Ahh, another satisfied LoveFab customer. I had no idea he was so international.
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Ahh, another satisfied LoveFab customer. I had no idea he was so international.
If I knew that it was going to take this long to make a manifold I could have shipped one in from LoveFab too, I emailed Cody and he quoted me two weeks, my car has been off the road now for four and still no sign of the manifold. The most frustrating thing is that I can't even get a date for when it will be ready, all I get is "probably next week".Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
I'm picking my car back up tomorrow and will take it back once this part is finally finished.
That's the way of things in the auto industry. I expect Adrian has a fabricator giving him the same story: Real Soon Now.
And just so you know, Cody quoted me two weeks and six weeks later it arrived. Can't fault it though. It was one of the early production models.
I think Adrian is getting as frustrated as me with the time it's taking, or maybe hes frustrated with me on his back all the time :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
But I guess he's used to these sorts of delays, whereas I'm not. The bottom line is that I can't be without my car anymore, it's just too inconvenient.
finally the manifold is ready. All being well I'll be picking the car up on wednesday. Let's hope there are no more issues.
Hooray!
But aim for Friday. Less disappointment that way.
I'll call Adrian tomorrow and might take my car down for a tune. That way he can do two at once.
I'm down there on Wednesday for a tune. Whatever we end up with should be a good starting point for the tune on your car as our systems are very similar.
I was hoping to pick it up wednesday, so maybe mine will get done first. How often do you need to get retunes?Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
Keep them fingers crossed.
You need to get a retune everytime you add an enlarged throttle body and bigger injectors. ;)
Seriously, with a good tune and especially if you're using a wideband with AFR feedback correction you really should only need to tune once. Of course if you tune on a hot humid day the tune won't be ideal for a cold dry day so some tweaking for the best compromise is possible.
BTW, what exhaust are you using?
Everything on my car is stock, except the turbo kit, injectors and EMS.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
Ok, but that exhaust will strangle you a bit. I'm running 3" straight through with a high flow cat.
just wanted to say i carn't wait for this car to be finished i wanna see the difference in power, good luck with it all hope it actually does finish on wednesday. I am trying to sell the car i am driving now so i can start looking for a s2000 :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
I see. Does the exhaust make that much difference? I guess that's something I can look at further down the line.
you would need to tune again once you fit exhaust.
on stock turbo cars performance increases significantly with just an aftermarket exhaust system
It's a bad combo having a big non-BB turbo and small exhaust. It'll slow your spool and choke you up top. Don't get me wrong, it'll still be ballistic, but not what it could be. A smaller BB turbo like a GT2871 would spool nicely and not be so big to really need a bigber exhaust. Or a bigger BB turbo like a GT3071 or GT35 and a free flowing exhaust will massively improve your top end.
My turbo is a T04E/T3 Hybrid Turbo (quoted from rev hard's website), I remember Adrian commenting that it was physically quite big when he first saw it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
At least I know that I will be able to improve the performance still further by simply having a larger exhaust fitted, and I'm sure that "Ballistic" will keep me happy for a little while.. :)
T4/3 hybrids are ideal for the S but are a top end turbo. Hitting VTEC will feel like a mule kicking you in the back.
Interesting analogy... Although I'm not sure if that's a good thing or bad. I am assuming good in a bad wayQuote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
You'll like it. Just be careful when making sudden overtaking moves. It'll like to light up the tyres.
well i am guessing u can keep your fuel consumption down as long as you keep it in the low revs thats a good thing about it, i thought the turbo might love to spool early which would see you going to the fuel station a bit more.
It's not whether or not the turbo spools, but whether or not you have the throttle open.
There is also the argument that with more low end torque you often drive in a higher gear (lower revs) than NA. This could theoretically make you more fuel efficient. But he reality is that you don't spend thousands ona turbo then compalin about fuel economy.
How often do you see two turbo S2000s in the same room?
http://s2000.byteserve.com.au/today/Picture(20).jpg
Close up of Steve's beast:
http://s2000.byteserve.com.au/today/Picture(21).jpg
Mine on the dyno:
http://s2000.byteserve.com.au/today/Picture(22).jpg
dam looking goooooooooood
Any power figures?
We're still at around 213Kw. We were tuning for midrange today.
Once we get the boost control sorted we will experiment with more power, but they may wait until I install the new block.
That's the first time I've seen my car for five weeks! But it put a big smile on my face :)
Did it have the big dent in the back when you dropped it off?
