Thank you very much Omotesando. Your time to write out that response is appreciatted.:thumbsup:
Thanks for the link tony1234.:thumbsup:
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Thank you very much Omotesando. Your time to write out that response is appreciatted.:thumbsup:
Thanks for the link tony1234.:thumbsup:
That's alright! Sorry my previous answer was really really short, because I thought their PDF file with the dubious figures (for a totally different car) was obvious enough to deter potential buyers LOL! Can't even get the information right :( I pity those who pay $1990 for one...
Its hard to get the right ECU for an Euro Accord. Might go Hondata one day.. Can't wait anymore!
I spoke to James last Thurs.He says it's a matter of weeks before the Hondata gear is released:p (he told me $1000.00 approx.for ecu reflash).Why would you consider the Powerchip?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omotesando
A matter of weeks? He is running short on time before the euro is replaced with an all new version
We'll all have to be patient.I've done research outside this forum and the feedback is positive,so i think it's worth the wait.What other viable options do we have?Does anyone here have any other ideas???Quote:
Originally Posted by curik
the previous model euros will be around long after the new one comes out... also once they get cheaper second hand more ppl will be inclined to modify them. The aftermarket support for the euro will still be strong years to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by curik
I think at around 1000 they've hit the nail on the head price wise, 1500 was gonna be a bit over the top but 1000 sees it closer to the price it costs in the US than i thought.
The other option is the fully tuneable DBW compatable ecu from EFI - user: pornstar is offering a special deal for euro owners for the next couple of months, and although its more expensive it has a lot of extra features and can be removed and replaced with the stock ecu easily - I assume the reflash will require the stock ecu to be modified. I'd prefer a stand alone but tahts just me.
At least now euro owners in australia have the opportunity to unleash some more potential (whichever way they go about it):thumbsup::thumbsup:
Hondata looks promising although I will have lots of questions to ask when it is released! As for other options - Chris mentioned that tuneable ECU. Funny you mention that because yesterday I found some info on that "Euro1" ECU. I have no idea who these "Compsystems" people are so don't ask me for more info - i just "googled" the name of the ECU. According to that table it doesn't support traction control so whether it works with VSA is still a question mark. Even though there are benefits of a stand alone system - I wouldn't want to lose a safety system like VSA even if 99.9% of the time driving the car it is not used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
Getting real world info about how these work with the CL9 seems to be veiled in secrecy at the moment. Hopefully more info will be released soon. Check out the last link - with the Euro1 (and some other mods like camshafts) they claim they upped the power on the Peugeot 206GTI from 135 to 200hp (still NA). Fairly significant!
http://www.compsystems.com.au/efi_technoogy_spa.htm
http://www.compsystems.com.au/euro1.htm
http://www.compsystems.com.au/News/011005spotlight.htm
http://www.compsystems.com.au/images...rs1_1_0002.jpg
ECU alone doesn't make power. It allows you to make the potential power of all your mods that are on your car. In the case of the base Hondata reflash, the power gain is from leaning out the mixture and running on 98 octane.
The 206 GTI has such a big gain because of ITBs, cams and exhaust.
here is another info I found about EFI euro products
http://www.efitechnology.it/main_eng.html
About Hondata reflash, when is it gonna be released actually ?
last time I talked to him which is on march 06, He said gonna be released on April 06. Well it's almost october though. so what's happening?
can't wait >.<
I personally think that now is the time Hondata should have made the initial announcement. Not 9 months ago or whateva and strung people along. Announcements should be made just before supply or as suppy is delivered.
They could have said nothing til now then BAM , announce and then deliver with immediate feedback from real users
Stringing faithful hopeful's along isnt very professional in my opinion.
I still look forward to some results but I think im going to turn over my vehicle before i see any results at this rate.
I have kept the faith so far... The first announced release date was to be September 2005. Product was then announced as finished in April 06. A pre-order was going to be announced in August 06.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
I don't mind them releasing info about it - I think that is a great thing. The only thing I don't like is dates being put on a release when such indications have proven highly innaccurate. I hope (i really hope) support during the sale and after sale process is excellent.
I think all will be forgiven once this is released.. :D
I agree with yfin.It'll be great when it's finally released.Wouldn't you rather wait a bit longer and have a product that is properly developed than one that is rushed onto the market to fit in with a previously promised date?Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
That's a good point, i was assuming VSA would be kept in tact, but we'd need to ask Andy (pornstar) about all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
If anythng, the EFI ecu is more suited to those euro owners who want to take their car to the next step and make the most power possible. A forced induction setup, for example, isn't out of the question - neither are quad throttles or internal work.
