No way in hell h22a accord will be able to beat a WRX.
I had a Prelude Si VTEC before and now have a MY05 WRX and the difference between the two cars in terms of sheer power and acceleration is chalk and cheese.
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No way in hell h22a accord will be able to beat a WRX.
I had a Prelude Si VTEC before and now have a MY05 WRX and the difference between the two cars in terms of sheer power and acceleration is chalk and cheese.
the prelude si didnt come with a h22a....
i'd say it will be close depending on driver
Si VTEC?
Si's arent vtec. ..
Prelude Si is just 2.3 no vtec isnt it?
Geez. Clearly you don't know much about Prelude do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by burma
Si VTEC is a JDM only model and not the same as AUDM Si's that were sold here.
h22a vs wrx
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zprpirMCZIE&search=wrx%20
rsx-s -/ integra-s > h22a right?
this clip here is
stock 06 wrx vs rsx-s on a ROLLING START
judging by this video here, it has no chance.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_as05gm_H_w&search=wrx%20
easy to see, rolling start or not:thumbdwn:
closed.
LOL eliminated in that battle LOL
Yeah whatever :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by h22a accord
Close this thread...
why close this threaD? why do people take it so seriously that an accord can beat a rex? its very possible, and jspecs accord had no serious mods done to it so an accord with some serious mods could very easily play up to be something mean...well thats if the wrx is stock but yeah
btw accord type r is a bit different to tuned h22a cd5 accords, different shape, etc etc
anyways if you really wanna leave the rex for shit just turbo the h22a
this comparison is a bit dumb :/ you already know on a stop-start, wrx will win hands down, so you create a situation where it's a rolling start to hopefully gain an advantage, yet to shame us NA engines again. I think unless you're on a s2000 vtec'in at 11k rpm NA style, not many stock honda range (cept NSX) can be faster than wrx.
lol..... subaru > honda
haha...who cares man...my car couldnt even beat a 121 bubble cos i was on the wrong gear in auto, and she was in 1st gear in redline!
Whether it's a rolling start or a start from stand still, rex will always beat H22A Accord easily. If you think otherwise, you haven't driven a rex.
Unless you spend $50K-60K, there aren't many cars out there that comes anywhere near the rex in terms of sheer performance. Turbo H22A? It's still a FWD and it'll struggle to put the power on the road anyway. Besides, if you spend a fraction of what it costs to turbo the Accord on a Rex, it'll still be faster yet again.
I wouldn't be so sure of that Coladuna. The jdm h22a is powerful engine coupled with the relatively light accord body (eg lighter than your WRX)- strange call to say it would be "easy". I have driven the WRX in both STI and standard varients and from rolling start I never felt either was anything remarkable as it took time for the turbo to spool up.Quote:
Originally Posted by coladuna
The question was not about a standing start where the benefits of 4WD and a turbo being dumped from massive revs clearly holds the advantage.
Unless you dump your model WRX from high revs it is a 7 second car (or maybe very high 6s) to 100kph (from idle launch). Care to prove me wrong on that?
Anyway "rolling start" is somewhat of a meaningless expression. In what gear, and from what speed? So many variables and it is impossible to say in all circumstances the WRX would succeed.
Catch a wrx off boost on rolling and you'll win, both of these cars against a V8 on a rolling and it will be bye to both honda and subaru.
can i ask an honest question? How many ppl in this thread have actually driven or been in a h22a accord?
* puts hand up *
*puts hands up* in cams :D
dw cam, most ppl here dont realise the potential h22a accords have
Honestly why a WRX, and not a SS V8. Why is it always used as a bench mark for other cars.
^^^ true lol!!! however i'd choose a Ford XR6T over either of those anyday...
No offence at all to be taken from this mate but there is absolutely no way this is correct. Been in both and driven both - not even close sorry. There are also a million magazine reviews that all say the same..Quote:
Originally Posted by jooboo
"integra is more race car, more raw and more connected BUT the rex will get point to point quicker without working as hard and will win every aceleration test hands down"
I love the type r, i want to buy one next but if you want your car for acceleration only then a wrx is a far better proposition.