Just f%#@n' with ya!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
You are an evil man
I resemble that comment.
around 125kw atw to 213kw atw ?
I know of Vortech making kits for s2000 www.capa.com.au
They're more like 130-135rwKw stock I think but otherwise! :thumbsup:
Vortech and Comptech kits are old news. I had a Comptech for a year and a half before going turbo.
There is a new kit from BPR that uses a positive displacement SC so is closer to competing with a turbo. But it won't fit RHD.
wouldnt it be better if you put a blower on it couse its V-Tec
sorry to go offtopic but 00UCH do you own a r32 GTR
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by 00UCH
And how is that relevant?Quote:
couse its V-Tec
When you say blower I assume you mean 'crank driven supercharger' as opposed to 'exhaust turbine driven supercharger' or turbocharger.
The commonly available SCs for the S2000 are crank driven but have a centrifugal compressor. So they have the bad characteristics of both TCs and SCs in one. Their boost is dependant on speed and their speed is proportinal to the engine. So if you can only handle 6 psi at redline (9000rpm) then you'll only have about 3psi if that at 4500. And you always have parasitic drag on the engine.
Turbos are better because if properly sized you can have good boost early in the rev range and then cap it at that level all the way to redline. Mine hits 7psi at 3200 and stays there all the way to 9200. And if I want more anywhere along the curve I can control it via the AEM EMS.
The BPR SC is a positive displacement SC. so every revolution it provide a set amount of compressed air from idle to redline (there are some losses and inefficiencies up top but nothing major. It's a very nice set up but still not as controllable as the turbo.
Where VTEC comes into it I haven't got a clue.
interesting thread :)
Its definatly the way of the auto industry - *it'll be done tomorrow*
dun worrie it will be finished either tomorrow and or monday........i recon you will get 180ish @ wheels then 200 with a 3inch zorst.
but then again what do i know
james
exactly james, what would u know :p jk brudda :)
pm me how things are going
You really have to work on cars yourself to understand the flexible schedules. It's amazing the stupid things that pop up and take a ridiculous amounts of time. When I did my clutch I stuffed a couple of the drive shaft bolts. I ordered them from Honda and they took two weeks!
Contray. The automotive instrusty is dictated by dollar. I have had experience with very few people who have not given priority to someone else who is offering 'more' money. No a first come, first servied basis. It seems as though there is very little thought given to customer service and the idioligy that 'there will always be another (customer)' is flawed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
As a customer, you think your money is just as good as the other mans. Alas, just because you dropped 10k on some work, dont think you will be given any sort of priority.
There's certainly some truth in that. But in the case of Steve's car I expect Toda are as anxious to get it finished and invoiced as Steve is to drive it. I expect it would be pretty high on the priority list.
After a mild heart attack on friday when Adrian told me that my EMS was shagged, there has been some good progress over the weekend. I popped over to Ingleburn on Saturday and to my relief found that the EMS hadn't worked because my car's battery had gone flat. :)
The car is now running and was taken to the workshop down the road to have some welding done on the piping. Once that is done, it will go on the Dyno. So all being well it should be tuned tomorrow.
I think Adrian will be very happy to see the back of my car. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
My car will be ready for collection tomorrow. It has been on the dyno today and Adrian will be finishing it off in the morning. :) :) :)
Noice! :thumbsup:
so what happened ? did Mr Norton get round to it today...... im very interest to see how it all turns out with minimal exhaust mods.
james
Well... I only know what I'm told, and Celia told me that it will be out the door today. No power figures or anything yet because I haven't spoken to Adrian. So watch this space!Quote:
Originally Posted by superR
Waiting patiently...........HURRY UP! :mad:
After six weeks anticipation, I finally got to drive a turbocharged S2000.. My turbocharged S2000!! And it is awesome. Adrian had some issues tuning it, most of which went about 10 metres above my head. But the final consistant power @rw was 184 kw (it was 134 in stock form). So a 50kw gain with the stock exhaust system.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
The best part is that it is really quiet and the only sign that it is not stock is pssst from under the bonnet when I floor it.