I'm just glad the option of a fully tuneable ecu is finally available - im sure some people will jump on board then we'll get to see the full potential of the k24a in the euro platform. Motec and the more expensive ones have always been there but generally out of the publics reach cost wise.
I think peeka34's car - being custom tuned - is already showing us some of this potential (i bet that thing feels fast!). Personally I'd only go for a reflash if it could be customised to my specific application so hopefully this is something hondata can offer. The idea of a universal "reflash" just doest sit well with me.
that's a really good point... I don't think a universal ecu reflash will ever take full advantage of peoples modifications like a standalone can. It's a halfway solution that might signficantly increase power but without seeing maximum gains. For $1000 or so though it's reasonable value for what you seem to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
From what i can work out the Hondata reflash seems to be the best allround option for price and performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
Seems to be... we'll have to wait untill all details are confirmed.
I might hazard a guess that Hondata is hoping to wait until EVERYTHING such as their exhausts, cams, intakes, etc, manufacturing to be completed and then shipped into Australia, before they announce the whole Euro Accord Hondata packages.
I mean - obviously with all the research that's been done, they want to sell a Stage 3 or Stage 4 all at once instead of only a Stage 1 Hondata reflash or something.
Unfortunately manufacturing of the items takes a long time to finalise, also not to mention the quality assurance takes time I mean the first batch of finished samples might not be up to par or something, who knows.
Like some others said - I'd rather they have done their due diligence and checked everything is GOOD ENOUGH for market release, before they actually start selling.
Coz - as an example, I don't want it to be like my bloody Sony Ericsson K800i mobile which has so many bugs and problems, I've had it in warranty repair for the 3rd time :(
Latest news....Exhaust has landed and will be quality checked against car today or tomorrow. Looks very bling bling...... Very good quality welds. Nice unit overall.
Great news.What about the CAI and ecu reflash?Any news on them?.......Thanks.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
any chance of some pics aswell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
CAI is there as well. Ask James re reflash I believe he is waiting on equipment from US to do reflash instead of sending to states to do.
woo soo excited!!! cant wait..
Thanks Peekay34 for keeping us up to date.
Yeah thanks Peekay34.... sounds promising :)
I'm glad he's getting equipment over from the States, as I'd really hesitate to send my ECU off across the ocean for a reflash.
Come on mate, where are the pics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
here u go mate.. a sneak peak
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5555/dsc05911ny1.jpg
Come on mate......................
You can do better than that!!!
i dunt work for hondatech.. lol i just found the pic from thier forum heheQuote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
hehe sweet!Quote:
Originally Posted by enkay
That does look like the comptech header though........
Same flange and 4 > 2 > 1 design.
This was not copied from anywhere it is their own design.... How much can you change flange has to be simular if not the same as they bolt to the same head?????????... after that they depart each from other from looks and design. They are totally different trust me.
I wish they would hurry up..........
As far as I am aware James was going to post something on hondatech today or tomorrow.
Thanks Peekay.Can you keep all of us up to date on any developments?Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
can you please post up a link to where that photo came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by enkay
1 - it helps people who want to read the thread where that photo came from;
2 - it is fair to the author of the thread on the other forum.
yfin, ALN has been making enquiries about the efi ecu and he confirmed with me that the Euro1 ecu retains all standard functions (including DBW with an optional module).Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Did you put your email adress down for pornstar (andy) to send you the details about this ecu? It contained a lot of information and pricing etc.
Thanks Chris - I have seen that email but it doesn't say anything about retaining standard functions. That Euro1 table must be wrong as it says traction control is not supported. So has anyone signed up for it yet? Would be good to see more info re test results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
Cheers
I believe the 'traction control' featured on the other efi ecu's is actually a part of the ecu (an added feature). For cars that already have a traction control system this added feature is probably obsolete, unless of course the efi traction control system is better than the standard one.
That's just a theory, but it would explain why it's retained.