Quote:
Originally Posted by crx51
Actually the Type R DC2 or DC5 can beat a stock WRX (prior to MY03-MY06).
I drove these cars on numerous occasions and also dragged them a lot during my S15 days. The WRX is way over-hyped even if modded.
A stock Type R IS stronger than a stock WRX. Driving a WRX only 'feels' faster because it pulls a stronger G-Force during the mid-range, very short period from no boost to on-boost period from 3000-4500rpm range. Or from a rolling start with the AWD jump off the line it achieves nearly 1G for a short period. Whereas the Hondas have lower G-Force all the way but pulls more consistently. Its just area under the curve.
After that mid-range pull of the Rex, the gearing and the top end power of the Type Rs win very slightly. If you check the Top Speed of a DC2R on most circuits (say on MOTOR) it is also always faster than a stock WRX. AND, the trap speed of a Type R is also faster. Trap speed as in 0-400m mph.kph.
There was a motor magazine i once read and still have it lying around at home comparo against a DC2R and MY00. The WRX beat it everytime and was a better car all round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
Type R are good for the Circuit. and it will beat a WRX Stock for stock.
In the end this a camparsion to apples to oranges. A modded WRX is a weapon and will put a smile that can't be wiped off even if your in the passenger seat or the driver.
can't really mod a Type R to and extent of a WRX or any turbo car for that matter EVO or STI or WRX with AWD. For the Type R to get the same power you would really have to Turbo charge it which really defeats the purpose of of N/A.
Anyway for the the Price when you compared a DC5 and WRX back then . It cost nearly 50g to put a Type R on the road compared to 40g for a WRX. 10g more for a car that can only really shine on track compared to a wrx which has shined on numerous occasion with ram raider.
I llike honda which is why I have one. But gotta be realistic and know when to draw the line.
Current HSV will give it to most of our cars but are big full guzzlers, it a choice of what makes you happy and what you can afford in the end.
When Wheels (or it could have been motor) first tested the s2000 they got 0-100 in 8.2 seconds. I still have that magazine! So don't believe everything you see in magazines. And which model WRX is the thread starter talking about - I have a magazine article that showed one manual WRX doing high 7 sec to 100kph (7.8sec? - 02 bug eye - can't remember?). Hardly earth shattering. There was some comment about the engine being tight, blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by crx51
I still come back to the question of what is rolling start. What gear, what starting speed - to what final speed? Do people remember that Top Gear test of the Evo (IX I think) against the basic econo box (citreon?) in top gear from 30mph? The econo box beat the Evo to the end of the runway. That is a rolling start too.
The ridiculous god like status the WRX has reached in Australia is amazing and seems to be unique to this country. People hear the word "WRX" and assume it will win any acceleration test regardless of gear, rolling start or otherwise. There are many unassuming cars out there that will shame WRXs in overtaking at freeway speeds (Saab Turbo comes to mind and plenty of Mercs). So lets keep things in perspective. Fantastic car off the line if you are happy to be mechanically unsympathetic - but definately not invincible in any gear at all speeds.
ps. good to see this thread liven up the Accord forum!
Thanks Rico - I have merged the old thread with the new. The "old" is more about standing start - the "new" (from post 60) is about rolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico
Remember that MY02 aka "bugeye" is the slowest WRX of all time, which is why it was so unpopular along with the hideous look.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
I've had two Honda cars. The first was Prelude Si VTEC and the second, the Euro (manual). The sheer power and acceleration in the WRX is earth shattering when compared to either vehicle. My friend who has had BA Falcon XR8 auto is sure it's faster than his XR8. Now, that's not a fact since it's just his impression, but it does give some guidance as to how quick the WRX is. Type-R has no chance against WRX at least from 0-100kph.
thing is the wrx is all based around the 0-100 hype and that was their marketing strategy and it worked...if anyone even bothered to actually drive a wrx over 100kph they would find a well sorted 4cyl or even a family v6 would keep up if not beat it..Quote:
Originally Posted by coladuna
HEY FELLAS WATCH THE VIDS ABOVE!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by hengis
i like this guy better to see with your won eyes rather than speculation
its simple the wrx is 14 sec car and the accord is a 15 sec car
it seems to me 14 is lower then 15 sec so the WRX is faster
all u guys sayin the h22a has a chance whats wrong with you? the h22a is slow as shit!