If anyone was on the M5 around 18:30 and saw a silverstone blurr- that was me :)
3" zorst time....oh and who predicted the power output? lol
congrats man.....vtec turbo is awesome
Yes I did think of you when Adrian said 184kw. Strange thing is that I don't notice the VTEC anymore, the torque is pretty constant right up to redline from around 3000 rpm. I think Adrian said that VTEC is coming in at 7000rpm now, but I can't tell because once it gets to 7000 it zips to redline in a fraction of a second.Quote:
Originally Posted by superR
It gets really really hot in the footwell i notice, you could have had a BBQ on the turbo after 90 minutes of driving. I've also lost the stock oil cooller/heater
because that's what the Revhard kit required (the oil filter has been repositioned). So the next job is to get that and the temperature guage sorted (AEM EMS can't drive the temperature guage for some reason). I've got the driver for the temp guage from the US, and Adrian will sort the Oil cooling issue for me in a few weeks.
The main reason you 'feel' VTEC is that the power is dropping off before it. Witht he turbo you have good usuable power throughout the range so there is no real noticable changeover.
dude that oil relocation kit you got allows for an oil cooler to be put on......its hell easy man ..... just ge adrian to hook you up with all the gear dude.
oh and ps , looksa awesome where they put the oil filter now doesnt it. lol
I'm going to fit that display driver today, any advice?Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
Double and triple check the wires before install. It's pretty tight and dark under the dash. If you need a hand you're welcome to come over to my 'workshop'. Don't forget the Brokenwood. ;)
Cheers, but electrical stuff I'm ok with. I'll save the brokenwood for anything that requires spanners. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
Damn, I was hoping for an excuse to get out of work.
The instructions are pretty good. Just follow them but pretend there is a steering wheel in the way.
BTW, do you have an extension harness or is the AEM connected directly to the loom?
Directly to the loom, it was a bit fiddley to get it to sit nicely, so they had to cut a space underneath the passanger footwell polystyrene footplate.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
Bugger. Make sure you have a good lamp and a contortionist. Actually having a contortionist is always a good idea.
did you re-program yours or use the default settings?Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
Default. It shows three bars like standard at normal temp. But can go to 2 or 4 for short periods.
congrats steve
So when are you organising the next drive Wayne? Any chance it will be before I fly home on the 26th?
Not likely as it's double demerits over easter and heap of cops about. Weekend of the 22nd is possible if the DDs are over.
Oh yeah, I was forgetting about that in view of the fact that I'm driving on my UK licence :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
I Copper pulled me over about a year ago (it was easter weekend) and seemed really pleased with himself for catching me speeding, that was until he discovered that on my visa I can drive on my UK licence indefinitely and therefore can't get demerit points. :D
can we have some pics and videos please:cool:
Be a MAN! do it
u wanna sell, im looking for a turbo s2000 atm, rather not do it myself :P
pm me!
Can't answer for Steve, and I doubt he's interested after spending the last 6 weeks putting it together but you never know.
And I'm not interested in selling mine, but out of interest, what would you expect to pay for a turbo S2000? Would you expect it to command more than an equivalent stock car, or less?
well it all depends on the condition/quality of the conversion. If its something sub-par u would expect lessm value. I suppose the main market for the s2k isnt really a modified scene, stock, relaible and warrenty are big factors i guess.
So you are hoping that Steve took a good condition S2000, spent a fortune turboing it and will now sell it for less than it was worth stock? Doesn't sound particularly likely to me.
Take my car for example. The market for a turbocharged S2000 is pretty small. Most people want originality, warranty etc. I guess if I had to sell it I've have to take a huge loss. But I knew this before I built it. And not being a complete idiot made sure it was a long term investment whose return came in tyre smoke and smiles.
So you might tell me you'll only offer $30K for my car but I'll just laugh and tell you to me it's worth a whole lot more and it ain't for sale. If someone offered me $100K for it I'd consider it, but I'm not waiting by the phone.
I'd imagine that a turbo S would probably sell for 5-10k more than a stock one? Huge losses in selling a modified car :(
if i was in the market to purchase a turbo S id buy a stock S2K and oversee the turbo install from A-B just for that personal sense of ownership and satisfaction.
This has gotten off track again.
Sigh.
To borrow a phrase from AusS2000's letter to Motor Mag:Quote:
Originally Posted by Weq
I'll part with it when they pry my cold dead fingers off the steering wheel"
:)
^^^ nice work
i am waiting for pics and videos ! :P
:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by stevharr
Weq, if you do want to turbo an S2000 let me know and I'll save you lots of time and money.
Listen to this man's advice, he was too late to help me :( Although everything turned out ok in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by AusS2000
I will endeavour to fulfill your request this weekend, although I'm not sure what you'd like to see. Well the car obviously :honda: , but specifically?Quote:
Originally Posted by hondaboy