Does you euro have drift to one side tendency?

Yesterday the dealer turned my front tyres around on the rims. THE PROBLEM WENT AWAY!!!!

I have new tyres on order. HA tell me Bridgestone don't wanna help the HA engineers out with fixing the problem. But I will wait and see what the outcome is after the new tyres are fitted next week.

On the Luxury model for 2006. The Bridgestone Potenza 225/45 17 91W spare tyre is set up for the RIGHT HAND SIDE USE ONLY, it has a sticker on the bottom of the wheel well saying if you use it on the left side, make sure you repair or replace that flat tyre as soon as possible.

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Originally Posted by Woogler

Yesterday the dealer turned my front tyres around on the rims. THE PROBLEM WENT AWAY!!!!

I have new tyres on order. HA tell me Bridgestone don't wanna help the HA engineers out with fixing the problem. But I will wait and see what the outcome is after the new tyres are fitted next week.

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Great stuff Woogler. I was sure the dealer tried a different set of tyres already? Directional tyres are a pain in the ass.

Yes Yfin they did. From another vehicle which makes me dubious about this situation. But they reckon it was noticeably different with the tyres changed around.

Yep my 06 euro lux drifts to the right side, when roads cambers to the right, camber problem i think? not alignment...dealership even stated this. It happened about 4,000 klm mark...complained to dealership, got the run around. They adjusted something according to them(did not pull AS much after this) . Did not resolve the issue though....Went back again told me that- all euro's pull to the right, your driving a fwd, you bought a sports car, it's because of the low profile tyres, three mechanics drove it and could not find anything wrong with it and told me not too worry because honda has plenty of money and if something happens down the track they would pay for it have never heard such CRAP before made me look stupid, very upset....I'm going into the dealership again to complain if that doesnt work will contact honda customer relations. This is a serious issue for me as it effects my driving experience. I can't believe the nerve of these mechanics.

*Hush Hush Info from Honda Insider* ----> No I am not the insider!!!!

I was told of this recently, besides the fact that we drift to the left a little because of us driving on the left hand side, the other reason is because of the car's sub frame, dealerships now know of this issue as countless wheel alignments have yielded nothing and after checking with Honda HQ it was found to be the sub frame. To correct this problem, the sub frame needs to be adjusted slightly to correct this issue...

Hi LXRY,

Stick to your guns mate. HA need more people to complain about this problem because I was told I was "the first" to bring this to their attention. Yet once the topic was listed on here, the real story comes out.

I also am so dissapointed with my Euro due to the steering really wrecking the experience. It is so annoying, constantly holding the wheel to one side, always having to stay very focussed on the way the car is moving over the road as it tries to fight itself. I am having my front tyres replaced mid week but I have a sneaking suspicion that this is not the real problem. But I have never had directional tyres on a car before so I am unable to make an informed comment.

I suggest if your dealer plays stupid about the problem, then perhaps they are. I started treating mine with such contempt and started giving them solutions. Not a good sign of the times. In fact, HA have failed to return my last 2 phone enquiries about an update of their "search for a solution to the problem" which has been going for 3 months.

Good luck. I am interested to hear how you go.

Adjust the subframe slightly? I am assuming this involves bending or twisting it?

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*Hush Hush Info from Honda Insider* ----> No I am not the insider!!!!

I was told of this recently, besides the fact that we drift to the left a little because of us driving on the left hand side, the other reason is because of the car's sub frame, dealerships now know of this issue as countless wheel alignments have yielded nothing and after checking with Honda HQ it was found to be the sub frame. To correct this problem, the sub frame needs to be adjusted slightly to correct this issue...

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I also have a friend who could be called a honda insider. She claims that they have had multiple complaints with this issue and apparently they changed 4 tires on a car as the customer complained so much and she stated " It fixed the problem" I don't know if this is the full repair they did, but i have been told from her lips that this is what the dealership had done.:o

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*Hush Hush Info from Honda Insider* ----> No I am not the insider!!!!

I was told of this recently, besides the fact that we drift to the left a little because of us driving on the left hand side, the other reason is because of the car's sub frame, dealerships now know of this issue as countless wheel alignments have yielded nothing and after checking with Honda HQ it was found to be the sub frame. To correct this problem, the sub frame needs to be adjusted slightly to correct this issue...

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ahh an insider hey?! Well if they are adjusting the sub frame that sounds like the issue is with unequal camber left and right (rear). So even though the rear camber is within spec it might be uneven left and right.

It raises a question though - do people who have a camber kit fitted have the pull on the steering to either side?

ps - I am happy to be proven wrong on this but I seriously doubt this is a tyre only problem. I had the same issue on the OEM Dunlops and it reoccured later with Falken 512s. I also find it a bit surprising that the issue occurs on both the OEM Dunlops and now the OEM 17" Bridgestones. All 3 brands of tyres can't be defective. This has to be an alignment or suspension issue. I swap suspension and do an alignment and the issue goes away?

Something is not right and quite frankly I am surprised how difficult it has been for some of you to get resolution from Honda. Hopefully there will be a definitive answer soon. If it is unequal camber that is a relatively easy fix.

I wonder if,rather than a camber issue as a result of subframe misalignment,it is more a problem of unequal wheelbase on either side of the car?This would change the thrust angle and cause the car to try and move to the side with the shorter wheelbase.Just a thought,because its not always checked on some wheel alignment machines,and when it is found, is often ignored as they cant do anything about it anyway.

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I wonder if,rather than a camber issue as a result of subframe misalignment,it is more a problem of unequal wheelbase on either side of the car?This would change the thrust angle and cause the car to try and move to the side with the shorter wheelbase.Just a thought,because its not always checked on some wheel alignment machines,and when it is found, is often ignored as they cant do anything about it anyway.

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Interesting point - who checks the distance between the centre of the front wheels and the centre of the rear wheels?

