECU for us just to be able to test it. The parts for realtime cost $50 for v1, so v2 that your software uses would be similar. Just because that board isn’t publically released doesn’t mean you can make a crapload of cash from its design. And that was just for testing, not for resale of the product.
And hell, i dont believe you even authored ProECU! As far as i can tell, Doc in Austria is the author and also created the real-time boards that are used for both PGMFI editors and also the v2 board that is used with ProECU. You certainly did not create either board as you have had difficulties using it yourself. Notice I didn’t mention any of this before? Because I haven’t been trying to discredit you, as I don’t want to mess with anyone’s business no matter what I think of them personally.
Anyway, because of the cost, i did not go through with it, and also because it did not have secondary butterfly control which made it useless for the purposes of someone else that would have been using it. What i was after was a cheap solution which others would find easier than Uberdata or Crome and did not get it. We did not reach agreement, and that was the end of the story as far as I was concerned. Nothing further happened on my end. You had further discussions with Andy which I do not know the details about (even the $1500 amount posted in here is news to me). I thought that it all finished amicably, though i guess not!!
You posted that i then went on to use Uberdata...that is not the case. I was running it before even talking to you. So dont claim that you helped me in a great way, because you didnt. As for issues, well a number of people here have been in my car. It idles perfectly, the cold start is perfect and it runs well even if the tune is still a little rich, it just took some fiddling to get it there. As i posted above, i was more interested in getting a product for others in the ACT that would be cheap and easy to use, and your product was not suited to that.
As for the cost to get Uberdata running, luckily i kept track of my costs in a spreadsheet. So here it is:
Program: Free
ECU: $255
Wideband: $405 (which is about as cheap as they get)
Eprom burner: $310 (Batronix USB, purchased before the Moates was available)
ZIF socket, a few chips etc: $62
Total cost: $1,032
I also bought an OBD2->1 harness which was around $110, which would have pushed the cost to $1,142 if i was OBD2.
So i dont know what you meant by "for sure not $1200" but there you have it...so does this make me a liar now somehow?
I did not come into this thread with any intention of discrediting you, i posted because you called someone an asshat for saying that you could get Uberdata running for around $1200 (which was unwarranted, the guy did not deserve that at all as he was not posting something that was blatantly misleading or incorrect) and it exploded from there. I never once attacked you personally nor attacked your product (and I have not steered anyone away from your product), so why you felt the need to post much of the crap you have posted in here is beyond me.
Barefootbonzai, please accept my apologies for my part in all of this and keep us updated with the setup :)
toE EDIT - Edited font color
Ah, look, i'll drop it now, it really doesnt matter but let me just say 1 more thing.
you really do not know the history about ProECU so honestly you cant comment.
Both Doc & I developed this hand in hand, and the PGMFI realtime board is NOT the one in use here. Yes, the PGMFI version does not work. Doc & I worked to resolve the issues and we did. Ask Dyno dave, he saw it in action.
We're noy going to achieve anything here, so if it makes you happy, i'll take the first step to reconcilliation. I wouldnt want you getting into trouble at work for procrastinating on other tasks
I just re-read this and wanted to clarify a few things because you have them wrong
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Originally Posted by [Blitz]
The components are worth a LOT more than you think. Try getting some prices for a DS1230Y ram chip anywhere in AU. you'd be looking at almost $100 for the chip itself.
Accompanying this is the Programmable Logic chip, which are relatively cheap about $15 each, however you havent factored in the electronic programming device to write this chip. These are worth over $2k.
Then there is the board manufacture. Most companies dont do one-offs, maybe you've never had the need to research this, but board manufacture is not cheap, at least $500 for a sheet of boards A4 size to give you an idea.
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Originally Posted by [Blitz]
Fair enough, but I hope you realise the intrinsic worth of such an Item.
It's sickening that everyone wants something for nothing. You guys wanted me to supply an ECU+harness, Realtime Board & 3bar MAP sensor all for under $600.
Im not writing this to continue the argument, I want you guys to realise there is more too it that you're either not grasping, or are convieniently overlooking.
stop spammin barefootbonzai's thread dudes!!!
geez, start a new thread and name it accordingly!!
where are the moderators of this forum!??!?
unbelievable!
Well it's come to having to make an ultimatum. poid, pro-ecu and pornstar keep your replies related to barefootbonzai's thread and his turbo install. If you would like to argue your history/bring up any issues please do it via PM or make a new thread.
One more off topic reply by one of you 3 will result in a ban (for the person replying and for anyone else retaliating).
Now lets keep it related to the topic!
umm well before all the crap was posted up i read you looking at ideas for ECU ? i think. i forget who said microtech .. thats one of the ones that sprung to mind, good ecu. relatively cheap and reliable. im a bit of a autronic person though.. its because for some honda's it comes in plug and play ecu boards.. but its shit expensive so if you looking at that hope u got alot saved up =P.
in the end what u pay is what you get.. i saw someone posted up something about haltech..
Sorry, wyn, i initially posted because proECU ommited from the price the need to purchase a burner and chips. IE uberdata and other freewares do not work without the chip that you burn with ur map inside.
I decided to post a response because my PM box got attacked by proECU and when it was done here, I felt the need to respond. My apologies to people who were watching the home install.
To fill u in barefoot, the noise u hear could be anything, from a loose bolt to yes detonation. Detonation can happen at idle not just driving around below boost. From what I understand, you have no fuel management, and depending on where your locked timing is, this may be causing you to detonate underboost.