now put ur blouses back on and just accept the fact that turbo cars will always be better in a str8 line
Thanks
^^^um actually dno about the 04-06 wrx/stis but the highest factory spec that Subaru let out ON PAPER is 14.7 on 1/4mile.
i think what ppl here are failing to see are the minor mods.... a DC2r wont really beat one... but with a full exhaust it will... i have seen one time and time again... even the yellow R i saw on woodville road was shitting all over a CV8 Monaro an screeeeaaammed past me.
an H22A with I/H/E WILL beat a STOCK WRX.... a STOCK H22A WILL NOT!!!
A stock WRX usually puts 120-125kW at the wheels. I reckon the 4WD driveline saps quite a bit of power. From a standing start (0 km/h) the WRX is quick off the line. But if you are comparing rolling starts from say 30km/h, they might match each other in acceleration.
After owing a MY99, the only thing I hated was the turbo running out of puff at about 140kph, MY Jazz feels like it would get to 140kph to 160kph in no time. compared to the rex
They are good for 0-400mm sprints anything else on the standard turbo forget about it. Upgraded turbo and its a totally new ball game.
^^^F*** Oath it saps power hahaha 3 diffs....
LOL. This is a weird thread. si VTEC prelude in Au?
mmmz.. if u put both drivers of the same skill level etc. in one wrx and one h22a Accord. the WRX will win. sorry.
The wrx can get a killer start providing he has a 5000rpm start. the AWD traction is really great. ---
how is the bug eye slower than the other wrx? what is the differencce?? other than its funkii looks?
btw, my BA XR6 Turbo will whoop both of those cars :)
Well, even above 100kph, the acceleration, when compared to Euro, is far more rapid. I would've thought the Euro would be considered a "well sorted 4cyl" I don't see the Euro beating the Rex at any speed really.Quote:
Originally Posted by albii
If you didn't realise, there are privately imported examples of Si VTEC in Australia. Is that so hard to figure out on your own?Quote:
Originally Posted by dundas
The bugeye was heavy and had less power as well. It was the worst WRX ever made.
XR6 Turbo handles like a boat unfortunately and the engine sounds like crap. My friend who had XR8 until very recently admitted that XR8 drives like a boat around corners. I hope you are sleeping well at night thnking about the money you are losing every night on depreciation. I would never buy a Ford after seeing my friend lose $15K on depreciation in 8 months on BA Falcon XR8. lol
LOL.. i see a debate happening here..
well first of all.. i actually did not purchase the XR6T brand new... im not that silly :) i waited as i know fords value do not hold too well :D so i agree with that sense and feel sorry for ur mate :( 22k on a BA XR6T is not too bad i must say. Anyways...i rekon the bugeye looks hot. watever people think.
oh wells all in all this is about the accord vs the WRX--- straight line drag. :)
Straight line drag anything will keep up with a WRX till about 3rd. I had fun with and S13 it was N/A, he got the jump as i wasn't prepared. In front in 1st beside me in 2nd, all over in 3rd. backed off and went on my way.
Bugeye was the heaviest compared to the MY00 but it brought refinement to the WRX, now the MY06 dubbed pig nose is to me not that bad looking I still wouldn't buy one. subaru has its ups and downs, who know what style it has in the future. they knew they stuffed up with the Bug eye, so they brought the MY03 and etc i see the same situation with the MY06
WRX's are fun
shit driver - catch me
good driver - should stay even
great/insane driver - me in a feotal position at home
for all those peeps who've never seen a h22a accord go, i think u should keep an open mind.
Off the lights, a good driver with an accord may do the job, but its pretty hard. On the highway, an accord with i/h/e, the accord will beat the rex (with exhaust mods).
How do i know? cos i've owned one thats n/a and boosted. So stop bagging the accords!!!!! hahaha!
