hey bro cant wait till its finished good luck with it all
hope u get it back soon
cheers
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hey bro cant wait till its finished good luck with it all
hope u get it back soon
cheers
by the way guys at the end of the day i spent $4,800 on my kit and that didnt include the extras that qball is getting like brakes, clutch and exhaust so all in all he is spending the right money and getting the job done all at once wheras i was building it gradually on my b18b. Thats why it sounds like he's gettin ripped but ill be spendin the same amount of money in the longrun. Dont listen 2 em qball, See how u go and at the end of the day u got warranty. Just double check the warranty of the turbo alone because some places give 12mths on all parts and 3mths on the turbo alone.
oh yer and watch out for brick fences cos u dont want wat happened 2 my turbo teg lol
Cheers fellas! :D
thats ok, i know what its like 2 get pounded by these fellas on ere and many have no itea about turbo conversions. Most likely comes down 2 jealousy but shhhh we'll keep that between us ok lol
its all good dude.. ill make sure u get like 5 years warranty :P
Forcing your to beef up da sex drive :)
how long before your done Qball ?
Well the latest from the mechanic, the rest of the internals will take another couple days to come in then its pretty much it - so yeh, prob by weekend hopefully :)
what brand wastegate is that?
what work is being done on internals ??
sorry dude , hard to say but that is wat is known as an ss autochrome manifold, that is wat i used with my turbonetics t04e in my first integra turbo , i didnt break it but i will be replacing it , i recommend you do the same as they are cheap crap, as for making 200kw , i am process of doing more than that but on a fully built motor, the most youll make with that kit will be around the 140-150kw mark , but dont expect to much more, but nice goin so far looks good
lol were still goin with this shit.. hopefully there will be some pics up soon of the manifold in it build process and then maybe we can stop this stupid debate
-Aries Forged PistonsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozwolfbane
-New Rings
-Eagle Rods
-Metal Head gasket
-New Main Bearings
-New Big End Bearing
how much boost are u planning on running?
im sorry - did i hear u say kit??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugen boy
i dont remember me saying anything about a kit!!
the manifold on a SS kit is symmetric...
DOES THIS LOOK SYMMETRIC TO YOU?!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94...r/manifold.jpg
and for ur information...i am gettin a fully built engine!!!
the 1st custom manifold that they made for my car:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94...ldmanifold.jpg
they had to make the one in the post above cause the wastegate stuck out too far, also they couldnt fit the 3" dump pipe and air con all at the same time
more shots of the manifold/turbo/dump-pipe area:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94..._manifold2.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94...ifold_dump.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94...b_manifold.jpg
dump-pipe:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94.../dump_pipe.jpg
cooler (gettin bigger one):
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94...Car/cooler.jpg
should be able to run 25psi - not as me everyday tho - 8psi for that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GSI-PSI
run it on 9psi for everyday driving. Thats wat i had mine on.
hahaha okQuote:
Originally Posted by GSI-PSI
il keep that in mind
Something truly doesn’t add up here, I said it on page 2.. and ill say it again now. Remove that turbo and get it balanced. You will be lucky if the turbo lasts longer than 1 full throttle pull.
You also mention the only work to be done now is the internals ? well that so doesn’t make sense ? that is the 1st thing you do before installing a turbo kit ! you remove the engine, build it, and replaced it…. Why even start bolting things on if the engine has to be removed to install rods pistons etc,,,
Unless there going to try and replace the internals and leave the block in the car, and not hone it.. hmm (doogy)
Hmm as for the metal head gasket, all Honda b gaskets are 3 layer metal gaskets, make sure you replace also your water and oil pump, and whilst your head is off I hope your not reusing your head bolts, I hope you replace them with ARP head studs or fresh Honda head bolts….. also make sure you get slightly over sized pistons, and hone the block to suit other wise you will be burning oil like a tractor… I just can’t understand that internal work needs to be done, yet the engine is still in the car ! what the ?
As for ya parts list…. Something does’t add up either…….