Like you I'm really looking foward to seeing the results a fully tuneable ecu can achieve on the euro. It'll be even more interesting to see how it compares to the hondata reflash performance for dollar wise :P
WOO http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=863 INFO!
its now called JTUNE =P
Woohoo.Finally.I'm going to check it out NOW.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by enkay
from the link enkay posted... I'll be waiting to hear more details about this...Quote:
Full Custom tunes - For those who think their modifications are beyond a Flash upgrade, i.e wildly crazy NA cars or forced induction, we have a fully tunable ECU solution, based on the K100 / K Pro technology – This product is a direct plug and play product, with all the features of the K100 / K Pro Technology. At this time I can’t release any specific information to the public, as were still finalizing this product.
Nice. I would have preferred cannon style mufflers though.....Quote:
Originally Posted by enkay
I'm liking the header and exhaust system. I don't like cannons, so I might go for this.
If the price is competitive these will sell well. I am glad they are sticking with a dual muffler setup - that extra muffling capacity will help keep the noise increase to a minimum.
I'm with aaron.I reckon it looks the goods.There will be a once only group buy with packages at a discounted price apparently!!!!:thumbsup:
If they can sell them cheap once, they can sell them cheap all the time................Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
for me... the exhaust looks alright, not the best tho. But the header looks damn nice :P i will think about it.
Finally good 2 c some product and quality looks good so far.
Headers look good from the limited shots but exhaust is not doing it for me.
I think that exhaust as stated on the link is the hand-welded sample they got back from overseas, before batch production?
So the final product should hopefully look better :)
Looks like we'll have hondata here real soon!! :D
The only issue I have with hondata is that you can't flash it back to stock.
Should any reliability issues arise I would really like the option of being able to return it back to its factory form. And since the tune is optimised for 98 octane fuel, if i'm planning to sell my car i'd have to tell the new owner or else he/she might damage the engine by putting in the wrong fuel.
give me a single outlet exhaust and a tuneable ecu anyday
They will have a tuneable ECU one day from what is said?
Sigh - at the moment its just too much talks. By the time I'm ready for the upgrade, I think I might as well sell my 05 and get an 07 or when the new Euro comes out. sigh..
Always want to catch up with the latest models :(
Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
Why would you have fart cannons they produce to much noise. This exhaust has been designed to produce power without noise taking into account the type of car it is. The design has been taken into account that the car is an upmarket exec type car not a boy racer car. Also the question of single outlet.... Why ....the car is from factory a twin outlet car not single. This exhaust took this into consideration. Also power is not lost with this system but gained... The welds on this exhaust are very good quality but is only the first prototype.
I agree.The main reason i'm going for the JTUNE gear is exactly what Peekay34 states.Cannons,noisy exhausts and intakes etc.do NOT suit the style of car that the Euro is.Not to mention that the idea of a "sleeper"style of car appeals to me as well!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
of course there is a reason for the design, and i think the whole package will suit the character of the euro well like you said. honda implimented a dual outlet exhaust from factory becuase it's quiet and looks good depending on your taste (most people appreciate symmetry and having 'more')Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
So why a single outlet exhaust? It's a less compromised design... function over form, lighter in weight (j's racing = 6kg for the cat back system) and in theory will always have the potential to flow more exhaust gasses on a 4 cylinder car (assuming there is a collector that meets at a single point). Like you said the hondatech system is designed to retain the 'exec.' character of the euro - no denying it is a well rounded / more conservative upgrade, but optimal performance? that's questionable.
No offense intended here, just offering my view point: the hondatech way isn't the only way to tune a euro and if a single outlet exhaust is for 'boy racers' so is a 3ft wing, wouldnt you say?
the hks silent hipower is one of the quietest exhausts on the market for the euro and has adopted a cannon style dual exit muffler as has the mugen exhaust system. So don't generalise.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony1234
the euro could be considered an entry level luxury car but it's in no way a status symbol like a mercede's or bmw...
CHris F... great stuff :D i totally agree with you
Peekay34 - I like the look of the cannon mufflers, I think the hondatech ones look shite. I also prefer the two muffler design over single. But hey, that's my thoughts... The Greddy twin design is quiet, the HKS design is also quiet, so what makes you say that the cannon mufflers are loud?
The only thing that appeals to me about hondatech is the reflash and depending on how expensive, the headers too. that's it. Unless they are using metalcat's catalytic converter, then forget about it too.
Saying that, it is awesome that we are getting some more parts for the euro. They are just not for everyone.
What's the intake going to be like? Comptech airbox design or CAI?
i guess comptech, mayb if i remember correctly, they first tested the ecu on a euro with comptech intake.