So what do you classify as beaten??? 1st gear does not coun't ??? how far how long...0-400mm ??? this thread is like how long is a stringQuote:
Originally Posted by CHU85
top speed is irrelevant so dc5r being marginally quicker at top speed means lttle, that comes down to aerodynamics and power/torque. Roll on tests are hard for a magazine to stuff up and the wrx wins in all roll ons to 150. After 150 yeah they tail off but again irrelevant - who cares if you can win from 180-190? That just means the difference between 5and6years license ban.
Drive your car and enjoy it i say. If you want definitive answers dont ask anyone basically. Get a stock h22a accord and a wrx and do a 60 - 100 roll on in third onto a highway and tell us how you go. Ill back the rex. If you win in the accord well done but there is no point everyone arguing blue in the face either one will win. But really the accord will need to be significantly quicker than the 94' aus prelude vtir, 2000' aus prelude vtir, dc2r and dc5r to have a chance. If it is then cool but seeing everyone is arguing with p/w i would be confident the dc2r has a better p/w than the accord h22a. Again though i dont really care, im impartial. Im a performance car fan, if a car drives well then im keen to drive them regardless of brand. If your accord wins then thats awesome but you'll be doing well to win.
We'd all love to hear real results, speculation will get us nowhere as noone will agree.
Slowest WRX is in fact the MY01 (in Aust) not the MY02, due to gearing problems with MY01.
Try to go uphill at around 30kph in 2nd on an MY01, it takes 5 seconds before it starts to go. A terrible ride :(
MY03 onwards has the AVCS system which means its mid-range power is much higher - as such I doubt any Honda's can catch it. And the MY06 even has a 2.5L instead of 2.0L, which makes it even harder to beat.
In that RSX-S vs MY06 video, that was a 2.5L Turbo - it sure should need to beat the RSX-S but then again its not even that much more infront!
RSX-S(Type S)/DC5R/H22A all pretty similar performance anyway..
Quote:
Originally Posted by dundas
i wouldnt be so sure of either an auto or manual xrt getting to 100kph from a standing start faster than a h22a accord. :p My mate's and me didnt believe what we were seeing either!
wrx have a lot more tourque becuase of there turbo, and i know from my h22 that they are a bit slugish down low. wrx are beatable with a stock h22 but need a roling start as everyone else has said. you can gain a bit of power down low by putting decent extractors on but it desent help that much.
LOL damn u Mr Det8R, ruin my dreaming process hehehe. mmz has my cover been blown?Quote:
Originally Posted by h22a accord
Latest wheels or motors can't remember....XR6 is faster than the wrx and XR5 in that comparsion.....:)
Autospeed has a good article on the 02 STI. This backs up what a lot of us are saying. Remember this is the king 195kw STI - not the base model.
http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/A_...popularArticle
Quotes:
It's pretty sad that the STi gets gobbled up by ninety percent of traffic in normal day-to-day driving. No joke - caught out at anything less the mid-range rpm, the Super Rex is an absolute s-l-u-g.
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Somehow, despite weighing 1470 kilograms (a considerable 200 kay-gees more than the previous STi sedan) Subaru Australia say their new hero can manage 0 - 100 km/h in 5.45 seconds; we can't help wonder where the 50-horse nitrous shot was hidden! Independent testing reveals more realistic low 6-second 0 - 100s. But critically, without a huge clutch-dumping launch, you're well up into the 7s.
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Despite its wide-open throttle, the STi proved unable to muscle its way past a humble Mitsubishi Colt in the adjoining lane....
...
Embarrassing - not to mention dangerous - situations like this quickly teach you the MY02 STi is a no-goer at anything below mid rpm. It's tractable - yes - but don't expect any useable acceleration.
The Bug Eye Sti may be porky bit it still has all the STi bits, nothing a turbo upgrade and aftermarket ECU, and Exhaust. Not as fast as it should be BUT still can be a real weapon
oh the BA XR6T can be a weapon. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by h22a accord
a bit of tuning, and a bit of boost will put the car into the sub 13s category.
They still went sub 14s in some quarter mile tests with the correvit. But yeah 2001 and 2002 were the years of the sh&t rex's. Very laggy dog of a motor still went hard on there way to 8k revs. Take a 2003 though and you have a well sorted car, wouldnt mind driving an 06.