*its not a turbo kit, everythin is pretty much custom
*turbo is t3 garret
*custom 3" exhaust mandrel bent
*custom dump pipe mandrel bent
*hybrid intercooler, cut to custom size
*custom manifold, went through 2 of em b4 they decided to take out me air con (my choice)
*microtech ecu, LT-8
*custom fuel rail 8x 450cc injectors
*metal head gasket still to come
*forged pistons, cylinders still to come
*BOV is in the pic above the pod
*ext wastegate is near manifold
The turbo you have is a XS power turbo, not a garret, not even close to a garret, like I said before you will be lucky if it lasts 1 full throttle shift before the intake wheel rubs against the housing… if the turbo makes boost your lucky ! very lucky.
With keeping your AC, there is no way you will have a 3” down pipe, infact the exhaust housing on your turbo is only 2.5”… my guess is your down pipe will be 2.5” flared to 3” once it pass’s the oil pan…if they have customly modified it… but no way true 3” would fit past the AC
Hybird cooler…. Don’t all hybrid coolers come stamped with hybrid on it ? wheres the stamp ? also get your mechanic to REINSTALL your fount bumper bar support bracket which looks like he has removed, the last thing you wanta do is have no support at the fount of the car.
The reason your manifold looks GOLD, is because it has been USED before, my guess over 1 hour, but less than 5 hours, as stainless manifolds go a gold colour within the first 5 hours of operation, after 5 hours they start to turn blue, but that manifold most defiantly isn’t new.. its had some long periods of exhaust gasses flown though it for sure.
The wastgate is a Tial COPY, and like its already be mentioned above, check the spring rate… these gates are ok… but do tend to boost spike a little…. Although iv tuned a good 10+ cars with these and they have held up kinda ok !
You wanta make sure your accelerate cable is Nowhere near the exhaust manifold like it is now, other wise it could melt and you might get stuck on full throttle, (trust me this has happened to many clients)
So far you have still your stock fuel rail and stock injectors on your car, if they said there going to install 8 injectors and a custom fuel rail, make sure they do this. Although I can’t see a point, why have 8 injectors just get 4 injectors that will suit the application at hand, you don’t need 8.
Also another thing iv noticed is there feeding the oil for the turbo from the side of the cylinder head, this is big no no ;-) not a steady supply of oil from here !! the oil feed should be t pieced from the back of the block from the oil pressure switch, not the head.
Also if there going to remove your cylinder head, when they replace the internals of your engine, make sure they pur a Honda VRS gasket kit on the head and bottom end, replacing all your gaskets…. From your pics it looks like your mechanic use’s way to much gasket sealant, as there large build ups of it everywhere, use a fresh gasket, not quick shift sealant crap, also whilst ya at it make sure all the bolts are locktied in with red locktite, I can’t see any signs of locktite being used in any of your pics.
Apart from that good luck, although whats got me also confused is the time frame he has had your car for, you said he’s had it for weeks ? and has just bolted on the few items in the photo ? what the ? unless you your self got confused and the internal work ie rods pistons etc and building the block is already done… anyway let use know how it all goes…
Regards James
the pics ive just posted, were taken yesterday.
the internals have not been done yet so thats y the engine is still in the engine bay.
gasket, cylinders, rods etc etc havent been installed.
reason y manifold is gold is cause they did have it up on the dyno b4 hand hence it has made a bit of run - from newcastle to maitland where to dyno guy is based.
wat u said in ya previous post about an unbalanced turbo did occur, so thats why the car is back and more work is being done to it. replacement is on the way.
as for injectors, they have since left the idea of havin 8 450cc - and are goin with 4 600cc ones instead.
theres no AC in my car now thats how they managed to fit a 3" dump pipe in. they tried fittin a 2.5" with AC but that wouldnt work either.
the front bad on the other hand isnt back on for good - its comin off agn in the near future as work progresses - meanin its there temporarily - not goin to b like that wen i get the car back.
as with the cylinders, head gaskets etc - i dun kno enough about that to make n e sorta comment...ill try n get more info - but i know for a fact that none of the internals have been done yet.
i meerly went n visited his workshop yesterday.
omg Quentin .... u dun have a/c.... i m not sure if i want to be in ur car during the hot summer....Quote:
Originally Posted by q_ball
wat u said in ya previous post about an unbalanced turbo did occur, so thats why the car is back and more work is being done to it. replacement is on the way.
