Best 1.6l engine?

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29-10-2007, 09:21 AM
dsp26

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Originally Posted by 90LAN

too bad u would never find one lol

you can theres at least 3 in Australia already of the N1 variant, they are already approved for SEVS import in the form a of a 2 door N15 Pulsar VZR.

Also they have a more linear powerband compared to vtec as the intake cam vvl kicks in thent he exhaust cam... TOO BAD theres little to no aftermarket support for them due to Honda monopoly.. and TOO BAD theres little market for them... i would have gotten one, just took too long to get the sevs, and for $14k landed and rego'ed i would have gotten it over an EK :p

But for that price range, the AE111 Levin BZR is a better buy anyway with excellent handling, power, lsd from factory.... but then again i'm more of a coupe than a hatch fan
29-10-2007, 10:49 AM
90LAN

these motors only came in "The 1.6 L (1596 cc) SR16VE has Nissan's Neo VVL variable valve timing with lift control. It produces 175 PS (129 kW) @7800 rpm and 119 ft.lbf (161 Nm) @7200 rpm." stock form

but the 200hp one is limited-production (1000 produced Nissan Pulsar VZ-R N1, produced from 1997 to 1998.)
These cars were tuned by Autech Japan.

so techically they are not stock from the factory compared to say a b16b ek9
just my comparisons ..........still a very good motor
29-10-2007, 11:09 AM
aaronng

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90LAN

these motors only came in "The 1.6 L (1596 cc) SR16VE has Nissan's Neo VVL variable valve timing with lift control. It produces 175 PS (129 kW) @7800 rpm and 119 ft.lbf (161 Nm) @7200 rpm." stock form

but the 200hp one is limited-production (1000 produced Nissan Pulsar VZ-R N1, produced from 1997 to 1998.)
These cars were tuned by Autech Japan.

so techically they are not stock from the factory compared to say a b16b ek9
just my comparisons ..........still a very good motor

B16B's were also tuned, just by Honda. :)
29-10-2007, 11:56 AM
dsp26

N1s are produced by Nissan. Autech variants have a 180hp SR20DE.
SR16VE - 173hp @ 7800rpm / 119lb torque @ 7200rpm
SR16VE N1 - 197hp @ 7800rpm / 134lb torque @ 7600rpm
SR20DE (Autech) - 180hp @ 6800rpm / 141lb torque @5600

I'm loving Honda's right now, but the b16 really is overrated... despite my plans for a full build i don't think i will be happy with it due to the lack of torque, but then again i drive a 2 seater... hopefully my light fly gives me back much needed bottom end response

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90LAN

these motors only came in "The 1.6 L (1596 cc) SR16VE has Nissan's Neo VVL variable valve timing with lift control. It produces 175 PS (129 kW) @7800 rpm and 119 ft.lbf (161 Nm) @7200 rpm." stock form

but the 200hp one is limited-production (1000 produced Nissan Pulsar VZ-R N1, produced from 1997 to 1998.)
These cars were tuned by Autech Japan.

so techically they are not stock from the factory compared to say a b16b ek9
just my comparisons ..........still a very good motor
29-10-2007, 12:02 PM
bennjamin

i dont see why peak power means so much ? EVEN more so on the smaller capacity , the less it means lol. Ever heard of useable torque ?
29-10-2007, 12:05 PM
dsp26

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Originally Posted by bennjamin

i dont see why peak power means so much ? EVEN more so on the smaller capacity , the less it means lol. Ever heard of useable torque ?

yeah i agree... the term "best" is just a bit subjective just like "performance" can be attributed to power,handling,economy.

***EDIT***
but now i think about, is there any point in aiming to maximise torque on 1.6l donks? look at the 2 main ones, B16 & 4age20v... stroke vs bore ratio is designed for them to rev reliably to make the power.... gaining torque seems a waste to me... maybe not on B18c and upwards...

***EDIT Again***
speaking of flywheels... get my PM Ben? :D
29-10-2007, 12:10 PM
bennjamin

well the fact is you cant gain low/mod range torque on a 1.6. Thats why they gain power with revs. Works well on lighter cars.
You dont "feel" peak power in a 1.6 compared to a 1.8 or 2.0 or whatever - sorry guys im knocking this conversation dont mind me lol.

IMO the best 1.6 out there ever is the B16a from 88 to 00. Same thing and it works :)
29-10-2007, 09:02 PM
d15z1SUX

i don't think theres much competition to the b16a/b if you look at the amount of aftermarket support available and the potential it has as a 1.6L motor. sure there are other good 1.6L motors but i think the b16a/b tops them all because this.
29-10-2007, 09:18 PM
VT1-R

b16a/b both the best.. 4get bout the toyota engine.. jus compare the no. of ppl driving a b16 with the ones driving the 4AG 20valve.. the ratio is like 100:1.. haha..

the best 1.6l engine is without a shadow of a doubt.. the B16 family of Honda.. and also i drive a b16a :)
29-10-2007, 09:31 PM
aaronng

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Originally Posted by VT1-R

b16a/b both the best.. 4get bout the toyota engine.. jus compare the no. of ppl driving a b16 with the ones driving the 4AG 20valve.. the ratio is like 100:1.. haha..

the best 1.6l engine is without a shadow of a doubt.. the B16 family of Honda.. and also i drive a b16a :)

The 4A-GE has one advantage. If your timing belt snaps, your valves don't get mashed.
29-10-2007, 09:59 PM
Spunkymonkey

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Originally Posted by aaronng

The best 1.6L is the one you have in your car at the moment because it is keeping your car moving.

most reliable definitely b16a ;) 6 years and on 275K and still going strong.... we've put 200K on it lol

hard to get that much out of a d series.... kms wise....you push it once you go over 200K...usually motor change rofl....

zc was cool in the day....same as d rofl...over 200K..usually motor change rofl... or chassis rusting or falling apart lol

but depends on the driver....
29-10-2007, 10:11 PM
VT1-R

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Originally Posted by aaronng

The 4A-GE has one advantage. If your timing belt snaps, your valves don't get mashed.

I am sure u wont bet $$$ on that single advantage.. haha.. honda's reliability as stated above is 270 000km and still going strong.. haha..
30-10-2007, 09:43 AM
Joel The Mole

my grandfather has a 4AGE AE92 corolla, its done 275kms and the only thing he has had to replace was the clutch and timing chain. thats reliability. and i found that it was a better engine to drive with than a b16a. felt punchier down low, and i love the sound of it at 7500rpm...
30-10-2007, 11:49 AM
VT1-R

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Originally Posted by Joel The Mole

my grandfather has a 4AGE AE92 corolla, its done 275kms and the only thing he has had to replace was the clutch and timing chain. thats reliability. and i found that it was a better engine to drive with than a b16a. felt punchier down low, and i love the sound of it at 7500rpm...

have u really driven a b16a?
30-10-2007, 12:09 PM
aaronng

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Originally Posted by VT1-R

have u really driven a b16a?

I have. They are pretty comfortable and linear. When in a 1150kg car, it is not fast. I prefer the B18C to be honest.
30-10-2007, 12:21 PM
Joel The Mole

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Originally Posted by VT1-R

have u really driven a b16a?

yes i have, why do you ask??

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