MY01 and MY02 STIs are slugs below 4000rpm. Well it doesn't actually reflect the performance of the normal rexes - due to both ECU tuning and Turbo differences between the STI and WRXs. STI has much more top end but lack bottom end torque. Although the MY01-MY02 WRXs are slugs below 3000rpm, ECU, gearing, no AVCS, all wrong!
MY03s onwards they're really quick off the line or rolling start... especially WRXs. STI still has peaky tune though not as exaggerated as the MY01-MY02s bug eyes..
MY99-MY00 were the quickest in stock form out of the factory, the MY03 have taken that lead now. MY06 has just lots more useable torque compared to the other motors cause of the 2.5.
MY01-02 are average but nothing a bit of mods and a VF34 turbo can't fix :)
Okay guys,seems like a very interesting discussion here. First of all, if you think a H22A with CAI,exhaust can beat a stock 2000 rex,that's impossible.It is possible if that driver didin't try at all.......I use to got a EK1 civic VTi with header,cat back and CAi,and my mate is driving it and i driving my rex(yes i got 2 cars),the rex i got have 190kw atw......in first gear,my civic which is driving by my mate can catch up with me(because i spin the wheel of the rex too much)......after i change to 2nd,the rex just gone and no way for my VTi to catch up........after that,i sold both car and got a stock STI 2 door,the STI not as quick as my modded Rex,but still can beat any car easily....and i did try to drag with a H22a ACCORD WITH Turbo kit,etc on my previous rex(when it was totally stock),i can still win it easily.........After all,i just get a DC2R a week ago........the DC2R i got is stock atm,and i can say it no way can catch up with the rex.....because i had own all this car,so i can say that......if you think i am bullshxt or dreaming i had own this 4 cars before,ask me for pics or etc to prove anyway.......few members in here had saw me in the cruise and know what cars i got......
Conclusion is, they are different Class of car......don't compare them....Honda are fun to drive,nice handling,etc,but just don't think honda can beat the rex in anyway.....think about this way, a 160kw FWD with handle as good as a 160Kw 4WD rex???it's doesn't make sense.....if you like to put $5k or $10k to modify a H22A accord to beat a stock rex and you feel happy.....do it.....but no way u can handle like the rex in corner for a FF with that much power.....and how about the rex owner put $5k to modify their rex? $5k is enought for a stock rex to have 180+kw at all 4 wheels........Yes the gearbox in a rex is weak.....but they don't even have to rev 7000rpm to beat u.....maybe in 1st but not in 2nd gear.....
You are confusing some things.
The AWD Rex DOESN'T handle well. It is a permanently understeerer. In fact its cornering speed isn't very fast at all, due to the lack of balance in chassis and lack of LSD. (STI is another story).
AWD's advantage is traction out of corners, NOT handling and NOT mid-corner speed. Even in the wet its cornering speed isn't necessarily better, its just that after the apex the drive can accelerate 'easier'.
Its other advantage is 1st gear and AWD launch.
2ndly your REX is modded.... and your 2nd rex is the STI. We're talking about the stock REX here dude.... don't take things out of context....
The boxer engine in the REX is weak as, if I want an AWD I'll buy an EVO over it anyday, due to the inherent lack of torque in the boxer engine down low.... mainly because of lack of gravity on the down stroke.
I had an S15 with nearly 200rwkw before..... obviously no Honda can catch up with it.
But when it was stock, it already had better Top End than any REX bar an STI.... and yet, I KNOW some honda's can match its rolling speed.
"if I want an AWD I'll buy an EVO over it anyday"
Although i had got 2 Rexes b4,but i agree with this point,boxer engine and gearbox are just sooooo weak.....you can't thrash it like a honda :)......
