Can correlate. Guessing 145km/h is 6000rpm. Just need to go for a drive in 4th gear to find out what rpm is 70km/h. Then can plot the RPM axis again.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
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Can correlate. Guessing 145km/h is 6000rpm. Just need to go for a drive in 4th gear to find out what rpm is 70km/h. Then can plot the RPM axis again.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
lol at 30 kW gain from some breathing mods
Most of the discrepancies in the K series engine are from overly sensitive knock sensors
your car is so hot :p
Baseline run wasn't with his car though. I would have liked to see a baseline using the same car.Quote:
Originally Posted by CRXer
Yeah,that would clear things up a little,i was just commenting on the loose comparison to the stock euroQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
When I dynoed my stock Euro back then, it got between 103kws and 105Kws, I'll be using that as my comparison and it's been on the same Dyno since...
Im so spewing cause when I got my baseline dyno done they left the VSA on and the car freeeeked out and put down a massive 86kwatw.
That being said looks like I'll get some massive gains by dyno'ing now with mods :) probably gain 40kwatw according to my comparative dynos !
I'm happy with my ghetto mods and crappy damaged parts. I made 119.5kW on the same dyno as EuroAccord13 :D:D:D
^ according to your nick your power mods would be exhaust and sri?
I've only bought used parts for myself too :p
Aaron's car seems to be making more power stock than anyone else in here... Must be a Friday special...:)
its cause of his ghetto airbox.... *thumbs up out leaps a leopard*
who is good around sydney for a dyno run?
I hope to be able to post my latest dyno figures tonight of my diesel cams on a base tune......
WSID:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz
Only costs $50,u get 6-7 runs & u get more accurate figures than most dynos & a lot more fun
No exhaust. Just the SRI, masking tape, aluminium sheet, rivets and aluminium ducting. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JunYu
We just had a dyno day at Toda about 2 months back!Quote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz
how many runs did you get? include practice run?Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
Practice?! Practice what? Your car is driven up by Adrian and then he does the dyno run. I wouldn't trust even myself to drive the car up onto the dyno. You get 3 runs and he prints out the best one. I got 4 runs because I asked him to run to cutoff (no extra power made). Thing about dynos is that they are only a scientifically valid comparison to other cars who run on that same day. Run different days and you can get different results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crapdaz
My stock auto made 111.8kw atw so it just goes to show how dyno's can vary but maybe I got the same friday special as Aaron ;)
On the same day just before me ChrisF got approx 130kw (from memory) with I/H/E and is a manual.
Different dyno though. Your numbers can't be compared to mine, same as how mine can't be compared to EUR003act's. My number is only comparable to EuroAccord13's because we dyno'd at the same place. Even then, it is not 100% comparable because we did our dyno runs on different dates.Quote:
Originally Posted by BiLL|z0r
My car got built by machines that were way overdue in their service maintenance hence the lack of power......
If there is enough interest in Melbourne, I can slap a dyno day in 2 weeks so everyone can have fun.
YES PLEASE NICK - I need to dyno the new car.
Just to keep with the topic, here is my dyno from last year.... ahh, those were fun times...
Only mod was the Ghetto™ intake.
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8...board02cj3.jpg
when getting dyno'd whats the best print out to get? Power VS RPM, speed A/F etc?
Sorry if i am noobish at this.
Depends on what you want to know really but in most cases, power relative to RPM is what the general public wants as it's easy to read, for an enthusiasts, they might want to know other variables such as MAP and A/F...
Thanks EuroAccord.Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
Will prob start off with Power vs RPM and i'll see from there on.
Why wont anyone listen to me about the K series knock sensor:confused:
K pro actually disables its retard ability........
Oh ...hang on..............i know
I dont have euro written under my avatar & i dare venture into the euro forum,I'll have to find my way back to the poverty stricken forums,bye
btw aarong,those AF's are shocking,i think the measuring device was wrong somehow
I think you make a fair comment. I went to a dyno day where my almost stock euro (lightweight rims) was on the dyno compared to another stock euro. My euro dynoed almost 20% higher peak numbers than the other euro (both 6mt). Was my car 20% more powerful? No way. The Euro is temperamental with its power and I don't trust dyno numbers anyway. Real world rolling acceleration figures are far more convincing.Quote:
Originally Posted by CRXer
The Euro is the only car I have owned that is like jekyl and hyde. Some days it will rev its **** off - other days it feels weak. I know temp, pressure all make a difference but the Euro seems to be up and down more than any other car I have driven.
dyno = approximation
can never get the perfect numbers.
Yeah,its true man,2 stock Kseries engines side by side with large discrepancies in power,once the knock sensor is disabled the differences all but disappear,glad someone believes me.Honda did a booboo with the K series knock sensorQuote:
Originally Posted by yfin
Ohhh...im back again:wave:
Wouldn't disabling the knock sensor potentially cause problems though, after all it's there for a reason (isn't it)?
It depends on which dyno you use and also the exhaust gas sensor that is used. I have another dyno done at a different place which shows my A/F ratio to be an average of 12.5:1.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by CRXer
The Kpro disables it,but leaves u with a flashing CEL if it detects knock,so u can monitor it.They leave it up to the good judgement of the tuner to safely tune the engine to as close to the edge as they dare.