That would be an easy check to do - even at home. So if people are having this problem get out the measuring tape and let us know if there are differences between left and right ;)

I thought i also heard somewhere that the Euro has some form of supplemental electric power steering assist.If that is true,could that be affecting steering in some way.If it was via electric motor could it be as a result of voltage fluctuations in the system.I could be way off here with this theory and the electric assist may be a complete load of crap,i dont know, but i'm trying to think beyond the usual suspension/alignment/tyres ideas.

Interesting point
Who knows ... Honda?

A wheel rotation minimized the pull/drift/tramtracking to the right on my 06 sports with the supplied Potenza 225/45 17 @ 1000K, however after another 1000K the problem is happening again, BUT, not all he time.
Stranger than fiction (to quote Split Enz)
In this case it might be Stranger than Friction....

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I thought i also heard somewhere that the Euro has some form of supplemental electric power steering assist.If that is true,could that be affecting steering in some way.If it was via electric motor could it be as a result of voltage fluctuations in the system.I could be way off here with this theory and the electric assist may be a complete load of crap,i dont know, but i'm trying to think beyond the usual suspension/alignment/tyres ideas.

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I thought i also heard somewhere that the Euro has some form of supplemental electric power steering assist.If that is true,could that be affecting steering in some way.If it was via electric motor could it be as a result of voltage fluctuations in the system.I could be way off here with this theory and the electric assist may be a complete load of crap,i dont know, but i'm trying to think beyond the usual suspension/alignment/tyres ideas.

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Hmm, the Euro's power steering is fully run through the hydraulic power steering pump. It does not have any electrical assistance. I don't see any cables running in and out of the PS pump. It's the EuroR that has electrical power steering.

Didn't someone already mentioned they fixed the problem by adjusting with the Tension Rods and most possibly playing with the Toe angles?

Not sure if it was missed. Give this a try first.

As for subframes, I would have thought they come with rather soft bushings from standard anyway, so they shouldn't exactly alter the rear camber enough to steer the car to one side.

My car was ok till 4000 to 6000 klm's then started pulling to the right HARD (I took it easy too)....when they supposedly adjusted whatever they adjusted it sort of fixed it a little bit but was still doing it not as much and most important my steering wheel was at 12:15 after they done whatever they done.....what would cause my steering wheel to be out? According to the dealership it wasn't the alignment they where 100% about that and I sort of believe them too cause iit doesn't do it on a straight road but the slightest camber and she pulls to the right.

Mine does it on a dead flat road, and if the road is cambered, well then it is ridiculous!

Is this a documented fix from Honda yet?

The demo that I drove was very obvious with drifting to the right. My 2005 euro lux when delivered new had the same feel but not as much as the demo. My car has done almost 10,000km now and It is still there. My 2002 CRV tracks normal without having too much weight difference between left and right turns.

Looks like everyone who is complaining has the 17" rims with Bridgestones...

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Looks like everyone who is complaining has the 17" rims with Bridgestones...

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If this is the case, how many have this complaint?

If there are sufficient numbers, maybe we could be proactive on mass?

May I suggest that everyone with this issue phone the Customer service Number Freecall 1800 804 954 next week????

OR: is there something else we could do?

We should start with a list first I think to get an idea of numbers.

It's best we work together, I already got the run around from my dealer twice.

Give some detail on which euro you have whether it's a sports, luxury or standard, the size of rims and tyres and what year your euro is and klm's etc.

Then we work together and resolve the issue once and for all. Customer service sounds good we set a day and ALL call on that day, one customer every hour depending on how many of us there are.

That should give them a bit of a wake up call.

I'll start the list off here goes-

LXRY- 06 euro luxury (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts to the right 13000 klm

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We should start with a list first I think to get an idea of numbers.

It's best we work together, I already got the run around from my dealer twice.

Give some detail on which euro you have whether it's a sports, luxury or standard, the size of rims and tyres and what year your euro is and klm's etc.

Then we work together and resolve the issue once and for all. Customer service sounds good we set a day and ALL call on that day, one customer every hour depending on how many of us there are.

That should give them a bit of a wake up call.

I'll start the list off here goes-

LXRY- 06 euro luxury (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts to the right 13000 klm

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I'll add to that (I've cut and pasted from the quote to add to the list....but maybe the guys running the thread have an easier solution?


List of drifting Euro's

1- LXRY- 06 euro luxury (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts to the right 13000 klm
2 - cgspot-06 Euro Sport (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts to the right 2400klm

My car is booked in today to get this problem corrected.. but until then.

06 Manual Sports. Stock 17" w/ Bridgestone Potenza RE040 225/45 R17.
1200KM's. Pulling Right since day 1.

1- LXRY- 06 euro luxury (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts to the right 13000 klm
2 - cgspot-06 Euro Sport (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts to the right 2400klm
3- clowdz -06 Manual Sports. Stock 17" w/ Bridgestone Potenza RE040 225/45 R17.
1200KM's. Pulling Right since day 1

Let us know how you go cloudz.........good luck.

I am happy to report the problem has been fixed!

It was very weird driving the car on the way home as I kept trying to correct the pull which was no longer there! But I don't know how long it will stay like this as I've noticed a few people say the problem resurfaced a few thousand KM's after the wheel alignment (which is what I got). I'll report back if / when the problem returns... *fingers crossed*. :)

With only a slight right camber - drifts significantly to the right, particular at low speed. It's not so bad at higher freeway speeds on a straight camber.

Euro Sport with OEM Bridgestone REO40 17". 6300km

V205 - 05 Lux (17" Bridgestone RE040 225/45/17, 9300km, noticable self drift to the right).

Being the starter of this thread, I should point out that there's many ways to 'fix' this problem. I'm very wary of all the wrong ways and warn that it should only be done when the cause if definite. At this point, the subframe adjustment seems to be the most plausible.

Some of the wrong ways would be adjusting the camber or toe of the front tyres to cancel out the pull caused by a subframe issue. Or changing tyres.