So the turbo is being replaced now.. lol i guess that’s another broken XS power turbo LOL
explains why the manifold looks gold.. but meh why half install a kit, then rip it all out for the internals.. meh
oh well good luck.. just make sure you get what you pay for.
Quote:
Originally Posted by BLKCRX
the turbo in the pic is the one thats gona get replaced.
i wasnt plannign on gettin all the internals done b4 - it was only a last minute thing which i decided upon recently
after the turbo screwed up, i thought to myslef, mite as well go the whole way and make sure everythin is sorted out. :)
hehe i wonder if ANY of those XS power turbos ever work....
is the workshop paying for a new turbo ?
hope they choose "good" internals, correct size and compression etc… remember its how you build it.. and what parts you use / design that denotes making or not making lots of power.
yeh the mechanics supplier which is based in syd gave him an instant replacement plus he said that we could choose a bigger turbo or get a bigger cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLKCRX
i chose the bigger cooler - this one seems a lil small IMO
could get more airflow through my bar
so yeh, no skin off my nose :)
your cooler doest look that small... its all about how it works.. size is't eveything.
mines about the same size as yours.... and supports well over 450kw at the wheels....
Regards James
wat would u have chosen then?Quote:
Originally Posted by BLKCRX
the supplier basically gave my mechanic a shit product n as reimbursement said take either a bigger turb or cooler...
did i make the rite choice? :confused:
if he gave u the option of any other turbo than that XS power turbo, i would take that with a blink of a eye !!!
Regards James
thanks james!
ill let ya kno how things pan out
i would go for the a/c instead...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by q_ball
ok, I'm sorry
but that is an ss autochrome kit
XS racing is the same company... the turbo clearly says it on the side
the manifold is cleary theirs, no custom builder is going to make one of that design
the old "custom" manifold is actually the newer ss autochrome design
here is the ssac manifold
http://www.stockreco.com/Mvc-00VICBNW2f.jpg
it is NOT symmetrical
as for the other "custom" manifold
here it is
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...976082450&rd=1
you're not getting a custom kit, you're paying WAY too much for an ssac kit. I'm sorry, but that's how it is.
I would suggest you get your money back for them blatently lying to you about it.
Did they hone and bore the block when they did the internals?
dude SORRY i didnt read that you are building your engine , but i am sorry i aint sayin it to dis you but it sounds like your being takeing for a ride cos all of the manifolds you have shown are either ss autochrome or obx brand manifolds that can be fould on ebay , oh and there are more than one model of the ss autochrome manifold , alll we are trying to say is be carefull , i have been there i didnt by a kit i bought pieces from here and there and ended up with appears to be an ss autochrome manifold, but i bought my turbo direct from turbonetics in the states so i have warranty and know it has been built well, keep us posted as to wat it goes like as my motor is out of the car and wait to be put in my gsi , i am keen to see wat it goes like , but i have to spend around 3000-4000 grand on brakes and suspension upgrades before i would be willing to drive the car with my turbo motor in it ,
Quote:
Originally Posted by q_ball
looks the goods my freind! I was thinking of doing this to my car soon!
well it looks like im jst gonna have to finish up on my install, show u the stats and my run time to get rid of these rumors...
