I'm currently in the same situation as you are
I upgraded my cams to buddyclub spec 3 like you want to hoping it would fix my problems and but i only gained 5 kw
I need to redo my head as it has had a poor job done on it
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I'm currently in the same situation as you are
I upgraded my cams to buddyclub spec 3 like you want to hoping it would fix my problems and but i only gained 5 kw
I need to redo my head as it has had a poor job done on it
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Originally Posted by jdmTYPE R
That’s not really what you were told at all.
You were told that the power band you have is typical of a 4-1 header.
This can be seen here…
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50314
That is typically 4-1 headers produce 2 peaks in the torque curve.
One, small peak low in the rev (2800~3600rpm) range where the long primaries work well. Following this there is a slight (3700~5000rpm), trough in the torque curve followed by the main body of the engine's torque. (top end)
In your final tune, this early peak has been reduced to make the engine smoother to drive. Moving the cams can also affect this at the expense of the main body of torque in the high end of the rev range.
Ditto what Dave said...
Combination is everything.
Mix & match it wrong / Put it together wrong / Have it tuned poorly…
All ends in the same result… You get shit…
In master bo bo's case, sure there may be a couple of issues.
My guess is it’s probably not the intake manifold.
I’d also say probably not the tuner either.
No tuner is "Harry Potter" as sometimes tuners are expected to be.
Just get out the ol magic wand & perform the miracle of polishing a turd.
So.. Mr Master Bo Bo…
Are you happy with your car?
If you’re happy with how it goes, good… leave it at that.
If you are not & you’ve got the time & the money, then shit is shit.
It needs to be pulled apart, inspected & fixed.
The important part is getting it done properly.
Dave or Adrian
can u guys elaborate a little further as to how to chose part combinations.
let say we were gonna build a high comp motor of 12.5CR and we wanted maximum power.
can you give us an example of what would be a good combitnation and a bad combination?
Yeah no worries Jimmeh and can you all make the payments out to Toda Racing Australia/Redline motorsport Developments for our advice.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by jimmeh
Regards Dyno Dave
I shouldve seen that on comn.Quote:
Originally Posted by DynoDave
how about a bad combination then. im just trying to figure out what parts makes or breaks a combination.
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Originally Posted by jimmeh
Short answer... No,
Longer answer…. No, No, No, No, NOOOOoooooooooo! Get lost newbie…
Do you really want to be told the honest truth what really breaks a combination?
You're not going to like it.
Here’s a brief… Covering all aspects.
From parts choice & supply, machining & engine assemble to tuning…
What makes a bad combination?
Hope, Optimism, Inexperience, Ignorance, Blind enthusiasm, undefined budgets, progressive build-up, parts supplied by customer, moving goal posts, internet mechanics, D.I.Y, build-up controlled by customer, Chinese whispers & above all else Bullshit.
What makes a good combination?
Facts, realism, experience, intelligence, Science, actual testing, actual data, back engineering, specific application, specific power target, real mechanics, parts supplied by builder / tuner, build-up controller by builder / tuner, a healthy dose of arrogance & above all else, truth.
I tuned a combination yesterday all OEM ITR/CTR parts and it was built by a very well know shop it made less power than a STD 1800cc Vtec engine,so it shows how easy it is for someone to just buy all these great parts and still build a DONKEY.There is nothing worse from a tuner's point of view as to book a ECU TUNING job in and then spending 90% of the dyno time trying to get these engines to make good figures to keep all you guys happy then the customer rings the engine builder and he says the engine is perfect cant that guy tune.And then this leads to the unhappy customer getting on the internet and then bad mouthing the tuner because he could not get the engine to make power.There are heaps of good combinations going around on the net for your honda builds and even Adrain has posted up some of his idea's with his bang for buck posts,thats all for now I really think you should start another thread about all your built combinations and there results.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmeh
Regards Dyno Dave
I dont think this will even help for the simple fact these guys wont be able to quantify dimensions & clearances properly... because at the end of the day how many people here build their own engines, and further, how many real engine builders disclose these secrets....not many, if any.Quote:
Originally Posted by DynoDave
this was all i was after , a little insight thats all.Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
thanks
Adrian and Dave, haha..this is funny...hahaha...funny but the truth...
But i guess people learn from their mistake...
what a freaky type R motor ;););)Quote:
Originally Posted by DynoDave
Yes tuning Monday/Tuesday next week in Brisbane.Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootbonzai
Regards Dyno Dave
this thread is insightful and funny... in a f*d up kinda way.
i neva knew how much of an angry little man toda was!
j/k dude
this comment got my attention:
IMO, (and this is not an attack on toda or anyone in particular), wether they're good or not, any professional that can't guarantee their work is not worth my money. and i dont just mean in the car industry... ANY professional!Quote:
Originally Posted by TODA AU
i beleive that if u cant guarantee the work u do, u shouldnt be in that profession. people should be able to feel comfortable that they are getting the service they have paid for.
anyhoo, master_bo_bo, keep us posted with how things go :)
I think your missing the context of the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by kraiye
I am certain u will find he would guarantee all his own work,but it would be hard to try & guarantee the tuning of a bad build by others though,which is fair enough.
correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by CRXer
everyone always wants to hang the tuner. if the car makes power then we praise the tuner and if it doesnt make power then u blame the tuner.
speak to the ppl in the know. you will learn way more compared to reading all the bu ll shi t on the internet.
i'm faster along the strip than a dc2r "worked" and "tuned" also by a very well known shop :pQuote:
Originally Posted by DynoDave
why? cos my head is worked by the man right here..
and did i mention that im running vtir cams AND a stock ecu in my dc2r .. until my parts come in :D
don't trust everything u read from internet-professionals guys .. the only pro here in my eyes is d-dave..
crazy power from a vtec none turbo