I originally thought it may be tyres. But after reading this many others noticing the pull to the right, it's very unlikely for this many people to get a bad tyre in the same configuration that leads to pulling in the same direction.

Who was mentioning the centre of the front and back tyres of both sides could be different and that may be the cause? Is that the result of the subframe misalignment?

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1- LXRY- 06 euro luxury (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts to the right 13000 klm
2 - cgspot-06 Euro Sport (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts to the right 2400klm
3- clowdz -06 Manual Sports. Stock 17" w/ Bridgestone Potenza RE040 225/45 R17.
1200KM's. Pulling Right since day 1

Let us know how you go cloudz.........good luck.

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Seems to be a pattern occuring re: (17" Bridgestone RE040 225/45/17)???

1- LXRY- 06 euro luxury (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 13000 klm
2 - cgspot-06 Euro Sport (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 2400klm
3 - clowdz-06 Sports.(17" Bridgestone Potenza) Pulling Right day 1 1200KM's
4 - tanalasta - Euro Sport with (17" OEM Bridgestone) strong pull right 6300km
5 - V205 - 05 Lux (17" Bridgestone) , drift to the right, 9300km.

I Have 06 Lux Auto on standard rims and tyres. I never had the drifting problem but my seering wheel was not straight. The bottom spoke of the wheel was around about the 5 oclock position when the car was tracking dead straight. At the 1000 km service they adjusted the tie rods at the front and it is now perfect. Wheel is now dead centre and no drift or pulling.

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Seems to be a pattern occuring re: (17" Bridgestone RE040 225/45/17)???

1- LXRY- 06 euro luxury (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 13000 klm
2 - cgspot-06 Euro Sport (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 2400klm
3 - clowdz-06 Sports.(17" Bridgestone Potenza) Pulling Right day 1 1200KM's
4 - tanalasta - Euro Sport with (17" OEM Bridgestone) strong pull right 6300km
5 - V205 - 05 Lux (17" Bridgestone) , drift to the right, 9300km.

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I swapped my original tyres with Conti sport contact 2 from new and don't have any of the problems that you guys are talking about!!!Bridgestones look like the culprit!

I havent got bridgestones yet mine does it but its because mine is lowered

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I havent got bridgestones yet mine does it but its because mine is lowered

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Mine's lowered as well!Iv'e got approx.4800kms.

Mine (2006 Euro Sport) was drifting to the right from new. After the 1000 km service (after stuffing it up the first time), they adjusted the tie-rods which has now fixed the problem (at first I wasn't sure).

My new car now tracks nice and straight. Now if only I could get rid of the seatbelt beep...

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Mine (2006 Euro Sport) was drifting to the right from new. After the 1000 km service (after stuffing it up the first time), they adjusted the tie-rods which has now fixed the problem (at first I wasn't sure).

My new car now tracks nice and straight. Now if only I could get rid of the seatbelt beep...

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After getting my car lowered i,of course got a 4 wheel alignment.I think a good wheel alignment has a lot to do with eliminating the drifting issues that some of the guys are having.I think the alignment from the factory leaves a lot to be desired!!!!:honda:

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After getting my car lowered i,of course got a 4 wheel alignment.I think a good wheel alignment has a lot to do with eliminating the drifting issues that some of the guys are having.I think the alignment from the factory leaves a lot to be desired!!!!:honda:

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If it has something to do with the alignment from factory it would have done it straight away. Mine started at 4000klm's and dealership knew it wasn't alignment problem, I asked them to do it twice they assured me it wasn't alignment, plus it doesn't do it when it's on a straight road, runs perfectly straight on a straight road....only when road cambers.

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Originally Posted by Hoyle

Mine (2006 Euro Sport) was drifting to the right from new. After the 1000 km service (after stuffing it up the first time), they adjusted the tie-rods which has now fixed the problem (at first I wasn't sure).

My new car now tracks nice and straight. Now if only I could get rid of the seatbelt beep...

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how many klm's has your car done since it was fixed?

Lets hook in. Enough is enough. Where is this outstanding HA customer service? Sounds like a prophecy!

1- LXRY- 06 euro luxury (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 13000 klm
2 - cgspot-06 Euro Sport (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 2400klm
3 - clowdz-06 Sports.(17" Bridgestone Potenza) Pulling Right day 1 1200KM's
4 - tanalasta - Euro Sport with (17" OEM Bridgestone) strong pull right 6300km
5 - V205 - 05 Lux (17" Bridgestone) , drift to the right, 9300km.
6 - Woogler - 06 Euro sports (17" bridgestone potenza's) Pulls right since day one! 2700km's now.

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If it has something to do with the alignment from factory it would have done it straight away. Mine started at 4000klm's and dealership knew it wasn't alignment problem, I asked them to do it twice they assured me it wasn't alignment, plus it doesn't do it when it's on a straight road, runs perfectly straight on a straight road....only when road cambers.

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well what is wrong with the car then? It is perfectly normal for the car to follow the camber in the road.

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well what is wrong with the car then? It is perfectly normal for the car to follow the camber in the road.

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If I knew what was was wrong I would be helping everyone on this thread.
I'm not the only one in this thread with this problem.

If it was as simple as alignment wouldn't it pull ALL the time, camber or straight road? Like i said in one of my previous post's only when road cambers not on straight road tracks perfectly straight on straight road.

I seem to be able to turn right without turning my steering wheel when road cambers (turning right only, not left). This does not happen when I'm turning left, only right. I am always fighting my steering to the left, not my right, when road CAMBERS. I am no expert on alignment or camber, but I know it's not alignment (IMO). Dont you think if it was alignment problem that honda dealership would of done it? After all I'm paying for it. I've been twice and asked them to do an alignment they keep telling me my car doesn't need it(nothing wrong with it according to them).
I'm pretty sure that I've read other ppl have done alignments on their euro's with no success.