The Accord Type R has the F20B engine and thus is a little slower than an h22a accord and doesnt have anywhere near the tuning possibilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Det_Me_Baby
and an H22a accord with basic mods is a 14 second car. But apart from that turbo>na
Accord Type R (CL1) has the h22a. The Euro R (CL7) has the k20a. Between the 2, the Euro R would be faster on the track, but in a straight line it would be even because of the CL7's shorter ratios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico
whoops the SiR has the f20b...but I hear the honda accord type R has a destroked h22 2.0L engine
but i might be wrong again..
im pretty sure the Euro R has a h22a7 engine with a single stage manifold but that could be the older models..the k20a i think is in the new models
but still, the accord type r and cd5 + h22a engine are two totally different things
Euro R is a K20A, not H22A.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rico
In Japan, the CL1 is called the Euro R as well So you're right, it is a h22a.
Only UK called it the Accord Type R.
And yeah, SiR with the f20b... nice engines.
i think all the accord R's are from UK
there's the 2000 model EuroR with the h22a7, and a Accord TypeR with the h22a, and the 2003 EuroR with the k20a, SiR with f20b, SiR Wagon with h23a.
run me !!
:D
Keep it to the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by clokx
yeah of course mate !!Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
im not allowed to drive on the roads anyways !!
The all-new 3.0-litre VTEC V6 is introduced on the Accord V6
'This engine produces 147 kW of power at 5500 rpm, along with a flat torque curve peaking at 265 Nm at 4700 rpm.
maybe i should turbo my baby one day and see what i can get out of it.
can't rem if i commented on this but...
I watched a Prelude H22 (new model Jap spec import and AUTO!)l run a WRX (with exhaust) on a rolling start and the h22 won, i was shocked i say! then they ran again, same result, then they did a proper start, almost on par, but i missed the ending as someone distracted me.....
there is a EURO R in the old modelsQuote:
Originally Posted by yourfather
i am pretty sure it b4 the new CL7
it runs the H22a i looks like the toreno (i think it's called)
the old euro r is called the CL1
if the wrx was stock and it was a rolling start then the h22a would have a chance of winning
what would u say if it was a h22a in a 1990 integra LS??
Quote:
Originally Posted by |N|
exactly.
u will never beat one off the line. even with i/h/e (4wd turbo has too much grip and torque)
so u tellin me that my mate with a 99 vtec integra beat a wrx with me in the car was a dream?? imagine a h22a, yeh a wrx is mad but u gota think to urself honda is the best fwd makers, thats wat they specialise in especially vtec. if u know how to handle the clutch to require the amount of grip u need to take off then u have no problem,
99 integra is a different story. i have seen heaps of tegs blow away wrx's. However keep in mind Vtegra that the prelude is a heavy heavy car and although has more power than a aus spec type r it is no where near beating it due to gearing and weight.
:)
and integra cannot beat a wrx off the line.
same goes for a prelude
as well as an accord.
that is all.
this is a lame thread, dunno why its still open.
an integra can beat it off the line, seen it done.
Any car, can beat any other car off the line, it all comes down to driver.
All these stupid comparison threads are pointless.
Take it to the track and find out for real, rather than stir up 13 pages of pointless "my mate smoked this car in his WRX blah blah blah!!"
Grow up ppl!
is this stupid thread still going?
If I had the time or could actually be bothered, I would love to prove to dillusional drivers that no stock honda can beat a wrx in a straight line drag race. If someone you know did beat a wrx in a honda, the driver in wrx would have been a crap driver.
I have driven a number of Honda cars before switching to a WRX, so I think I have a better idea of what's faster compared to the people who says "my friend beat a wrx off the line" crap
i'll ask the question again- how many peeps have driven an accord with a JDM h22a engine conversion?
this is a ghetto video of my speedo doin the ton. watch carefully and you will see that i dont take off until about a second into the clip and when it hits 100 the elapsed time of the vid is in the 6 second vicinity.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v2...t=Sub6time.flv
I don't see how a Accord with H22A engine will be that fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by h22a accord
I haven't driven one, but I have owned a JDM Prelude Si VTEC and WRX feels a lot faster. Prelude is actually lighter than CD Accord by about 30kg.
Not sure how you claim the same engine will be so much faster in an Accord shell.
nsx is a stock honda :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by coladuna
i had a simular thread and got deleted
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get over it ppl,
wrx= bred performance car with potential
accord= luxurious medium size car with moderate power to get u moving.