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...Which CL models that he was talking about, well, I would be inclined to think CL7.
And again, your inclination is poorly founded. It is more likely that the person who wrote the article was ignorant of the difference between the CL7 and CL9 at the time he wrote it, otherwise he wouldn't have spoken of a Japanese AND European Euro R.
Besides, the idea that Honda would make the luxury-oriented 'sports' sedan that is the TSX stiffer than the much more overtly sporty R, which is deprived of luxuries like leather interior, and has Recaro semi-racing seats, Momo leather steering wheel, and a peaky and very loud 2.0 engine, is quite illogical on its own.
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Who would compare CL1 and CL7 suspension stiffness if they were different 2 different chassis?
Since you are the one that suggested that that is what they were doing, why don't you tell me?
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I would give more credibility to vtec.net than to the things that you are claiming here about whiteline.
You are quite entitled to. But don't go telling me that I base my judgments on perceptions while you base yours on fact. You certainly know less about me than I do about Whiteline and vtec.net, not to mention the fact that the lack of credibility of the vtec.net article is quite apparent even for the birds and bees.
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Oh.. now you're claiming that he is lying? Wow.. :confused:
No, I said he is EITHER lying OR misquoting. I therefore clearly inferred that I am not in a position to make a definitive claim. There's a big difference. You really do need to polish up your reading comprehension skills.
In any case, what is important is that the statement he attributed to a Honda engineer could not be true, since it doesn't make sense and a Honda engineer would not be clueless enough to make it.
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I do hope that I have reading problems.
It's really not something to aspire to.
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At least I can fix my reading problems.
You'll need to try a lot harder. Start by reading things in their proper context.
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Ok, from these 2 posts that you made, I understand that your 'expert advisor' is the one that you ordered your Mugen suspension from. That I'm sure 100%
What on earth is your point?
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Up to here I'm 100% certain that you are still talking about the same person.
And?
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Then in post #49, you rebutt some other posters comment about the person being a Mugen expert and then after that you say "he was good and experienced enough to tell me that it's much heavier than Japanese makes, like Swift for instance, and that Whiteline's development budget, manufacturing and quality control standards are well below Honda's standards and below the key JDM tuners' budgets and standards."
Please tell me that in these 4 posts that you are talking about the same person.
What if I am?
I hope you realise that you don't have to be a Mugen expert to sell and fit Mugen suspension (in addition to other brands).
And I hope you also realise that just because I say sarcastically that somebody was 'expert' enough to know about Whiteline's "development budget, manufacturing and quality control standards" being below Honda's and below key JDM tuners' does not necessarily mean that this 'expert' is the only available source for such information. In fact, if you read my other posts on this thread before trying to make smart remarks you would have realised that I did refer to other relevant sources of information.
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That's a pretty strong sweeping statement you are making there. You do know that in terms of rear swaybars for the Euro, Whiteline spends more money than Mugen, right? Since Whiteline has developed one while Mugen hasn't (i.e. has spent $0 on development of the rear sway).
What the hell do you think you can prove with that statement?
Do you realise that the first thing to do when developing an existing car's suspension is to test it thoroughly and decide what it needs? Do you realise that it is possible to decide at the end of such testing that a bigger rear swaybar isn't needed? Or to 'develop' a bigger swaybar and then once you've developed a coilover set for the car to decide that the bigger swaybar is not worth producing? Do you realise that thorough testing can be a much bigger expense than simply taking Honda's swaybar, copying its shape, but increasing its diameter by 4mm and producing it with the same material and production methods that you use on all your other swaybars (for all different brands of cars)?
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Isn't your statement above
also a guess without reference to a factual premise and just based on your basic understanding of business, basic comparative knowledge of international automotive engineering and manufacturing stanadards, of the Australian automotive market ,of the fact that the Japanese market for modifying Japanese cars is much more competitive?
No, but you can call it a guess if you wish. It would still be a much more educated guess than yours.
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I did say that they had the same strut brace. And yes I was proven wrong by the photo of the strut brace that was welded for a different angle in the TSX photo that you pointed out. So I'm asking you, what does it signify. Does it make the TSX strut less stiff? Does it compromise the durability because of the weld? Gee, if I could answer that, then why would I be asking your opinion on it? I have not read articles on welding up a strut brace.
You made a statement that they were the same so as to prove that they are both made and fitted in Japan. Now that this statement is proven to have been false, you need other evidence to show that they are both made and fitted in Japan. You get the significance now? Of course yo do. Otherwise you would not have made the statement in the first place, right?
Btw, sorry about what you perceive as attacks but I'm only going along with the tone you've set. If you are going to try to ridicule what I've said, you better be prepared to have your own statements ridiculed when you start tripping over yourself. Don't you think that's quite fair?:)