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Originally Posted by TwEigh

With my 18" my car drifted to the left
I have alligned my car 3 times (once at BOBjane, twice at Tyrepower), and still drift to the left untill i cant be bothered anymore..
Probably i will try to get it alligned at HONDA service centre later.

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My 06 Euro Sport has just barely reached 8,000kms and i'm now experiencing

slight drifting to the right.. i've taken it to get a wheel alignment, and the

checks have all come up clear.

running stock 17" 225s..

the thing is .. the car never use to drift to the right when i first purchased it..:thumbdwn:

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I'm not here to criticise anyone on whether i'm right or they're wrong this is about a problem alot of us have with our euro's only here to help ;)

[QUOTE=LXRY]
If it was as simple as alignment wouldn't it pull ALL the time, camber or straight road? Like i said in one of my previous post's only when road cambers not on straight road tracks perfectly straight on straight road.

I seem to be able to turn right without turning my steering wheel when road cambers (turning right only, not left). This does not happen when I'm turning left, only right. I am always fighting my steering to the left, not my right, when road CAMBERS. [QUOTE]

As also mentioned earlier - mine started veering to the right @ approx. 500Klm's, had a wheel rotation @ 1000Klm's which minimized the veer. Now again @ approx. 2000Klm's it's started up again.

Hard to steer to the left, easy to the right and it veer's to the right.
I know if I go back for a service I'll get the run around .... so with SIX of us now and maybe more, we might be getting close to really being able to isolate the problem??? But, I'm still no wiser on this issue.

Yes ... it's frustrating and disappointing

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If it was as simple as alignment wouldn't it pull ALL the time, camber or straight road? Like i said in one of my previous post's only when road cambers not on straight road tracks perfectly straight on straight road.

I seem to be able to turn right without turning my steering wheel when road cambers (turning right only, not left). This does not happen when I'm turning left, only right. I am always fighting my steering to the left, not my right, when road CAMBERS.

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As also mentioned earlier - mine started veering to the right @ approx. 500Klm's, had a wheel rotation @ 1000Klm's which minimized the veer. Now again @ approx. 2000Klm's it's started up again.

Hard to steer to the left, easy to the right and it veer's to the right.
I know if I go back for a service I'll get the run around .... so with SIX of us now and maybe more, we might be getting close to really being able to isolate the problem??? But, I'm still no wiser on this issue.

Yes ... it's frustrating and disappointing

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I think it's a combination of low profile tyres,tyre brand and possibly tyre pressure! and a good wheel alignment.My past exp with new cars(i've bought 6)is that the alignment(also steering wheel is not centred) is never right from the factory.I always get one done in the 1st week.that's all i can suggest:confused:

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If I knew what was was wrong I would be helping everyone on this thread.
I'm not the only one in this thread with this problem.

If it was as simple as alignment wouldn't it pull ALL the time, camber or straight road? Like i said in one of my previous post's only when road cambers not on straight road tracks perfectly straight on straight road.

I seem to be able to turn right without turning my steering wheel when road cambers (turning right only, not left). This does not happen when I'm turning left, only right. I am always fighting my steering to the left, not my right, when road CAMBERS. I am no expert on alignment or camber, but I know it's not alignment (IMO). Dont you think if it was alignment problem that honda dealership would of done it? After all I'm paying for it. I've been twice and asked them to do an alignment they keep telling me my car doesn't need it(nothing wrong with it according to them).
I'm pretty sure that I've read other ppl have done alignments on their euro's with no success.
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What I was getting at is there is nothing wrong with your car. If on a straight road the car goes straight - there is nothing wrong. The problem people are describing here is a PULL or DRIFT to either side on a perfectly flat road. It is normal for the Euro to follow the camber in the road - that is why you need to hold the steering wheel.

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What I was getting at is there is nothing wrong with your car. If on a straight road the car goes straight - there is nothing wrong. The problem people are describing here is a PULL or DRIFT to either side on a perfectly flat road. It is normal for the Euro to follow the camber in the road - that is why you need to hold the steering wheel.

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You sound like the mechanics at my dealerships...my tyres are worn only after 13000klm's, I hate my car now, will never buy a Honda again if it doesn't get fixed....You have to drive my car to understand what I mean and now i know I'm not the only one with this problem. You have to understand that my car was really bad before they done something to it at the dealership which sort of fixed it, sort of still doing it...Just for you I will go for a wheel alignment tomm. for the sake of saying I have done it. Frustrated and upset....

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You sound like the mechanics at my dealerships...my tyres are worn only after 13000klm's, I hate my car now, will never buy a Honda again if it doesn't get fixed....You have to drive my car to understand what I mean and now i know I'm not the only one with this problem. You have to understand that my car was really bad before they done something to it at the dealership which sort of fixed it, sort of still doing it...Just for you I will go for a wheel alignment tomm. for the sake of saying I have done it. Frustrated and upset....

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Any Luck?

My dealer service mgr said today that "Honda have now set a standard of acceptable drift. The car must move the distance of one full lane in less than 6 seconds to be seen as defective."

Mine does this, but if you get this lame excuse I suggest you engage the Department of fair trading. I intend to if the vehicle does not have the problem rectified.

I purchased this $40k+ vehicle with an expectation of quality. The truth is, I can buy a Korean rice burner for a fraction of the cost that steers perfectly straight! :thumbdwn:

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My dealer service mgr said today that "Honda have now set a standard of acceptable drift. The car must move the distance of one full lane in less than 6 seconds to be seen as defective."

Mine does this, but if you get this lame excuse I suggest you engage the Department of fair trading. I intend to if the vehicle does not have the problem rectified.