*sigh*
noone is telling you it's an ssac manifold to put you down or anything, we're trying to warn you about getting ripped off. Someone is sellign you a lower quality product and passing it off as their own, and you're going to get shafted because of it. Do you think it's purely coincidence that both manifold you've posted look EXACTLY like the ssac ones? That the turbo clearly says "XS POWER" on it, which is the same company as SSAC? That the wastegate is clearly an SSAC wastegate? You're the one spending tons of money on this project, you should be watching out to make sure you're getting what you're paying for.
well said saxman
im grateful for ur advice, honestly i am
but i know this guy very well - and he isnt in anyway about to screw me over
believe me on this one!!
good luck with it all
24psi is very fun in a fwd. Trust me i know.
then why is he putting ssac parts on your car?Quote:
Originally Posted by q_ball
the manifolds obviously are, but since there isn't actually a marking that says otherwise, lets disregard it... what about the turbo that clearly states XS power on it? there's no arguing that that part isn't an SSAC part, it says it is in big letters
there are also some other things I'm having issues with...
why is the engine in the car with the turbo kit bolted in if they haven't swapped the internals yet? or are they planning on swapping in the internals with the engine in the car? How do they plan on honing the cylinder walls with the engine in the car?(my guess is they don't)
How do they plan on breaking in the engine with the turbo on?
Generally, the proper thing to do here is engine comes out, gets bored and honed to match the new pistons(or else you'll have lots of fun getting everything to seat right, along with nice piston slap...), then the engine goes back in, and is broken in... then comes turbo time.
ive explained all that in a previous post saxman...Quote:
Originally Posted by saxman
the turbo u see in the photo is gettin replaced as well
that too was said earlier on!
haven't seen anything mentioning what work is being done to the engine as far as prepping it, just that the engine is still in because the internals haven't been put in yet... nothing about what's being done with it, etcQuote:
Originally Posted by q_ball
are they pulling all the turbo stuff off while you break the engine in?
also, as for the turbo, the only mention is that they gave you the option of either a new intercooler or a new turbo and you went with the new turbo... but again, that's really irrelevant... they obviously supplied you with an ssac turbo, and the rest of the parts look EXACTLY like ssac parts... so since you obviously had some, why do you think the rest aren't? doesn't the fact that they look EXACTLY the same, and you've had some that have even said so on them concern you?
and I wish you the best of luck at having 25 psi last on stock sleeves
24 psi on stock sleeves pfft , can you send us pics of you block blowin to bits lol , if you want good advice talk to james for hondata, unless you are goin to sleeve your block only run around 15psi daily , and maybe 18psi+ down the strip
Quentin.... I just sat down and read this thread all the way through, didn't notice it previously. I strongly suggest you contact some experienced and knowledgeable people and get this whole setup sorted. It just sounds dodgier and dodgier as the thread goes on.
Noone here is trying to put you down mate, as so many of us have already mentioned, I think we're mostly concerned about the quality of the items being used and knowledge base of this mechanic who is doing your work. Parts like these can become very dangerous if installed incorrectly or of a shit build quality. It's not like getting stuck with a crappy bodykit, this setup could INJURE YOU. The fact that two of OH's most regular posting REAL tuners have taken a look at your setup and cried foul should be fair indication enough.
Keep us updated mate. Best of luck.
sup qball its GTIME. looking good man. keep up the good work...then we go to the track hehe
we'll jst have to wait and see.
if this guy turns out to be foul, then i will take the appropriate action.
i have witnesses that have seen wat hes puttin in and have heard him say that its NOT a SSAC kit - and i have addressed my concern about this to him on a number of varying occassions.
but for now, and until i find out otherwise, from wat i can see, he is doin a good job for me, so i will stay positive about it.
ill fill yous in as it comes along.
fark, mine ran fine at 24psi on stock sleeves.... til...... I sold itQuote:
Originally Posted by Mugen boy
dodgy, VERY dodgy!! but good luck with it i hope it all turns out ok:thumbsup:
what's it going to take to convince you the parts are ssac? technically if he put together a bunch of ssac parts and a few of his own, he wouldn't be lying in saying it isn't an ssac kit...