As for getting an ecu, If your good enough to do the turbo install etc, your good enough to use a freeware like uberdata. Hit me or poid up if you want a hand with it, its not hard.
Thanks for that pornstar. I got a little lazy and worried about my car now, plus i've already arrange for James (blkcrx) to tune my car with hondata. I was talking to him before, and he reckons it wouldn't be detonation. Got a feeling it's my oil return line getting clogged up cause it was a pretty bad job i did, cause i wanted it done so bad i used a short rubber tube cause no shops where open to buy a longer tube. When i think about it, it does sound like the turbo making the noise. Will have to check it out after work. I hope that's all it is, cause my eninge temp is normal, and theres no smoke for funny smells.
But will definitely hit you up if things change. Uberdata sound interesting.
what does the noise sound like? from where? under load?
Hey banzai...im having probs trying to find that turbo kit you have on your car on google....you wouldnt happen to have the website of the store you bought it off?
Its a drag turbo kit 10KRPM, go to www.dragkits.com as far as I know thats who he purchased it from ;)
Also try www.turbokits.com Send an email to Jesse if you have any queries about his kits listed :thumbsup:
Wise choice considering the options before you. James knows how to tune (he's done enough of them) and Hondata is a solid product.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
nice car dude....and mad turbokit...
wat kinda kw u putting down after the dyno tune??
is ur car done yet???
heard a story about u beating a s15?
True or false?
nice man! hey where did u get taht air intake pipe cause i want to put a podfilter on but all the pipes leave the pod filter too close to the engine so will take in heaps of warm air bbut ur one takes the pod filter all the way under the front grill which would b perfect!?
Yeah, my car is Done. I'm only running 6.5psi of boost. Making 122.5kw at the wheels. Yep I can beat a S15, it was stock though. I'm getting a bit of leaking from my maifold though, gonna have to take it out and put it in again, so annoying.
And the noise i was hearing was just a lose maifold. Just got another gasket and fixed it up. But it's happening again!!!!!! Gonna have to find some hard core sealant.
what ecu did you end up using?
Hondata from James. He did all the installation, tunning etc.
just out of curiousity how much did it end up costing ?
All up for this project around $9000. This includes custom 3" exhaust, clutch and flywheel, tunning, turbo setup. Another $1000 if you where to get someone to install the turbo kit. So if you don't have special contacts, and no experince have at least $10000 if you want to do it properly.
10 freakin G's!
whats the turbo hp rated at
huge investment ehh.. especially for the 122.5. but then again its the torque u want =P
It may only be 122.5 at the moment, but more power is so much easier to make with a turbo...Quote:
Originally Posted by wlee2
lol he knows that ;)
yeah... close to that mark for sure if u dun know contacts... or really.. around 5-6k if u know pplz
looking good.. i was mkaing the same kinda power at 8.5psi on my d-series ;) its ****en fun aint it!!! gw dude
hey bonzai.. what did u upgrade ur brakes to?
get much torque steer?
Thanks guys for the comments. Yeah, car is very fun to drive. It's best when you get guys looking down at your car thinking "it's just a civic", then some ass whooping there way. It's gold, worth every penny. Yeah there's pleanty more power to be unleashed, but i'm quite satisfied for the time being. Plus my pockets are in the negative amounts at the moment.
Brakes are still stock my friend. If $$ allows it, they will be upgraded one day.
You should be making more than that power at 6.5psi. Ill speak with James.
stock? even stock rotors? shit does it stop the car properly?
I told james that i wanted my car on the safe side of things. Wasn't hungry for some crazy power if it risked any damage to my engine.
fair enough, but theres still more in it.
Do you have a dyno sheet to post up here for running commentary?
I made 140kw at 6.5psi but thats an H23....
Not sure what to expect from the civic motor
show us the A/F's!!!!
Dyno Sheet As Requested.
http://www.users.tpg.com.au/duydang/turbo/dyno.jpg
very nice curve. turbo looks quite well suited.
They are nicely shaped dude! I like that torque curve!
show us the A/F's!
nice setup mate :) 10g's though dammmm lol.....
10k? OUch! Congrats though.
hahaha, i probably spent the same too.
Right now ur car is only making that power cos the turbo hasn't even reached its efficiency rate yet. Imagine if u doubled the boost!
mmm.... BOOST
yeah show us the AFR,
have you got it ???
Bad news guys, I just got out of hospital after totally my car 2 nites ago. Everyone says i'm lucky to be alive. Flipped it like 6 times in the air, my car is no more, and no insurance either. Will start a new tread with pics soon. Back to resting for me. And anything i recover will be up for sale, so help a brother out and buy some of my stuff. One very poor and upset brother. :(
WTF!!! are you serious!
if your serious what happened?
hope your alright man.
Yeah, Man. It all happened so fast. All I remeber is flipping, with my hands on my head to protect it. I think my brakes locked up and i went up the side of something and got air borne. I was knocked out, so don't remeber much. Will be talking to my mates later on to find out more. I"m feeling quited stuffed at the moment. But i got my head scanned serveral times, looks good. I should be ok, only thing i have to be happy about.
holy shit man, i am really sorry to hear that considering you just put so much money into your car and you didnt even have much time to enjoy it.
i wish you all the best with your recovery. glad to hear your gonna be alright.