I purchased this $40k+ vehicle with an expectation of quality. The truth is, I can buy a Korean rice burner for a fraction of the cost that steers perfectly straight! :thumbdwn:

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I wonder if the figure of six seconds (at what speed?) was arrived at because six of us have the problem, in time with a few more complaints it might be increased to 8 seconds. I'm not sure I'd want to allow mine to drift for that long as the oncoming traffic would look somewhat daunting.
Did they say what can be done in any case?
Thanks

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My dealer service mgr said today that "Honda have now set a standard of acceptable drift. The car must move the distance of one full lane in less than 6 seconds to be seen as defective."

Mine does this, but if you get this lame excuse I suggest you engage the Department of fair trading. I intend to if the vehicle does not have the problem rectified.

I purchased this $40k+ vehicle with an expectation of quality. The truth is, I can buy a Korean rice burner for a fraction of the cost that steers perfectly straight! :thumbdwn:

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I agree Woogler still waiting for my car alignment, although I think I've wasted my money...I have filled out a safety report before (consumer affairs) but they can't chase it up until several reports have been made, I think we should set a day and call customer relations first, then if that doesn't work, safety report will work i guarentee this. I'll set the date if you all dont mind let's say Monday 18th sept, next week to call customer relations (Honda). Will post later when I get my car back from alignment...I am about to call my dealership again to try to rectify this problem...This is also a safety issue IMO

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You sound like the mechanics at my dealerships...my tyres are worn only after 13000klm's, I hate my car now, will never buy a Honda again if it doesn't get fixed....You have to drive my car to understand what I mean and now i know I'm not the only one with this problem. You have to understand that my car was really bad before they done something to it at the dealership which sort of fixed it, sort of still doing it...Just for you I will go for a wheel alignment tomm. for the sake of saying I have done it. Frustrated and upset....

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LXRY - perhaps you can describe your problem in more detail. If your car steers straight on a flat road it is a different issue to what other people are experiencing in this thread. Are you saying your car drifts off the road on a slanted road? If it does - that does not sound abnormal. If I was you and still concerned I would ask the dealership to loan you another Euro at the dealership and take it for a long drive. See if it is any different.

If you do get a wheel alignment get a laser alignment and a print out of the cars specifications.

Woogler - re that 6 second lane change business - I got the same story from my dealership when I raised it in early 2004. I wonder why you guys are all reporting a drift to the right - mine was a drift to the left. Weird.

All those with the problem have to differentiate between tramlining and drifting (not the sport).
Tramlining is when the car pulls to the side when going over grooves, road camber or even little potholes on the road. When accelerating, this is enhanced even more. When the road is perfect and straight, your car tracks straight while only needing your hand to be resting on the wheel. If this is what you experience, then it is a normal trait of the Euros.

Drifting on the other hand is the car pulling itself to the left or right when you are on a perfectly flat road with no surface defects and just resting your hand on the wheel is not enough to prevent the slight direction change.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

All those with the problem have to differentiate between tramlining and drifting (not the sport).
Tramlining is when the car pulls to the side when going over grooves, road camber or even little potholes on the road. When accelerating, this is enhanced even more. When the road is perfect and straight, your car tracks straight while only needing your hand to be resting on the wheel. If this is what you experience, then it is a normal trait of the Euros.

Drifting on the other hand is the car pulling itself to the left or right when you are on a perfectly flat road with no surface defects and just resting your hand on the wheel is not enough to prevent the slight direction change.

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Well said - LXRY tyres have the biggest impact on tramlining. If your tyres are heavily worn or worn unevenly that could make tramlining much worse.

Read these two articles, covers everything I think

http://autospeed.drive.com.au/cms/ar...ml?&A=0879&P=1

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=47

Are the bridgestones on the Lux model asymmetrical? Most companies don't make a left and right tyre for asymmetrical models. So when you look at these brands of tyres (like pirelli dragons), the thread is not mirrored for the left and right side tyres.

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Originally Posted by yfin

LXRY - perhaps you can describe your problem in more detail. If your car steers straight on a flat road it is a different issue to what other people are experiencing in this thread. Are you saying your car drifts off the road on a slanted road? If it does - that does not sound abnormal. If I was you and still concerned I would ask the dealership to loan you another Euro at the dealership and take it for a long drive. See if it is any different.

If you do get a wheel alignment get a laser alignment and a print out of the cars specifications.

Woogler - re that 6 second lane change business - I got the same story from my dealership when I raised it in early 2004. I wonder why you guys are all reporting a drift to the right - mine was a drift to the left. Weird.

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yfin I had and still do have the same problem as all these guys...my car was drifting right even on a straight road VERY,VERY BADLY!! at 4000-5000klm's At the 10,000klm service they (dealership) adjusted something don't know what it was to try to fix the problem. When I got my car back my steering wheel was at 12:15 and still drifting to the right but not as much, but still there!! went back the second time straight away!! and they told me nothing wrong (adjusted my steering wheel) now still pulling slightly to the right, steering wheel at 11:55 now lol (they couldn't even do that properly) tyres are worn on the outside edges. I asked them to do an alignment twice they assured me it wasn't alignment. Now if there was no problem why would I be complaining, I am an excellant driver as I was brought up on a farm, driving tractors, forklifts, trucks, paddock bombs and semi trailers have drove a wide range of vehicles through out my life I am no expert in alignment or camber I uunderstand that if the road cambers that you will get some degree of drift but our situattion is not normal. I should know if my car pulls to the right that there is something wrong and I know when something is wrong...and something is wrong. I feel as if i've just been repeatig my self lol..I'm not alone on this one yfin please offer some suggestions to help us plz

Am I asking for too much I thought I bought an engineering marvel THE HONDA EURO ACCORD from a company that THRIVES on PERFECTION and QUALITY STANDARD, HONDA. It seems that this is not the case at the moment...they can't even give us answers on this subject, not too mention i bought a NEW car....Don't get me wrong I love the car that's y i bought it..

My tractor drives straighter than my car !!