and pornstar, that would make you the exception, not the rule... there's always the freak car that can hold 15 psi on stock internals or 25 psi on stock sleeves, etc, but it's certainly not something most cars can do... and a tuner that installs ssac parts and passes them off as their own doesn't exactly inspire the most confidence in me as to their ability to tune it to hold tons of power safely
well said saxman , q ball not doubting your tuner at all but try to get him to contact james(hondata) or adrian(toda) in regards to tuning and building, both these blokes where great help with giving me ideas to what i needed to do for my turbo motor,
oh and wat compression pistons you intending to run with 25psi, and wat turbo you using now
worst car ever
what r u on about man?Quote:
Originally Posted by sickintergra4u
that was a really constructive first post dude.. ull make friends here in no timeQuote:
Originally Posted by sickintergra4u
lol dude , this is meant to be contructive , not insulting, great , try look at the brighter side , dont bag his car..:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ,cos all honda rockQuote:
Originally Posted by sickintergra4u
Saxman, i dont mean todisagree with you, but the us and aus are different in mentality as to what is needed etc In any case, its not impossible, but theres tons of people here who saw my car in action, almost nightly being pushed hard, it can work.
In any case, my reply wasnt at ur comments, it was at Mugen boy's comment that it would automatically go boom.
I never said it would staight away go boom , relaibilty wise i wouldnt recomend it its not the boom part that happens its the warping of the bores , and the end result is the same a wasted engine, i wasnt serious bout it blowing up but but its is riskyQuote:
Originally Posted by pornstar
qball and sickintegra4u are good mates so there is only fun there lads.
keep up the work boys...
no worries
I'm not doubting that it happened, just saying that you're certainly rolling the dice, and I really doubt it's something that would last in most cars...Quote:
Originally Posted by pornstar
in the case at hand, I think the worry will be about the manifold falling apart before 25 psi is ever seen
yep i'm one of em, damn lil sleeper beast she was;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pornstar
gana, get a life u master clutch burner!! :thumbdwn:Quote:
Originally Posted by sickintergra4u
wat do u want me to do?!Quote:
Originally Posted by saxman
ive asked him exactly wat yous are implyin it to be....
"are these parts from an ssac kit?"
answer = no
leave qball alone till he gets his car back la....
print out pictures of the manifold, take them to him, ask him why they're exactly the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by q_ball
ask for invoices for the wastegate, turbo, and intercooler, find out where they came from. hell, if the manifold is "custom", they should have invoices for the head flange, turbo flange, and wastegate flange. If they made the manifolds, find out out what material was used, how they were welded, etc.
I'm sure you get the idea
whe never said its not possible , just that it wouldnt be reliable for extended periods of time....
from the pics...
the manifolds look similar, but are not exactly the same - n im not talkin bout the color
look the same to me Q
I don't see any difference(besides the color)... can you point out what you feel is different?
also, the other manifold you posted is the exact same as the other manifold ssac makes...
on top of that, the ssac manifold design is really quite poor. If someone custom made a manifold and used that design, I'd question their abilities on that fact alone.
to me, it doesnt look custom either. i have a custom turbo manifold on my car, and i can tell it is because it looks shithouse!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...6/IMG_1125.jpg
the person who made it could have polished it all up etc but the similarities between your custom manifold and that ssac one is too much of a coincidence.
that dump pipe has a crazy 180 bend aswell. i hope its not too restrictive.
so when is this kit going to be finished, installed and running?
So is the kit almost in yet? wondering how much gain u're gonna get. Hope you dont blow up your engine lolz.
qball, honestly, why wait till the damage is done before you take action?Quote:
Originally Posted by q_ball
its a waste of time and money and putting not only yourself but others at risk as well
even though you know the guy doesnt mean he wont see this as just another business transaction
some very experianced honda tuners are giving you advice and you're flicking them off.
we're all here to help mate and it shows you're a good bloke for trusting people so well, i hope this all goes well but please consider taking action sooner rather than later
quinton where u @ man???ya got ur car bak yet?its been 2 long man!
giv us a yell wen ya get it im keen 2 chek it out!
only time will tell.. keep us posted ya'll..
:)
10k....... may able to try K20A power
any updates on this?
patience ppls
ill show yous soon enough :D