But I hear all this talk about CAI? As they said, they tested everything.
a design similar to comptech could be considred a CAI.. anything that draws in cool air (not from the bay) is essentially a CAI..
Ok internet kiddies, a response has been posted up re why that exhaust was chosen.
http://www.hondatech.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=863
I think we should let the dyno graphs and real world driving experiences do the talking here. A couple of photos (which to me look real nice) mean little don't they?
ps.. The internet kiddies remark is just tounge and cheek - if you read the link you will see why I am saying it. lol :D.
hahaha I just read it
3" sounds good to me, I'm sure it'll be a great package with all the effort that's been put into it.
One point though.. if hondata didn't want to be rushed by 'internet kiddies' then they shouldn't have generated hype about the product when it was nowhere near release, I'm sure people find it hard to stay patient for so long
Yeah, I am sensing some frustration over there. I mean they have spent A LOT lot of technical time on this and then read over here some of our pretty basic discussions about single vs dual and why not a different muffer, etc , etc (well basic talk to them anyway - great talk for us mere mortals as we can't all be 'tuners').Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
As for saying some of us are 'internet kiddies' - not sure how smart that is given we are all potential customers. Oh well, perhaps customer service is not their forte. I am counting on the actual product to do the talking which I am sure it will. :thumbsup:
Hehe, so is the stock airbox!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_F
Anyways, you know what I mean.....
haha, its getting cold air so yep ;P
Yeah the "internet kiddies" response is NOT professional and is a direct result of them hyping a product far too early.
Im 50-50 on whether to keep my Euro or not depending on real world results on Hondata. Hope theres something concrete on the flash soon. Im not that interested in the exhaust chatter.
Not a good idea to piss the "internet kiddies" off because they'll be the ones spending the money haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
couldn't agree more...Quote:
Originally Posted by sodaz
it's unwarranted frustration though. If anything they should be greatful for the consumer insights. If information was released when it was supposed to be and the product wasn't delayed for so long there would also be a lot less general banter and speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Frustration or arrogance?Quote:
Originally Posted by yfin
It doesn't matter. All I care about is that these guys do a good job of the project, there are no problems down the track, and the price is competitive. Mechanics are notoriously bad at customer service. My dad is the prime example. Great at working on cars in his day - terrible when a customer complained - lol. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
What arrogance are you talking about...I can't believe you guys. If anyone should be frustrated here it is me I have lost my car for months and months with this work. All you guys had to do is sit and wait. The only one I see here about arrogance is your statements. How much money have you invested in this ...absolutly nothing not one brass razzo. Do you think it is cheap to do this stuff or easy to organise with overseas manufacturers. If you can do better then go off and do so. No one is forcing you to buy this stuff anyway... you still get to drive your car and benefit if you decide to buy when it is released.Quote:
Originally Posted by Type R Positive
In frustration....
im sure everyone here is greatful for ur contributions peekay. but on the flipside, i guess losing your car and all is all part of being the first guinea pig for the product.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
Everyone should just relax.The JTUNE gear is only a matter of weeks away now.I'm sure once we've all got the gear installed on our cars all this "frustration" will be long forgotten.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
I feel for you Peekay. You are a stronger man than me to stand up for Hondatech if you were without your car for "months and months". I would be pulling out my hair after 3 weeks I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
Anyway, I feel bad for highlighting that "internet kiddies" remark now as it has obviously caused a reaction. I wouldn't have said it if I was selling something - but it is not going to stop me from looking at the product once released. So lets all move on :D
he was reffering to the 'internet kiddies' comment i believe... a lot of consumer goods require R&D and whilst everyone in the euro community is grateful for your contributions to the development of the Jtune products we should be entitled to discuss them in whichever way we see fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekay34
when people are finally able to buy these products they will be making a significant investment... and hondatech will be making a profit - for that reason i believe consumer feedback/general banter & discussion about the products is a positive and something hondatech is fortunate to have access to - regardless of whether it is positive or negative. Professionals should be professionals because consumers will be consumers :p
edit: just read your comment yfin - and i feel the same way (though i won't be selling off my current modifications for the hondatech gear i may be interested in a tuneable ecu)
Still nothing about this or is it still a talk fest from Hondata?
Spoke to James yesterday.Apparently some minor mods had to be made to the collector(i think)!which will delay the release till early Nov.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Suntzu
o reali thats not to bad then, gives me time to focus on HSC 1st lol =P instead of just thinkin bout hondata