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yfin I had and still do have the same problem as all these guys...my car was drifting right even on a straight road VERY,VERY BADLY!! at 4000-5000klm's At the 10,000klm service they (dealership) adjusted something don't know what it was to try to fix the problem. When I got my car back my steering wheel was at 12:15 and still drifting to the right but not as much, but still there!! went back the second time straight away!! and they told me nothing wrong (adjusted my steering wheel) now still pulling slightly to the right, steering wheel at 11:55 now lol (they couldn't even do that properly) tyres are worn on the outside edges. I asked them to do an alignment twice they assured me it wasn't alignment. Now if there was no problem why would I be complaining, I am an excellant driver as I was brought up on a farm, driving tractors, forklifts, trucks, paddock bombs and semi trailers have drove a wide range of vehicles through out my life I am no expert in alignment or camber I uunderstand that if the road cambers that you will get some degree of drift but our situattion is not normal. I should know if my car pulls to the right that there is something wrong and I know when something is wrong...and something is wrong. I feel as if i've just been repeatig my self lol..I'm not alone on this one yfin please offer some suggestions to help us plz

Am I asking for too much I thought I bought an engineering marvel THE HONDA EURO ACCORD from a company that THRIVES on PERFECTION and QUALITY STANDARD, HONDA. It seems that this is not the case at the moment...they can't even give us answers on this subject, not too mention i bought a NEW car....Don't get me wrong I love the car that's y i bought it..

My tractor drives straighter than my car !!

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Get a laser alignment done by a tyre place. Get the results for camber and toe printed out straight from their computer. If it is out of spec, bring a copy of that to the dealer and complain about it. Otherwise, it is some other inherent problem.

Camber
Front 0°00'±45'
Rear -1°00'±30'

Total Toe
Front 0±2 mm
Rear IN 2±2 mm

Your said your tyres are worn unevenly now LXRY so it is may be very hard to correct this without changing tyres.

If I was in your position I would be going to a tyre shop and explaining the issue. I would get the tyres rebalanced (around $30) and a laser alignment done (if you buy something else - eg a rebalance - some shops will not charge you for the alignment unless the lasers show the car is out of specification).

If that doesn't work I would try the rims and tyres from another Euro and see how the car drives (eg a friend or if you are REALLY persistent the dealer may help you with this).

And of course your tractor is going to steer straighter than the Euro on rough surfaces - look how soft the sidewalls are on those tyres.

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Originally Posted by aaronng

Get a laser alignment done by a tyre place. Get the results for camber and toe printed out straight from their computer. If it is out of spec, bring a copy of that to the dealer and complain about it. Otherwise, it is some other inherent problem.

Camber
Front 0°00'±45'
Rear -1°00'±30'

Total Toe
Front 0±2 mm
Rear IN 2±2 mm

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Is that what it should be set at aarong? Are these the settings my car should be at?

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Is that what it should be set at aarong? Are these the settings my car should be at?

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That's the settings for a stock Euro that is NOT lowered. Camber can't be adjusted without a replacement upper arm or aftermarket camber kits.

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Originally Posted by yfin

Your said your tyres are worn unevenly now LXRY so it is may be very hard to correct this without changing tyres.

If I was in your position I would be going to a tyre shop and explaining the issue. I would get the tyres rebalanced (around $30) and a laser alignment done (if you buy something else - eg a rebalance - some shops will not charge you for the alignment unless the lasers show the car is out of specification).

If that doesn't work I would try the rims and tyres from another Euro and see how the car drives (eg a friend or if you are REALLY persistent the dealer may help you with this).

And of course your tractor is going to steer straighter than the Euro on rough surfaces - look how soft the sidewalls are on those tyres.

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Yfin I bought a new car with new car warranty, thats why I bought a new car so I wouldn't have to worry about any problems, dealership or honda should be taking care of this, I shouldn't have to touch anything!! It has only done 13000 klm's.

Are you working for Honda?

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Originally Posted by aaronng

All those with the problem have to differentiate between tramlining and drifting (not the sport).
Tramlining is when the car pulls to the side when going over grooves, road camber or even little potholes on the road. When accelerating, this is enhanced even more. When the road is perfect and straight, your car tracks straight while only needing your hand to be resting on the wheel. If this is what you experience, then it is a normal trait of the Euros.

Drifting on the other hand is the car pulling itself to the left or right when you are on a perfectly flat road with no surface defects and just resting your hand on the wheel is not enough to prevent the slight direction change.

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Hi Aaronng
Just wondering what you mean here by (not the sport)?
Thanx

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Originally Posted by LXRY

Yfin I bought a new car with new car warranty, thats why I bought a new car so I wouldn't have to worry about any problems, dealership or honda should be taking care of this, I shouldn't have to touch anything!! It has only done 13000 klm's.

Are you working for Honda?

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I doubt he works for Honda. BTW, he's also right in that if your tyres are worn unevenly, they would cause drifting.

Going to the dealership now will let u guyz know how I went wish me luck....as for the alignment it isn't laser DAMN I stuffed up....

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Originally Posted by cgspot

Hi Aaronng
Just wondering what you mean here by (not the sport)?
Thanx

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LOL, drifting is a sport. Sliding the car through the corners using controlled understeering in an oversteering position. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drifting_(motorsport)

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LOL, drifting is a sport. Sliding the car through the corners using controlled understeering in an oversteering position. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drifting_(motorsport)

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ok gotcha, I didn't go and see the movie
Just thought you might have meant the Euro Sport
Ill go back and drift to the right

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Originally Posted by LXRY

Going to the dealership now will let u guyz know how I went wish me luck....as for the alignment it isn't laser DAMN I stuffed up....

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What were the readings?

Just got back supposedly my car was not ready yet, something suss.

I hope they really fix it p!ssn me off. They said it'll be ready tommorow..

Do the dealerships have laser alignment or normal?

If laser hasn't been done I am going to do laser too just to be sure.
Will post again tomm. stay tuned ppl....

This gonna cost me....gonna be broke :(

Hey,

The dealer says its all about the tyres (according to the prophecy..lol). They have ordered 2 new ones for me and they will be fitted next week.