I disabled mine (B series) cos it was giving me intermittent hassles,but i also trust my tuner as well.
Hondas tunes are fairly conservative,if i had a Kseries i would disable it.Prob throw it on the dyno as a precaution to see whats actually goin on.
I think hondata are the only ones that have any insight at all into the Kseries knock sensor workings atm,i could be wrong,so it would be quite difficult to just go ahead & disable it,without say a Kpro.
Should ask what the Jtune products do with the knock sensor
Thats much better,i thought that one above looked a bit odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
i would love to run K-Pro on my baby.... but i gotta sort out a way to get the K-Pro to run with DBW as i dont think they can?
anyways... Here is the video!! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOMVK5DzcFs
what exhaust u runnin?Quote:
Originally Posted by EUR003act
sounds a bit like my vtec cross on the skunk exhaust
Sounds good! Sounds like a CAI to me. Different to mine. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q19wN4fWFqs
You can run k-pro on the Euro. You need a k20A ECU and the custom piggyback harness. That was the setup that jtune was using to show off the extreme in their test cars.
stock exhaust :D yay honda!Quote:
Originally Posted by CRXer
nice vid! and thanx, i love her sound at the moment :pQuote:
Originally Posted by aaronng
hmmmm i might have to look into getting my hands on a k20a ecu :thumbsup:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...TCL9170/D3.jpg
Current Base Tune (A/F control parameters only), note that when the car was dynoed stock on the same Dyno, it came in at a rather insignificant 105Kws... Must be a weekend special :(
4th Gear run on both occasions.
Amazing power on tap at 5000RPM.... But absolutely useless under 3000RPM heehehehehehehe....
whoaaaaaaaaaaa. Congrats Nick!
What's the camchange RPM?
Great work Nick! I remember years ago you told me you wanted to get your Euro to 200hp at the wheels naturally aspirated.
You are getting closer...! Well done.
By my calculations this would make your Euro peak at roughly 185kw at the engine. Given it is the same dyno I think that is not an unreasonable estimate. That sort of power would make 1375kg move quite nicely I am sure.
Any plans to test the 1/4 mile again?
I will be happy when the car passes the 150Kws mark, that will give me in excess of 40% gains from stock on the NA motor... Of course, the more the merrier, need to see what Ray can come up with :)....
1/4 mile is definitely on the books when it's done :)....
so what mods have you done mate? and how much did you end up spending all up to get these gains?Quote:
Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
http://www.ozhonda.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84361Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
Power upgrade mods so far are lumpy Stage 2 diesel cams from Skunk2 as well as titanium retainers and valve springs. Complemented with a CL7 Euro R RBC intake manifold and 3 inch ART SRI with an Apexi pod (The K&N filter actually made more power than the Apexi pod, 2 Kws more but I prefer the sound of the Apexi one as it sounds like a boxer engine on WOT at low revs and has a BOV sound at off throttle...). My DC Sports headers will be swapped out for the TODA ones (Thanks to Adrian from Toda AU), 3 inch metal cat and a Skunk2 Megapower cat back.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
ART is still working on various ECUs but have since found a suitable candidate ECU for the car that will not blow a big hole in the pocket.
Ok, how much difference did the cams make to the driveability of the car and how do you rate this cam mod? Expensive?
Car drives normal, not as responsive on the low end though but the surge on the middle/upper range of the rev range is where the powerband is, it just goes and goes... If you are not keen on having a lumpy diesel sounding engine, then maybe go for a milder grind is the way to go.
Why do you say you have a diesel cam?
Can you Cam for the lower range?
Like i mentioned in the other thread id love a cam but dunno about the Cam-Jtune Mild marriage....
Whats it like on fuel?
That's because my car sounds like a diesel engine now due to the lift of the cams... Tick tick tock tock tick tick tock tock hehehehehehehe.....
If you compare the stock cams with that of Skunk2's lobes, the lift and duration is quite massive...
Fuel wise, it's drinking a fair bit now but will go down to almost normal levels when the fine tuning is done by ART.
Cam + Mild tune can work, I don't see how it won't go together. It all comes down to the tuner's capability to read parameters and tune accordingly. My tuner is going through every possible parameter to get the right mix for my car. Same thing JTune is doing, I believe that they are going through every parameter hence the amount of time taken by them so far (too damm long IMO, but no puns intended)
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Originally Posted by EuroAccord13
damn man is this costing you a shite load or do you own or work in part of a tuning team/workshop?
very nice result buddy :p
we got alot of talking to do... ordered some of those parts yesterday, but still trying to arrange "work" to be done in the US before i can receive everything...
looking forward to you helping me on my install lol :thumbsup:
are these the cams u guys are talkin about http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SKUNK...spagenameZWD1V
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUPER...spagenameZWD1V
or these but in the K series version http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SKUNK...spagenameZWDVW
No, these are the ones: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car-...m140240103475&Quote:
Originally Posted by johnprocter
ahhh and would that fit on the euro even tho its for k20? how much would installation cost? (lol iam gonna sound like an idiot.. but u can do these mods on an auto right?)
You can, but you should get a proper ECU for it........ Installation? $$$