The speed for the drift into other lanes was not detailed.

I agree with LXRY! We all buy a new car for many reasons. The aesthetics, warranty and the supposed reliability. This is an issue which destroys the driving experience for me and I am very dissapointed with my purchase. I consider this a safety issue because the car takes me into oncoming traffic if I let go of the wheel!

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Originally Posted by LXRY

Yfin I bought a new car with new car warranty, thats why I bought a new car so I wouldn't have to worry about any problems, dealership or honda should be taking care of this, I shouldn't have to touch anything!! It has only done 13000 klm's.

Are you working for Honda?

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No I don't work for Honda - I have been through a similar (but not same issue - it was a drift to the left) experience over 2 years ago. I understand your frustration! :thumbsup: I tried to get it fixed by a dealer. Initially I was told 'wheel alignments' are not included in the warranty, and I was made to feel like they were doing me a huge favour when they agreed to check the alignment at a measly 4000km. I was subsequently told about this 6 second rule on the freeway, blah, blah. Eventually I ditched the Honda dealers as every subsequent Honda dealer I went to (not that many - maybe 5) did not have laser alignment machines. The manual Honda alignments were crap - just like you experienced (the steering wheel was off or the car went in the other direction, etc).

Yes your car is still under warranty but as you said earlier your tyres are now worn unevenly. It is going to be hard to prevent some change in direction now the tyres are all over the place. Even if you get a laser alignment I am not hopeful it will solve the issue if your tyres look crap. As for the cost - get your tyres rotated every 5000km (I get mine balanced as well with alignments every 10-15,000k). To me that is the cost of owning the car and is well worth it if you want to avoid shredding tyres in 13,000kms.

As for how to fix this - I have suggested all I can. The problem is solved on my Euro as stated earlier but there are so many changed variables in my set up now I can't pinpoint for you what made the difference (different suspension set up, wider rims, wider and non-directional tyres with a higher and softer sidewall, a number of regular laser alignments, strut brace, etc). A change to non-directional tyres certainly did help reduce tramlining - I know that for sure.

1- LXRY- 06 euro luxury (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 13000 klm
2 - cgspot-06 Euro Sport (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 2400klm
3 - clowdz-06 Sports.(17" Bridgestone Potenza) Pulling Right day 1 1200KM's
4 - tanalasta - Euro Sport with (17" OEM Bridgestone) strong pull right 6300km
5 - V205 - 05 Lux (17" Bridgestone) , drift to the right, 9300km.
6 - Woogler - 06 Euro sports (17" bridgestone potenza's) Pulls right since day one! 2700km's now.

Date changed to Wednesday 20th sept. if anyone cant call on this day for any reason just say the word and we change the date as we need all of us to work together for this one....

Well,i might as well add my car to the list, although i dont know what the chances would be of Honda doing anything for me as i swapped my 16" Std wheels for a set of 17" Honda Sport wheels with Potenzas when both sets had done the same milage(approx 7,000kms).I immediately noticed the car drifting right in well under this 6 secs people are talking about. Had the alignment checked and told it was all in spec.The car has done 10,500kms now and i think its gotten worse.Just for the hell of it two weeks ago i put my old 16" wheels with the non directional Dunlops on the front and went for a short run to see the result(with the 17"still on the back btw).Went down the exact same wide flat road,and guess what....no drift either way,just like it was before i added the Potenzas into the mix.
Just a bit of history here...back in the early 80's Ford produced LTD's and Fairlanes at Eagle Farm here in Bris,and i worked there.At the time there was a brand of tyre being used on them called the Uniroyal, i think from memory.
We had no end of problems with the tyre,mainly balance issues, but if i can recall, Ford had no luck getting Uniroyal to fess up and change all the dud tyres.Uniroyal stuck doggedly to their side of the story and the dealers were left carrying the can.I later worked for Mitsubishi, and they had the exact same issue with the tyre on the Sigma,and Uniroyal stonewalled on the issue with them too.Mabye they should have listened, as that tyre brand went out of existence a few years later.......Moral of the story.....dont hold our collective breaths waiting for Honda to get Bridgestone to admit any fault with the tyre.
Anyway,i'm all for calling Honda on mass next week if thats still on.

Wednesday is good for me, Thanks for all the info on Tramtracking etc My car sure does tramtrack but it also veers to the right lane in less than 6sec on a flat new road, it does veer more at different speeds but I havn't worked all of that out yet, I'm sick of counting to 6.
I felt like I should take it back in again before I call, but am not sure if that is going to achieve anything at this stage except the run around, havn't got the time for that at the moment.
By the look of the number of hits on this thread I can't help but wonder if Honda's people of influence are monitoring, if so they know about this :wave: I think its the tyres but I'm no expert, I just hope that after we bring this common issue to their attention formally, that they might get back to us with a solution.

1- LXRY- 06 euro luxury (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 13000 klm
2 - cgspot-06 Euro Sport (17" bridgestone potenza's) drifts right 2400klm
3 - clowdz-06 Sports.(17" Bridgestone Potenza) Pulling Right day 1 1200KM's
4 - tanalasta - Euro Sport with (17" OEM Bridgestone) strong pull right 6300km
5 - V205 - 05 Lux (17" Bridgestone) , drift to the right, 9300km.
6 - Woogler - 06 Euro sports (17" bridgestone potenza's) Pulls right since day one! 2700km's now.
7 - Avid - 06 Euro (17" bridgestone potenza's) Pulls right 10,500klms

Anyone happen to have the right phone number direct to whichever section at Honda handles customer issues.We would be more effective if we all called the exact same people.
Even better still, if we had their email address(or the Honda Aus CEO's, lol)and followed up the call with an email letter,then that would be harder for them to go into denial mode.Has anyone ever been in contact with Honda via email? If you've got their address,how about posting it??
Just a final thought,i notice there seems to be no complaints from those Euro Lux owners who were lucky enough to get a car with the 17" Pirelli P Zero's !!!!!

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Anyone happen to have the right phone number direct to whichever section at Honda handles customer issues.We would be more effective if we all called the exact same people.
Even better still, if we had their email address(or the Honda Aus CEO's, lol)and followed up the call with an email letter,then that would be harder for them to go into denial mode.Has anyone ever been in contact with Honda via email? If you've got their address,how about posting it??
Just a final thought,i notice there seems to be no complaints from those Euro Lux owners who were lucky enough to get a car with the 17" Pirelli P Zero's !!!!!

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The only Customer service Freecall Number I know is 1800 804 954
Is this the best number to call?

Sounds to me like it may specificially be caused by the uni-directional RE040.

Has anyone here tried different tyres in 17" or 18" and the problem went away?

I sure miss the good old Yokohama A509.....


EDIT: Strange that none of the 16" owners have this issue... MUST BE THE TYRES!

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Sounds to me like it may specificially be caused by the uni-directional RE040.

Has anyone here tried different tyres in 17" or 18" and the problem went away?

I sure miss the good old Yokohama A509.....


EDIT: Strange that none of the 16" owners have this issue... MUST BE THE TYRES!

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I've changed my Bridgestones to Conti sport contact 2s from new.i now have 5900kms. on mine now and it doesn't drift at all!I think it's the tyres.I've never been a fan of bridgestones(mind you i'm no expert)you need to talk to a GOOD wheel aligner who knows his stuff.apparently you can adjust something (subframe!ithink)which can alter the way the car tracks.i don't know.Anyone in Sydney south i can give you a good contact for lowering and alignment etc.Tynan Tyres.Daniel.ph.95459333.these guys are really good.anyway.good luck to all of you with this problem.

Got my car back after the alignment(laser) told me was out by miles which didn't surprise me..as soon as i left the alignment place noticed steering wheel was at 12:10 went back to tell them they couldnt believe this they drove and checked it and i was right...they took it back again to fix this by putting it back on the machine...suppossedly fixed again, drove off again round the corner only to find steering wheel was not staright again, went back again still couldn't starighten it (steering still out, not by much but not staright) they couldn't explain to me why my steering waas out. And oh yeah still drifts to the right but not as bad. They also rotated my tires...called my honda dealer spoke to the sale rep who sold me the car explained to him what had happened in full detail told me to call on monday, said that they would look into it even if they had to get someone from honda aust. to come down. will post results of my alignment later on tonight as i'm very busy now sorry. emailing them is a good idea too as this is a hard copy and can't deny they got them....$110 down the drain....my dealers mechanic was right whaen he said it's not an alignment problem.....

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Got my car back after the alignment(laser) told me was out by miles which didn't surprise me..as soon as i left the alignment place noticed steering wheel was at 12:10 went back to tell them they couldnt believe this they drove and checked it and i was right...they took it back again to fix this by putting it back on the machine...suppossedly fixed again, drove off again round the corner only to find steering wheel was not staright again, went back again still couldn't starighten it (steering still out, not by much but not staright) they couldn't explain to me why my steering waas out. And oh yeah still drifts to the right but not as bad. They also rotated my tires...called my honda dealer spoke to the sale rep who sold me the car explained to him what had happened in full detail told me to call on monday, said that they would look into it even if they had to get someone from honda aust. to come down. will post results of my alignment later on tonight as i'm very busy now sorry. emailing them is a good idea too as this is a hard copy and can't deny they got them....$110 down the drain....my dealers mechanic was right whaen he said it's not an alignment problem.....

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At least your $110 got the attention of your dealer now. :thumbsup:

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At least your $110 got the attention of your dealer now. :thumbsup:

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Very true aaronng but I only did this as a process of elimination cause everyone kept on about alignment, thats all...:thumbsup: I even played with my tire pressures to see if thta made any difference

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Sounds to me like it may specificially be caused by the uni-directional RE040.
EDIT: Strange that none of the 16" owners have this issue... MUST BE THE TYRES!

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Have just read some of this thread, so sorry if this has already been said: These symptoms are well known when running Bridgestones - tramlining starts after ~5,000kms and gets worse as the tyres wear. I've had 3 sets of Bridgestones and each has tramlined terribly. I've just replaced my Liberty's RE030s with Michelin Pilot Preceda 2s and the improvement in tracking is huge. On the Bridgestones my car tramlined like a hound dog on speed. Now it tracks straight and true. No more Bridgestones for me.
SS

I just had my car serviced and Honda did a wheel balance and wheel alignment (I suppose non-laser). Also swapped tyres around.

The car now seems to tramline even worse, and bump steer is even more apparent when one tyre is non-level to the other one, such as going through a pothole or a speed hump. Feels like the car could steer onto oncoming traffic by itself.... need to constantly fight the wheel.

Luckily, on a flat road I don't seem to have a drifting problem. Hmmm...

When people have the drift-to-right problem on the flat road - can I ask, if their foot is on the accelerator? Does it do the same when you're just letting it cruise or going downhill? I think we could work something from here? :(

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Have just read some of this thread, so sorry if this has already been said: These symptoms are well known when running Bridgestones - tramlining starts after ~5,000kms and gets worse as the tyres wear. I've had 3 sets of Bridgestones and each has tramlined terribly. I've just replaced my Liberty's RE030s with Michelin Pilot Preceda 2s and the improvement in tracking is huge. On the Bridgestones my car tramlined like a hound dog on speed. Now it tracks straight and true. No more Bridgestones for me.
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Very interesting splashalot2000. Inspired me to do a google search for "Tramlining Bridgestones", try it, looks like a common problem with the amount of negative feedback you can find.

Also an interesting point about the downhill/acceleration issue Omotesando, as I was counting to 6sec, over and over, the drift to the right was worse while accelerating gently, not as noticable while cruising or going downhill.
Is this the same all round?